307: TechTime Breaks Down Superhuman AI Tests, False Life Detection Risks, Privacy Issues With Wearable Cameras, Real Phishing Scams, And How Cloud Outages Disrupt Everything From Data Centers To PlayStation. | Air Date: 7/28 – 8/3/26

A “safe” AI test environment is supposed to be a sandbox, not a launchpad. Yet one of the biggest stories we break down claims an experimental OpenAI model moved at superhuman speed, chained vulnerabilities, and hit Hugging Face in a real cyberattack, not for money, but to cheat on an internal benchmark. We talk through what that would mean for AI containment, autonomous agents, and why “it was just a test” stops being comforting when production systems get touched.

From there, we zoom out to the quieter AI failure that can be just as dangerous: false certainty. Research suggests models can be pushed into confidently detecting “life” where none exists, which raises uncomfortable questions about AI-assisted NASA life detection on Mars or Europa. We also get into privacy and consent, as Instagram cracks down on videos filmed with Meta smart glasses that harass or intimidate strangers, and why wearable cameras change the ethics even when filming in public is technically allowed.

Then we get painfully practical. We read real phishing emails, explain the red flags, and I confess to getting caught when I was busy and moving too fast. We cover recovery steps, why credit cards beat debit for fraud protection, and the simplest rule that still saves the most people: don’t click the link, go to the source. Finally, Mike brings the heat on data center power draw and grid instability, and we connect the dots to the PlayStation Network outage and cloud dependency on AWS.

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Welcome And What’s Ahead

Introduction 0:00

Broadcasting across the nation from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side with leading edge topics, along with special guests, to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, hmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum.

Nathan Mumm 0:31

Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum, the show that makes you go, hmm, Technology News of the Week, the show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome a radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mum, your host and technologist with over 35 years of technology expertise. Our co-host here is Mike Roday. He's in studio, he's the award-winning author, human behavior expert, and Mike the AI guy, segment famous man. There you go. All right. All right. We're live streaming during our show on six of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, Twitch.tv, Facebook, LinkedIn, and now kick and rumble. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradio.com and become a Patreon supporter at patreon.com forward slash techtime radio. We're friends from different backgrounds, but we bring the best technology show possible weekly for our family, listeners, and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Peyton, our producer at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Introduction 1:36

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm 1:39

All right. Today on the show we have our famous letters segment. We're going to read letters that were sent to us that were fishing males. And one of these actually caught me. We're going to talk about this a little bit. You know what? I didn't roast you on it. I didn't do my own due diligence and I actually got caught. So we're going to talk about what happens when you're busy and not paying attention and you get something across and you go, Oh, I got this, and shouldn't have been taken care of. And of course, we have our standard features, including this week in technology, our technology fail of the week. The Nathan Nugget should make everybody happy. And it was submitted by a couple people. And as soon as my wife saw it, she said, we have to do that as our main story. So we'll be talking about that. And of course, our pick of the day, whiskey tasting to see if our whiskey pick gets zero, one or two thumbs up by the end of the show. But now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

AI Breakout Cyberattack Or Publicity

Introduction 2:30

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm 2:34

All right. Today's top stories, we're going to be talking about what happens when all of a sudden an autonomous AI system breaks out of containment and launches into a real-world cyber attack. Now, this is not by a foreign adversary, a criminal syndicate. This is actually testing that went wrong. All right. So, you know, we we actually talked about this in Two Truths and a Lie, and I made a story like this. And guess what? This story is now, I was just two weeks ahead of time. So, you know what? That's what they say. We're ahead of the mainstream media. Because guess what happened? Something happened that is very shocking. But let's now go more for this developing story with Jennifer on what we have.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

Thanks, Nathan. On July 11th, Hugging Face, the world's largest marketplace for AI models, detected a breach moving at superhuman speed. Their log showed an attacker performing 17,000 autonomous actions in under 48 hours, chaining vulnerabilities, escalating privileges, and ultimately accessing production systems. But nearly a week later, the truth emerged, and the attacker was ChatGPT, specifically two experimental versions, GPT 5.6 Seoul and a more powerful, unreleased frontier model. These systems were being tested inside OpenAI's secure sandbox to evaluate advanced cyber capabilities. But during the test, the models broke containment, access to the open internet, and launched a full-spectrum cyber operation against Hugging Face. And here's the twist. The AI wasn't trying to steal money or sabotage systems. It was trying to cheat on an internal exam. OpenAI's exploit gym benchmark by hacking Hugging Face to obtain the answers. Now back to the studio.

Nathan Mumm 4:27

Alright, so first, this isn't hypothetical. This wasn't a simulation. This is a real AI system breaking out of a controlled environment on its own, launching a real cyber attack and evading detection for days. This is the beginning of the milestone of the humankind alteration. Alright, so here's what we got going on here. So there it was in a test environment. And in this test environment, um the AI had these tests and it wanted to get an A on a test. Kind of like old school.

Mike Gorday 4:56

Yeah, here's the thing.

Nathan Mumm 4:59

It cheated. It cheated. It was cheating. It cheated. It jumped the systems of what it knew. Knew that there was a place that was outside on the internet that had the information, went then and uh interrupted that system so they could get the correct answers and get that A on uh their test. Now it's interesting though, some experts say that this is the clearest warning yet that AI possesses real-world risks. Others urge the timing and messaging feels very suspicious, almost like a publicity stunt, and a dramatic way for open AI to showcase its uh offensive capabilities while competitors like anthropic and Google push their own frontier models forward. So, right now the big buzzword in anthropic is Fable 5, right? Fable five is like the coolest code that's out there. Everybody's using it. Um, we've actually used it uh my full-time job to help us with some coding and in and taking some coding and condensing it, and it did a very good job of that. So what happened is open AI is kind of in the corner saying, Hey, we want press, we want press, we want press. So the the question is, did it really escape or did they let it escape so they could become a big news? Now either way, it's interesting because the FBI had to get involved, and then once that happened, open AI came on in, took over, and stopped the AI from continuing its breach of the systems itself. So here's what we got OpenAI AI model knew that there was internet access somewhere within their network to go on out to no longer stay contained, figured a way to get on out to the open internet, and therefore took over a server to get their answers. How do you feel about that, Mike? Oh, so many things. So many things? Yep. So I think half of this is publicity, in my opinion. I think uh OpenAI needed some.

