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270: TechTime Radio: What do a $500B AI Valuation, Mid Game Ads, and a Driverless Traffic Stop have in Common? They Expose the Gap Between the Infrastructure, Policy, and Psychology That Actually Make Tech Work and Break Trust | Air Date: 10/7 - 10/13/25

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 270

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What do a $500B AI valuation, mid‑match game ads, and a driverless traffic stop have in common? They all expose the gap between shiny innovation and the infrastructure, policy, and psychology that actually make tech work—or break trust.

We open with OpenAI’s eye‑popping valuation and go beneath the headline to the parts no press release glamorizes: data centers, power, cooling, fiber, and GPU supply. With partners like Nvidia, Oracle, and Microsoft shaping access, we unpack why AI will likely consolidate around a few players and what that means for startups burning cash on compute. From there, we challenge the classic “my phone is listening” myth. Instagram’s chief says no, and we explain why your ads still feel psychic: cross‑app tracking, pixels, cookies, SDKs, and identity graphs that stitch your behavior together better than a hot mic ever could.

Snapchat’s move to charge for Memories over 5 GB hits a nerve. We talk about the end of “free forever,” how to export your data cleanly, and why local storage and physical media are making a quiet comeback as people hedge against shifting terms. Then the wild card: a free, ad‑supported tier for cloud gaming. We explore how interrupting live sessions could nudge upgrades—or kill trust—and what smart implementations might look like if Microsoft wants to keep gamers loyal. A quick detour into our favorite segment, Two Truths and a Lie, proves once again that “too dumb to be real” is no longer a safe bet.

The Tech Fail may be the most telling: California police stop a Waymo for an illegal U‑turn and have no one to ticket. It’s funny, but it’s a governance problem—who’s liable when there’s no driver? We argue for clear frameworks before edge cases become norms. And for sports fans, we dig into automated ball‑strike challenges moving toward the majors, weighing precision against the theater of human officiating, and drawing parallels to football’s quiet shift away from chains to computer measurement.

Along the way, Mike breaks down how modern marketing leans on cognitive biases more than secret microphones, and we wrap with a blind bourbon upset that proves labels fool palates as easily as hype fools markets. If you care about AI, privacy, gaming, autonomy, or the future of sports tech, this one’s packed.

If you enjoyed this, follow and subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review—what shift are you most ready for: fewer AI players, fewer ads, or fewer bad calls?

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Welcome:

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Nathan:

Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum, the show that makes you go, hmm, Technology News of the Week, the show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mum, your host and technologist with over 35 years of technology expertise. Our co-host Mike Rodays in studio, he's the award-winning author and our human behavior expert. Now we're live streaming on show on five of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitch.tv, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Kick. So absolutely come in and joy us there and watch our live streams and provide feedback during our streams. And we'll talk with you online. Now we encourage you to visit us at techtimeradio.com, become a Patreon supporter at patreon.com forward slash techtime radio. And we are friends from a different background, but we bring the best technology show possible weekly for our family, friends, and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odie, our producer at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Announcement:

Now on today's show.

Nathan:

All right. Everything's a new here, Mike. Everything's a new and fresh. Guess what? Our website is being re-indeveloped. So if you love the old look and feel, you need to go out to it right now and check it out. Otherwise, it will be gone with a new, more engaging interface. Are you excited about that? Sure. All right. Okay. All right. On the show, our main feature today is Two Truths and a Lie, the ultimate game show that is taking over the nation and is the number one rated game show in the world on techtime radio.com. Okay. All right. We'll have Odie and Mike and Mark pick our correct story, or we'll Nathan slip it in and become the winner. In addition, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail of the week, a possible Nathan Nuggett, and of course, our pick of the day whiskey tastings. It looks like we have Mark back in studio with two different uh whiskies to taste to continue on our special advent calendar. I just got the 2025 version, so we got another whole year of tastings to do. But now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Announcement:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan:

All right. OpenAI is now worth $500 billion. B-I L-L-I-O-N. You like that? Yeah, yeah. You uh you can spell. I can spell. All right. Well, guess what? We're gonna listen to what Lisa Walker has to talk about this most valuable startup company.

Announcement:

OpenAI could now be the world's most valuable startup, ahead of Elon Musk's SpaceX and TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, after a secondary stock sale designed to retain employees. Current and former OpenAI employees sold $6.6 billion in shares to a group of investors, pushing the privately held artificial intelligence company's valuation to $500 billion. The investors buying the shares included Thrive Capital, Dragoneer Investment Group, and T Row Price, along with Japanese tech giant Softbank, and the United Arab Emirates' MGX. Nathan, what do you think about Sam Altman and his company now? Back to you guys in the studio.

Nathan:

Oh wow, I got Lisa coming after me, too.

Mike:

Okay, Lisa. Well, that's your bromance.

Nathan:

I know. All right. I do like the overall valuation that reflects the high expectation in the future of AI technologies. But my concern is what happens if this AI bubble crashes? You know, we we kind of been talking