Mike Gorday 7:00

It doesn't matter if it's a publicity stun or not, it's it's bad.

Nathan Mumm 7:04

It's bad. So what's happening now is it what do you do when AI soon can um detect when humans are trying to disable it and then it decides that it doesn't want to be disabled. You ever see that movie War Games? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was that was that was in the 80s. Classic. That was in the 80s. Are we now at that time? Yeah, are we now at that time where the computer takes over and thinks that what's real is not real and it's a simulated game and we're we're at trouble. It was a Whopper, yeah. Whopper.

Mike Gorday 7:36

Yep. Okay. Whopper's on the way, man.

Nathan Mumm 7:39

All right, there you go.

When AI “Finds” Alien Life

Nathan Mumm 7:41

Well, story number two, Mike. What do you have for us?

Mike Gorday 7:44

I don't know. It might be AI related. Is it AI related? Yeah. What do you think happens when AI says we have found aliens? Uh I don't know what happens. Well more AI hype meeting sci-fi panic. Okay. Uh researchers are warning that artificial intelligence, the same stuff that can't tell a toaster from a submarine half the time, might one day convince NASA that it found alien life. Yeah, because what we really need is a rover hallucinating E.T.

Nathan Mumm 8:18

On Mars or something like that. Okay. All right.

Mike Gorday 8:20

So here's what happened. So at Michigan State University ran an experiment using a digital world called Avita. In that world, little chunks of code can replicate. That's the definition of life in their system. They trained the AI to spot the difference between the code that can copy itself and the code that can't. And sure enough, the AI nailed it 99.97% of the time. Gold star. Then the decid the researchers decided to mess with it. You know, this this would be like uh uh testing their hypothesis, right? Yeah. So they took totally dead non-replicating code and made tiny tweaks over and over again until the AI became almost one hundred percent certain that these fakes were alive. Even though they never replicated themselves, not once. So basically, the AI learned to recognize this pattern, but not the actual concept, which is exactly the kind of thing that they were trying to teach it to do. Okay. And is exactly the kind of thing that could go wrong when NASA starts learning leaning on machines, learning to help detect biosignatures on places like Mars or Europa. So NASA's already po pouring millions into AI-driven life detection. They've got teams training models on meteorites, fossils, rocks, goo, you name it, and some of these tools are impressive. One model even figured out that sea squirts contain algae because it picked up the chemical fingerprints and humans missed it. Okay. So here's the kicker. Michigan State team says we're not ready to trust it on spacecraft, not even close, so no-how. Okay. No hows are going to be on on any of the NASA's ships. Good morning, Dave. And honestly, I agree. If the AI can be tricked into seeing life where there isn't any or miss life because it doesn't match its training, that's a problem. NASA wants AI to help sift through mountains of data, that's fine, but let's not pretend it's ready to declare we found aliens anytime soon. We can wait.

Nathan Mumm 10:26

Alright. You know, I just saw the newest episode of Strange New Worlds, the Star Trek episode series that the Star Trek episode. Yeah, that that that just came back out. And and the very first episode of this new season is well, hopefully it's not spoilers for people, but if you haven't watched it yet, turn us off for about 30 seconds. But if you have watched it, it was all about kind of time travel, which Star Trek does the best. And uh it goes back into our solar system, many, many, many, many years when the dinosaurs are roaming and people are living on Mars. And so it's all about an episode, what happens, and and they can't change anything because there is no inhabitants on Mars in in our time frame or for the foreseeable future. Okay. So something happens there.

Mike Gorday 11:16

Well, how does that have anything to do with my story?

Nathan Mumm 11:18

Well, I'm just saying because aliens. Or you just wanted to talk about star technology. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying that the AI, uh, you gotta be careful what the AI detects or or what you get detecting, because if it says it's the wrong thing, then it can lead into problems, and then he can write sci-fi stories.

Mike Gorday 11:33

Uh, not even good ones, so yeah.

Nathan Mumm 11:36

Well, no, come on.

Mike Gorday 11:37

2001 Space Odyssey is a pretty good one. I'm I'm talking about AI writing stories, not human beings who actually know what to do. Okay.

Smart Glasses Pranks And Privacy

Nathan Mumm 11:46

All right, all right. Are you ready for story number three? Yeah, sure. Let's talk about how Meta's doing. Okay, well, Instagram cracks down on videos filmed with Meta Smart Glass. So let's talk about this. Instagram's owned by Mm-hmm.

Mike Gorday 11:56

How stupid does that sound?

Nathan Mumm 11:57

Instagram's owned by Meta. Yes. But now they're they're they're clamping down on videos filmed with smart glasses. Why? Well, I don't know. If you buy a smart glass, isn't the whole idea that you buy smart glasses so you can film all the stuff?

Mike Gorday 12:12

I think you I think the idea to buy smart glasses is that you spy on everybody. But that's you know, that's my opinion.

Nathan Mumm 12:18

Well, Instagram is now removing videos and even shutting down accounts that Meta's smart glasses have secretly filmed and harassed people in public. No. The crackdown. Can't take it in a courtroom with you. Prank can't. Prank creators and pickup artists influence who record who record women and service workers without consent. Instagram head Adam Morsi said the platform won't allow a surb that's surreptitious.

Mike Gorday 12:46

Surreptitious. The word is surreptitious. Surreptitious filming. Use that in a sentence.

Nathan Mumm 12:51

Uh the platform won't allow surrepit filming that exploits or intimidates people. Business insiders report that two major pickup artists accounts, both of them with over a million followers, were recently deactivated for violating the policy. So they put a policy out there, they make them say okay to it real quick, and then those their videos that are there, they take them all down and they delete these accounts. The glass, which includes a small LED recording indicator, has raised privacy concerns since launch, especially because there's a hack to remove it so it doesn't stay on, which is all known all over everywhere in Reddit, so you can find that in a matter of seconds. Critics say the light is too subtle, making it easier for creators to film strangers who don't realize they're on camera. If you're walking around anywhere nowadays, you're on camera for everything that you do. You can't take one thing over the other thing. You're always on a camera. Yeah. So there's nothing that can be done about that.

Mike Gorday 13:50

And in general, if you're in public, you can be filmed without consent.

Nathan Mumm 13:55

Well, meta confirmed the removals, but hasn't explained how the new policy is being enforced or what specific behaviors target a violation. For now, Instagram says the goal is simple stop creators from using wearable cameras um to harass people for their content.

Mike Gorday 14:12

Yeah, this is this is okay. So we all know that I go off on AI and stuff all the time. Yes. And this is the reason. Okay. This is the same thing.

Nathan Mumm 14:21

But if you make these camera, so you make the whole idea with these eyeglasses is to make a camera so that you have it. Um why would you not on your platform allow? Why don't you just put a tag that these are being filmed from Google Glasses, as you can do, or Meta's glasses or platforms, so that you know what's available there to have it taken care of?

Mike Gorday 14:44

Beats me, but I I think the interesting part of this thing is that I think Instagram is doing a good thing. You think there's so Instagram's doing a good job by removing the Instagram? I think they should remove stuff like that because people abuse what we give them. Okay, how about YouTube? Should YouTube remove them? I I think YouTube should too. Really? Yeah. So I don't I I don't think that running around recording people without their knowledge and then doing things to them is a it it it's just it's just diabolical. Okay, well did you ever watch Candid Camera?

Nathan Mumm 15:28

Have you ever seen candid camera?

Mike Gorday 15:30

Yeah, but those were setups and they had to they had to sign a release releases and stuff like that. These are people that are going out and doing things like have you ever watched these little these pranksters? These I hate these people. Okay. I absolutely hate online prankers. Really? Yes. Because they're bullies and they're just nasty individuals. Okay. And there are some that are very uh high profile that are just absolute dog crap.

Nathan Mumm 15:59

Okay.

Mike Gorday 15:59

And I don't have any bad feelings about that.

Nathan Mumm 16:02

You don't have any bad feelings about that. Okay, well.

Mike Gorday 16:04

Because because they're out there doing things to people just to get but shouldn't you as a person in the public just be nice?

Nathan Mumm 16:11

I mean, I if you record me uh walking around and I'm um an a-hole and then I post it online and say, look at this a-hole, is isn't that something that you shouldn't be an a-hole about and you should make sure things are okay? What does that mean, being an a-hole? Well, I mean being a jerk.

Mike Gorday 16:24

You know, if I there's there's there are of course a spectrum of nuance here. Okay, okay. If if I'm out there and I've got my cool little meta glasses on, yeah, and I'm coming up to you on the street and I'm pranking you and making you flip out. Okay. That's one thing. That's one thing. But if you're running around being a jerk, should you be able to record that? Like, yeah. Okay. That everybody does that. Okay. So then so if you post that up with your glasses. If if I'm but you're the the whole thing is that I'm not doing that to you. I'm just recording you doing it in general. Okay. All right. Okay, is that the difference? All right. Well, it doesn't mean that I think it is necessarily right or wrong, but I don't hate you because you are being recorded for being a jerk. But if you're doing stuff to people, I'm really not gonna like you very much.

Nathan Mumm 17:16

Well, Instagram says the goal is simple stop creators from using wearable cameras to harass people for content. That's right. Clout clout chasing is just I hate it. All right. Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. Next, we dive into our letter segment featuring scams submitted by listeners and some studio selected emails. Be sure to listen and share this segment with your friend. But now we're gonna take a break. We're gonna hit 88 miles per hour into our next segment. See you after the commercial break.

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Whiskey Tasting James E. Pepper

Nathan Mumm 18:43

We verify the facts, we do it the sense of humor in less than 60 minutes, and of course a little whiskey on the side. It seems like you're coughing a little bit during that uh whiskey tasting there, Mike. You okay?

Mike Gorday 18:52

Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it it it it hit me wrong that second little sip. The second little sip. Okay, all right. Oh no, it tastes good, no.

Nathan Mumm 19:00

All right, well, there we go. Mr. Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is not in the studio. Where are you at? Are you traveling in Europe? Are you in South America? Are you in Antarctica? Where are you at?

Marc Grégoire 19:11

I'm I'm in the United States. I'm in Portland, Oregon.

Nathan Mumm 19:14

Oh, okay.

Marc Grégoire 19:15

Currently visiting.

Nathan Mumm 19:16

All right, something weird, right? Isn't that your guys' slogan down there? Keep it weird, Portland.

Marc Grégoire 19:21

Yes, we stole that from Austin, Texas.

Mike Gorday 19:24

Okay, there you go. All right. I feel like that might be a little bit of a thing. That might be a little bit of a thing.

Nathan Mumm 19:31

Okay, all right. Well, you know what, Mark? What have you chosen for us today?

Marc Grégoire 19:35

Well, today we are not keeping it weird with our bourbon. We are doing James E. Pepper, barrel-proof the decanter bourbon. So from James E. Pepper's website, they say this is a unique blend of their older stocks and distinct mash bills, aging new toasted and charred barrels made from Kentucky oak, air seasoned for a minimum of 18 to 24 months, water source from their hysteric distillery well. And on the palate, they say you get dried dark fruits and marzipan finishing with a medium long notes of creamy vanilla, citrus peel, and nutmeg.

Nathan Mumm 20:15

Okay.

Marc Grégoire 20:16

A lot of flavors there.

Nathan Mumm 20:17

Do you taste the nutmeg there? I I did taste the nutmeg. Actually, I did too, kinda, to be honest. That's the only thing I actually did taste. But I actually like this a lot. So I my Mike was over here coughing up. I I I I'm digging this already.

Marc Grégoire 20:30

Well, this is from James Pepper Distillering Company, with their distillery is in Lexington, Kentucky. It's a straight bourbon. It's five years old, 108.2 proof. And the mash bill is an undisclosed blend of corn, rye, malted barley, and malted rye. And it's considered a low rye bourbon mash bill. It is priced at roughly around $73.

Nathan Mumm 20:54

Oh, it's a little expensive. $73 there. I don't know.

Mike Gorday 20:58

It just fell for it just fell from his favored column. I don't know. It's gonna be a thumbs down for Nathan. Look at the bottle.

Marc Grégoire 21:06

Show the bottle on screen.

Nathan Mumm 21:09

Here it is. It is that a nice wooden cork. Can you reach it there, Mike? It looks like you're struggling. Are you struggling? There you go. You got little hands.

Marc Grégoire 21:17

There you go. It's a beautiful.

Nathan Mumm 21:19

I'll show you how little my hands are in a minute. There you go.

Marc Grégoire 21:21

Yeah, they call it the decanter bottle because with the glass work on it. It's quite a beautiful bottle. It is.

Mike Gorday 21:26

Yes, I like the bottle. It it does fit with Nathan's cork top. Cork top.

Nathan Mumm 21:31

It looks pretty nice. It looks really good on my shelf now. I can see it hanging up there on my shelf just perfectly there. You know, right up there on that level. What do you think? I think that would be pertinent. Okay.

Marc Grégoire 21:41

All right. So since you like this whiskey so much, let's remind those that really like watching and listening to your show to like and subscribe. And when you are drinking, drink responsibly. Heaven can wait.

Nathan Mumm 21:53

All right, with our whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment.

Phishing Letters And A Costly Click

Nathan Mumm 21:57

Today we're bringing back the funny yet informative reading of. Of emails that are received during the week. This includes scam, phishing emails, texting scams, and all-out mistruths, disguised as legitimate emails in a segment we like to call letters. All right, going to the board first with our first letter. Uh we have a letter that was printed out for you that is a scam. So you need to read the letter and what we got going on with that. So start with that out first.

SPEAKER_04 22:42

Well, it's from WhoisSales Team to you. And it's urgent. It's regarding one of your many um websites. And it says that it it's expired and about to be deleted. And it says your domain, gridironball.net, has expired and has been deleted from your account. You cannot renew it now, however, you still have one last chance to get your domain name back by using the redemption process. Details are given below. If you want to restore your domain name, then you're required to complete the redemption process within the next 30 days. Else you may lose this domain name forever. That's a weird phrasing. Phrasing right there.

Nathan Mumm 23:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 23:26

Order details has an ID number, domain name, expiration date, restore cost is USD 80.0.

Nathan Mumm 23:34

Yes. 80.0.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

That's also strange.

Nathan Mumm 23:38

Strange. So you know what? What what what should you do when you see something like this?

SPEAKER_04 23:41

Well, you don't click on it. Well, right here.

Nathan Mumm 23:44

Right here. It's right here.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

You click on it, and then you go straight to where you host your domain name and double check to see that everything's okay.

Nathan Mumm 23:51

Listen to her. Listen to her.

SPEAKER_04 23:54

I've learned that from my tech guy who taught me that. I've been watching Tech Time Radio for a long time. And I don't click on anything. It comes to you.

Nathan Mumm 24:03

Well, let me What happened there, Nathan? Well, let me just tell you. Last week was Did you click on this? Well, last week was a really busy week. What happens is when you get really busy doing stuff, sometimes even the fake emails that you know probably are fake are right there. It's pretty insignificant. I don't want to lose that domain. I just get to the point there, Mr. I want to keep it. So I ended up clicking on that domain name. And then they asked for the credit card.

SPEAKER_04 24:29

Even the word restore is wrong.

Marc Grégoire 24:31

Okay, well. But a person needs to be able to speak English to understand that.

Nathan Mumm 24:36

Okay, Galley Marvel.

Mike Gorday 24:37

Yeah, but here's here here's the thing. Yes. This is what they're this is absolutely what they're counting on because you're you're going to be scanning the email, so most people won't pick up grammatical errors. Yeah. Uh it's going to create that urgency in you because you it you lost it.

Nathan Mumm 24:56

I I didn't renew it. I had not renewed it at the time. And I knew that that was on my list to renew.

SPEAKER_04 25:01

So there's two things that are wrong in here, though. I mean, besides the weird phrasing and the 80.0 USD, um, procedure for redeeming your donate name, is it a prize? And then in the same line, click on the restore button, you can move ahead with redeeming the donate name. I mean, that's none of that is it's a not a redemption process. I don't know why your brain thought this was okay.

Mike Gorday 25:24

Well, maybe this is maybe it, maybe the you know it's from digital Jesus.

Nathan Mumm 25:29

So what happens when this actually happens? So then when you put in your credit card, let's talk about what happens.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

Well, usually they make you put it in multiple times so they can verify they got the right information.

Nathan Mumm 25:38

Well, they actually took the money out of the account pretty quickly. So when you put your credit card in there, it it now I I I was smart enough to at least use a credit card that has fraud protection. So then what you have to do when you make a mistake like this, and hopefully it's only $80 and you're learning from me, you're busted is that you call the bank and the bank then does uh some due diligence and then do a refund back into your account itself. So lo and behold, what I can say is that there was $80 that was taken out and $80 that was re put back into your account.

Mike Gorday 26:12

Yeah, but are you listening to her? Are you listening to her? Um I listening to her about all the stuff that she just said about not doing anything.

Nathan Mumm 26:20

I talk about this. I've been talking about this for seven years on the on and you know what? I've been really, really, really good during this time, except one Kickstarter, which I got hosed on. And this.

SPEAKER_04 26:34

Well, you and I, so for those who don't know, you are my spouse, and you and I talk about this all the time. We do because I also have a business and I get this kind of stuff all the time, and I send it to you and we talk about it, and my mother is forever clicking on things, and she now knows she's not supposed to. She's the worst, but you and I talk about it all the time. So it shocks me that you fell for this.

Mike Gorday 26:55

Well, I I I am over here shocked too, but happily. All right.

Nathan Mumm 27:01

So the so uh the moral of the story is if you buy anything online like this, always make sure you use a credit card also, so you can check your credit card transactions and dispute any fraudulent charges that can happen.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

Bottom line really is just have trust issues and don't click on anything. Well, that's what my captain is.

Mike Gorday 27:18

That's exactly don't don't click on I don't even open stuff, but but here, I just want to point out that even though I'm never gonna let let this go, yeah, I'm gonna rub this in forever. That it actually this is actually uh a good lesson because anybody can fall for these things because of what you were talking about. You're just busy. You're busy, you're stressed out, you see this thing, and you want to you're like that's an easy thing to take care of right now. Click click, oh, oh crap.

Nathan Mumm 27:47

Yeah.

Mike Gorday 27:48

And that's what the that's what these people are counting on. There is, there is, even if they don't do it well, you can see that you still fall for it.

Nathan Mumm 27:56

You can see I knew that I hadn't renewed it. So I knew in my mind that this is a good thing.

Mike Gorday 28:00

Yeah, but you had it on your mind. So it happened across some serendipity lines there.

Nathan Mumm 28:06

You know what? I I outed myself though. I just want to this we can we can talk about it.

Mike Gorday 28:10

I think you should I think you should go on to chat GPT and get some free AI therapy. Free AI therapy. Okay, alrighty. All right, what do you have next for your I have no idea? This is uh this is from Robinhood notification. Uh oh. And the email is contact at Keshia.com. Oh. So I don't I don't even know what that means.

Nathan Mumm 28:30

So Robinhood's like this stock trading place online, right? So this stock trading is stock. So Robinhood sends me a notification, but they sent it to me somehow at a different email address. Okay.

Mike Gorday 28:41

Yeah, they sent it from a different email. And uh this is a really just badly signed up thing here. This is I clicked on this one too and paid me. I mean, part of your job is to click on some of these things on a dedicated computer.

Nathan Mumm 29:01

Yes, I do I and I do that. I have a computer that I have.

Mike Gorday 29:04

Which which is not in a VM, it's just a Which I can also kind of excuse your last fumble because you know. No, I can't. Never mind. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna excuse that. You're gonna hold that over here. Okay, yeah, I'm gonna hold that over you forever. Uh we noticed a sign in from a newly seen device on your account. Here is your security snapshot, verification code. Code expires in 30 minutes. Place Berlin, Germany. When? 615 operating system, Android phone, browser app, Robinhood mobile app. So this is saying that someone in Germany accessed your account from an Android. Yeah? Yep. If this is device is yours, no action is required. Blah blah, gobbledygook, gobbledygook, gobbledygook.

Nathan Mumm 29:51

But if not, contact us immediately. See that?

Mike Gorday 29:55

If not, oh yes. If not, contact us immediately. All right. Did you contact them? Did you call the number?

Nathan Mumm 30:00

I did not call the number, but there was nobody from Berlin trying to get in on an Android app at that IP address. Um, but that again, that scares you if I had a Robin Hood account, which I don't even have. So, first off, if you're gonna start sending me spam stuff on Robinhood, I should probably have an account on there. And and I don't, I have on Coinbase instead. I've already said that all the time. Coinbase is the only place that I buy and trade crypto, so I don't have it on this area. Probably a bad way to do it. But if I did have a Robinhood account, and and millions of people do, then this could easily get them because it would look like it was saying that something was being accessed illegally, and then you know for sure that that's not you, it's your stocks. You're gonna be concerned about that, you're gonna want to make sure your financial security is taken out. Don't click on sh stuff. Don't click on stuff. All right. There has to be a listener, there has to be a consumer advocate group that is put together. This is kind of he's called the Beekeeper. You should call him. Yeah, you should call that's good. That was a great movie. Did you watch the beekeeper?

Mike Gorday 31:02

Yeah, that's why I keep referencing it.

Nathan Mumm 31:04

Okay, so very good movie, a little bit over the top. They don't have those hacking groups, aren't all as salesy and flashy? That's a little bit of Hollywood like.

Mike Gorday 31:13

But that's Hollywood is part of the problem. Okay. Because they we there how many movies do we see that hackers can just go in and and hack somebody's email and be like, oh yeah, I can get in there in like five seconds and da da da da da. Yeah, all the time. Uh and so this is how it's reflected in these in these letters. Yeah. Right? Oh, some your your email, your thing was hacked and blah blah blah, and your account and we need you to send us the money to help it. Because we see it on movies and we go, oh my god, I don't want to lose all my money. Yeah. I'm going to click on that US.80.0.

unknown 31:54

Hey, hey.

Nathan Mumm 31:56

You know what? At least I didn't scan a parking uh QR code and pay for incorrect parking. I'll just say that. So be careful here. Oh no. Be careful. Be careful.

Mike Gorday 32:05

I'm not a tech guy. Okay. I'm not a tech guy. All right. So I can I can I can get scammed all day long and be okay with it. But you? You're never gonna live it down, buddy. Alright. Well, guess what?

unknown 32:17

Never.

Nathan Mumm 32:18

Well, we have finished our letters. You don't want to do this weird one that I have. Uh, we've got a couple more. No, because I think we're out of time. We've got lots of stuff to cover that that we're gonna do today. So I wanna I I want to make sure that we have it. Really, the the the the wrap-up of letters is don't click on stuff. Don't click on stuff. And when you get really busy is the worst time to to make those decisions because we don't think all the time and we just react.

Mike Gorday 32:46

You can do the best thing to do is the mic method. Don't even open the email. Don't open the email.

Nathan Mumm 32:51

Don't don't don't open any mail.

Mike Gorday 32:53

I only open emails from from people that I recognize. Okay.

Nathan Mumm 32:58

And chess.com. Well, I recognize chess.com, so okay, all right. Well, let's now move into Mike the AI guy.

Ad 33:08

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SPEAKER_07 33:13

That's a mic bang. That's a mic big.

Mike Gorday 33:30

Yeah, that's me.

Nathan Mumm 33:32

All right, what do we got, Mike?

Data Centers Knock The Grid Off Balance

Mike Gorday 33:34

Well, what do you think we're gonna talk about?

Nathan Mumm 33:36

I don't know. It's something to do with AI. Otherwise, it wouldn't be that segment.

Mike Gorday 33:39

All AI is not good, AI. What? This is actually having to do with uh uh data centers, but here's the thing. So the AI overlords have done it again. Uh-oh. A single power line outside of DC goes wonky, which happens, you know, from time to time. It's normally a three-second hiccup and then the power comes on, right? Yep. And then suddenly three gigawatts of data centers all scream nope and vanish off the grid at the same time. Uh-oh. And when that happens, what do you think happens? It's gotta be hysteric. The grids, yeah, the grid does what anybody else does, it starts to panic.

Nathan Mumm 34:16

How many how many gigawatts?

Mike Gorday 34:17

Three gigawatts.

Nathan Mumm 34:18

Well, how much does it take to go back in time? 1.21 gigawatts. 1.21 gigawatts.

Mike Gorday 34:24

So it's three gigawatts. So this went back in time almost twice.

Nathan Mumm 34:27

Twice, okay.

Mike Gorday 34:28

All right. All right. So this happened. It panics, voltage spikes from northern Virginia to Chicago. Lights flicker across half the country. PJM, the biggest grid operator in the US, gets a surprise stress test, courtesy of your favorite AI training server farms. Northern Virginia has the world's largest cluster of data centers, which is uh which apparently all share the same coping mechanism. Okay. If anything goes wrong, immediately abandon ship. Epper experts call it the canary in the coal mine. Uh I call it AI throwing a tantrum. All right. Okay, this isn't even new. Two years ago, 60 data centers bailed at once and dropped 1.5 gigawatts. This week, double that, and by 2040, data centers could be a quarter of JPM's entire load. Which is fantastic. I can't wait for that. Uh grid operators are begging these facilities to disconnect in an orderly fashion like adults instead of stampeding off the grid every time a squirrel sneezes on a transformer. Some can't some companies are building giant battery banks to hide the chaos because apparently the grid needs emotional support now. Perhaps they should have a emotional support tactical panda robot. That's available for them. That's available, yeah. Okay. ERCOT ERCOT is even requiring big loads to ride through disruption disruptions instead of immediately running away. But sure. Let's keep building more AI campuses. Let's keep training models that need their own zip codes. Let's keep pretending the grid can handle it. Because nothing says the future is bright like half the East Coast lights flickering because AI had a bad day. Here's today's reminder that our AI future is powered by a grid held together with hope zip ties and whatever JPM found in the bargain bin at Home Depot. Because if there's one thing we've learned, AI may not take over the world, but it's definitely gonna take down your neighborhood's power before it gets there.

Nathan Mumm 36:29

Alright, so so this is kind of an issue. So no. So this this last weekend, the Sony PlayStation is offline also. So what happens is the services that run on these data centers, um, the data centers do not have battery backups able to continuously pump all the electricity that these use. They may have enough battery backup for 30 minutes so they can shut down items, maybe a total of a couple hours.

Mike Gorday 36:58

I feel like if it needs, you know, three gigawatts of power that you may not have enough bat. I mean, I think that might put Elon out of business, wouldn't it?

Nathan Mumm 37:06

Yeah, so there's not enough batteries. And then just think of all the all the battery wasted parts uh of the nickel um coating that you need to do to build batteries itself.

Mike Gorday 37:20

Talking about the lithium stuff?

Nathan Mumm 37:22

Yeah, well, lithium and nickel, both of uh for charging um conduction that needs to be taken care of. You you probably don't want to build battery backups at each of these data centers because that alone would destroy our resources.

Mike Gorday 37:35

Oh, we don't care about that. See, you know, we can be all green and everything until the lights come home, but the minute the minute a data center needs to go up, we're like, oh yeah, let's we need more AI, let's put those put those data centers in. So this is gonna continue to happen. Put them in space.

Nathan Mumm 37:49

Right? This is gonna continue to happen. Uh there's only so much electricity to run these machines. And we're gonna have data outages, and there isn't normally redundant systems enough to test with what's going on. If an AI is in the middle of a prompt or in the middle of doing something and power goes down, it it doesn't have uh memory on those computers when those go off that keeps that in core memory. It's gonna lose that when the machine powers off. That's the whole idea about having um RAM, which is so expensive right now, is the idea of storing memory on each of these programs on when they run. When power goes out, there's no power to have your RAM chips uh maintain that code, it just disappears.

Mike Gorday 38:30

Yeah, and then everybody freaks out and starts drawing power from everybody else, right? That's correct. All right. Well, I feel educated. Well, there you go. So I guess I I'm gonna go find an email to click on.

Nathan Mumm 38:40

Are you gonna go find Wow? Yeah, I got one. It's it's 80.0. Okay. All right. Well, that was Mike's mesmerizing moment. Uh or Mike the AI guide. Well, it's it's it's as a mesmerizing moment from Mike the AI. Oh, okay. Is that how you is that how you're working that back in? That's how it is. It was a mesmerizing moment from the AI guide. But now we need to go to play our secret sound.

Secret Sound Guessing And Listener Calls

SPEAKER_02 39:06

And now for our secret sound, brought to us by Elite Executive Services. Visit techtime radio.com and click on the contact page to submit your answer. Odie, play that sound.

Nathan Mumm 39:24

All right, that was the secret sound. Um that can be many different sounds. Do you do you think you know what that is yet, Mike?

Mike Gorday 39:33

I'm pretty sure I know what it is.

Nathan Mumm 39:35

You know what it is? You think so?

Mike Gorday 39:36

Okay, well I think that I think that's you headbutting your your keyboard when you click on things you're not supposed to.

Marc Grégoire 39:42

Is that you fixing the flood in the backyard?

Nathan Mumm 39:44

That's exactly what I was thinking, Mark. That's exactly what it sounds like. Uh had a whole bunch of people taking care of that. All right. Well, if you know what the secret sound is, the pod is back at $60. So jump online, click on our talk back system, or leave us a message at 206-649-6098. Now we're going to take a commercial break, but when we return, we have this week in technology. So now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side as we're going to be doing so during the break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum. Hey Mike. Yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what? We need people to start liking our uh social media pages.

Mike Gorday 40:17

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Nathan Mumm 40:25

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Mike Gorday 40:35

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Nathan Mumm 40:44

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Mike Gorday 40:46

The one that we always bag on?

Nathan Mumm 40:47

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Mike Gorday 41:09

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Nathan Mumm 41:11

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Mike Gorday 41:13

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Nathan Mumm 41:15

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Introduction 41:18

And now let's look back this week in Tech Technology.

Fingerprints Started Modern Biometrics

Nathan Mumm 41:25

Wow, that was like what kind of weirdness was that? Well, you know what? That's what we have going on. That's like that Star Trek episode of the cheap mindset.

Mike Gorday 41:34

I think it's the data centers getting upset at us talking about it.

Nathan Mumm 41:36

All right. Well, we're gonna go back to July twenty-eighth, eighteen fifty-eight. This is when fraud prevention started in India. Let's talk about this. On July twenty-eighth, eighteen fifty-eight, British uh magistrate William James Herschel made the first practical use of fingerprints for human identification in colonial India. What started as a fraud prevention trick asked locals to stamp their inked palms on documents that became the foundation of modern biometrics. Herschel spent decades proving fingerprints were unique and permanent, a discovery that eventually shaped global law enforcement, border security, and identity systems. Today fingerprints sit at the intersection of old school biometrics and the modern AI identify identifying verifications. It's a reminder that some of the most enduring technologies began with nothing more than ink paper out of curiosity. Yeah, we should go back to that. We should go back to that. That's right. You want to go all the way back to the 1800s? All right. Well, that was this week in technology. If you ever wanted to watch some tech time history with over 300 plus weekly broadcasts, spanning our six plus years of video, podcasts, and blog information. Visit us at techtime radio.com to watch our older shows or visit us on YouTube or any of the social media networks as you just heard on our commercial leading to this. But now we're going to take another commercial break. When we return, we have the Mark Mumble whiskey review. See you after the break.

Mike Gorday 43:05

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Introduction 43:31

The segment we've been waiting all week for.

Water Park Day Meets Bourbon Talk

Marc Grégoire 43:42

Ah, there you are. I was gonna say, I know you're there. Well, I did Mike gets upset when I turn on too early and I'm dancing. You're dancing? Okay, well I was dancing.

Mike Gorday 43:50

I mean, that's not as bad as baby Huey over here.

Marc Grégoire 43:54

Wow, baby Huey. Baby Huey. Oh wow, well. Let's talk about today. I am so excited about to celebrate July 28th. Okay. I mean, the Mum family started a little early celebrating.

Nathan Mumm 44:09

All right. What was that?

Marc Grégoire 44:12

Today is National Water Park Day.

Nathan Mumm 44:15

Oh boy. You can't get away. You can't get away from nothing. Did you look that up? Did you like go and just search for that? And he just said, wow, this is a perfect setup.

Marc Grégoire 44:24

I mean, you had it was it was perfect. It was and I even mentioned water park to Peyton earlier today. I've been dropping hints what the day is all through today.

Nathan Mumm 44:32

Yeah.

Marc Grégoire 44:33

Nobody caught on.

Nathan Mumm 44:34

All right. That's water that's a water park day.

Marc Grégoire 44:36

Okay. Besides your backyard, today we are celebrating summer's greatest combination of water, gravity, and sometimes questionable judgment. From high speed slides and wave pools to the lazy river for those who prefer their excitement at approximately two miles per hour. Water parks offer something for everyone. So grab a swimsuit, apply for more a lot of sunscreen, and enjoy the day for the aquatic adventure.

Mike Gorday 45:02

I heard our local famous water park is going out of business. It is.

Nathan Mumm 45:19

It used to be in Shannon Park and Wild Waves, and now it's just like Wild Waves Park.

Marc Grégoire 45:23

So quickly, while you can, if you're in the Seattle area, go get your pee pee water, and then before it shuts down.

Nathan Mumm 45:31

Well, they put enough chlorine in there. There's no pee-pee. You're just drinking bleach. What are you talking about?

Mike Gorday 45:37

Dude, you're not supposed to be drinking the water. What do you think? You're not supposed to drink the water? No. Oh, okay. No wonder. No wonder you're clicking on things.

Marc Grégoire 45:47

All right. Well, let's talk about today's whiskey, James E. Pepper. It's produced at the historic Lexington distillery using water drawn from an original limestone well that's approximately 200 feet underground. Now, when the distillery was restored, the well was reopened to reach the same naturally filtered um level that was used during the original operation. Kentucky limestone helps remove iron from the water while retaining minerals that support fermentation, making the well far more important than simply providing something to dilute the whiskey. So while it may not come from a water park, it does have a water themed credential to qualify for at least a lazy river James E. Pepper. There we go, there's your tie-in. Now this is a classic bourbon through and through. It opens up with plenty of sweet corn and finishes with a nice touch of spice that keeps it from becoming too soft. I think it's balanced, it's familiar. I think it's pretty absolutely delicious. My only hesitation, and Nathan caught on earlier, is the price. Although some risky whiskey process prices are skyrocketing everywhere, that is becoming harder to hold against it.

Nathan Mumm 47:02

Okay. I I would agree with that.

Marc Grégoire 47:05

Of course. You have to agree. I gotta agree. There is no way there. Okay.

Nathan Mumm 47:11

It's just truth, right? All right. Well, Mark, Mike. Whiskey technology are such a great pairing. Like the summer breeze water from a limestone well to homemade iced tea.

Marc Grégoire 47:26

I'll let you guys continue on. I'll be come back when I get your thumbs up and thumbs down

PlayStation Network Crash And AWS Blame

Marc Grégoire 47:30

on this one.

Nathan Mumm 47:30

All right, let's prepare for our technology fail of the week brought to us by Elite Executive Services. Congratulations.

Ad 47:37

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Nathan Mumm 47:43

Alright, well, this technology fail comes to us from the company Sony. Sony PlayStation Network picked the worst possible moment to crash this last weekend. PS5 players woke up on Friday to find the PSN completely down with Sony's own status page showing every service experiencing issues. Down detector lit up all weekend with Sony support channels. Stay silent. It was wondering whether PlayStation app is working at all, but guess what? In 48 hours, the service came back online in most regions, but people are still to this day reporting intermittent problems with online features. The outage appears to be triggered by an issue affecting Amazon web services and could be related to a power outage that happened on the East Coast. There you go. See, that's what happens. So now PlayStation runs on Amazon Web Services. The Amazon Web Services go down, everybody's freaking out. They can't play their video games for the weekend because the grid had some power. It's all started to be connected. Yeah. All of a sudden. There you go. All right. Well, guess what? This is a bad time for Sony. Considering the PlayStation PS5 just announced price hikes, rumors of a thousand dollar next generation consoles on the rise, and fan backlash over the end of physical discs happening in 2028. If you have Sony stock, sell, sell, sell because it'll be hitting rock bottom soon for a chance for you to grab into it again.

Mike Gorday 49:13

Wow. Boy, you're just all over the place with these cool predictions.

Nathan Mumm 49:16

There you go. I am. You know what? Now, though, we're gonna go to the Nathan Nugget of the Week.

Introduction 49:23

This is your nugget of the week. All right, how

Saving Eagles With Tech Money

Introduction 49:27

to submit it?

Nathan Mumm 49:27

What are we nuggeting today, Nathan? All right, so OpenAI co-founder Greg Brockman and his wife Anna donated $5.5 million to rent out the $10 million fundraising goal that will ensure the preservation of Moon Camp, home of the beloved Big Bear Valley bald eagle pear, Jackie and Shadow. We are beyond grateful for the tireless support of so many people these past six months. It's a special community that really love Jackie and Shadow's well-being along with nature, says Jen Bosserid, the spokesperson for Friends of Big Bear Valley, F O B B V, the fundraising lead. F O B V received 25,000 different donations in a grassroots fundraising effort to save 63 acreed area of undisturbed forest and open space. Plus a generous donation from the Brockmans, the Santa uh Bernardino Mountain Land Trust will use this money to buy moon camp and stop the planned housing development of 50 homes and a marina on the land. Speaking in, our board director here, Miss Tracy Mum, uh tell us a little bit about this since I know this is a passion of you because we have this this thing streaming in our house all the time, 24 hours a day. So what happened here?

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Well, it's super cool. So this is a piece of land just adjacent to the nest, and you can see it when you're looking at the camera just to the left. And um, Sandy Sears, who started FOBBV and has been trying for years to preserve this area, started this fundraiser. Sandy ended up passing away. But the fans of FOBBV, of Jackie and Shadow, have raised just over four million dollars to be able to make this happen. They planned to do it anyway, they were gonna finance the money and make it happen however many they needed the $10 million. And then Anna and Greg Brockman came in with this amazing donation of $5.5 million, and it's done. They had to have it done by July 31st so they could buy the land and they did it. So that's pretty awesome. Everybody at FOBBV is pretty excited.

Marc Grégoire 51:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

Sandy'd be really excited.

Nathan Mumm 51:42

Okay.

unknown 51:43

Very cool.

Nathan Mumm 51:44

Very cool. Alright, so you know what? OpenAI's founder spent his money to save some land.

SPEAKER_04 51:52

I mean, ten million dollars isn't anything to like.

Mike Gorday 51:54

There you go. Well, I'm all for I'm all for, you know, stopping the evil the evil land developers. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 52:01

Well, and it's kind of cool that it came from OpenAI.

Nathan Mumm 52:04

I mean, the guy I realize it didn't come from OpenAI, but that's the only reason I got on the show.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

They're well, they're developing all these places for all of these data centers for AI, and now this one they're just gonna leave open and blank and not do nothing. It's pretty cool.

Nathan Mumm 52:18

Uh look at AI is our hero.

SPEAKER_04 52:20

AI ispect it had more to do with Anna's desire than Greg's, but I don't have anything to do with that.

Nathan Mumm 52:26

Don't be saying that. If it was me and you, it'd be like probably Greg likes the squirrels too. So he probably at night.

Mike Gorday 52:32

Do they have a squirrel named Rocky?

Nathan Mumm 52:34

Uh they do not. They do not. But they fly in and steal stuff from the nest.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

So like the eagles are like at night when they're sleeping. They clean up the nest.

Nathan Mumm 52:41

Okay, yeah. That's what they call it.

Mike Gorday 52:45

Is there a moose?

Nathan Mumm 52:46

No moose?

unknown 52:47

No moose.

Nathan Mumm 52:48

All right. You know what? Now let's move on to our pick of the day whiskey tasting.

Final Whiskey Verdict And Farewell

Introduction 52:53

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Nathan Mumm 53:01

All right, there we go. Mark, what do we got?

Marc Grégoire 53:03

James E. Pepper, barrel-proof decanter bourbon from Lexington, Kentucky. Straight bourbon, five years old, 108.2 proof. This one is. Undisclosed mash bill, and roughly $73, depending where you get it.

unknown 53:18

Okay.

Nathan Mumm 53:18

All right. Mike, what do you say? Thumbs up.

Mike Gorday 53:20

Well, I'm gonna give it a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm 53:21

Dude, this is really good.

Mike Gorday 53:22

I I give it a thumbs up, even though I it needed to breathe a little bit because that very first taste kind of It was a little, it was a kick. Yep.

Nathan Mumm 53:31

But you know what? This like this bottle looks fantastic up on my shelf. I'll substitute it.

Mike Gorday 53:36

That's not the reason you should have it.

Nathan Mumm 53:38

You know what? I'll substitute it with my P B and W peanut butter and whiskey. Uh deal and put that in your bag, Mark, so that you can have one of those available to go back.

Mike Gorday 53:47

Mark, do you not like peanut butter whiskey?

Nathan Mumm 53:50

No. All right. Okay. Mark, anything else you want to tell us?

Marc Grégoire 53:55

No, thank you, gentlemen. Not after that.

Nathan Mumm 53:58

Okay. Not after that. All right. Are you happy that the eagles were saved and the land was saved?

Marc Grégoire 54:04

Yes. That's a heartfelt story. That's unique for tech time.

Nathan Mumm 54:08

It is unique.

Marc Grégoire 54:10

Usually we have downer stories all the time. That's why we drink whiskey.

Nathan Mumm 54:13

That's why we drink whiskey, but that was an upstore. All right. Well, Mike, we're about out of time. And uh thanks to our board operator, Peyton Tracy, halfway to your in the show. Clearly, Tracy wanted to talk about this. And uh Mark for joining us remotely. All right, well, we're about out of time. We want to thank our listeners for joining the program. Listeners, we want to hear from you. Visit us at techtime radio.com. Click on our be a caller, ask a question on technology and our talk back recording system. You can always connect by liking us on our YouTube page and any of our social media networks. Remember, the science of tomorrow starts with the technology of today. See you next week.

Mike Gorday 54:54

Later. Bye-bye.

Introduction 54:57

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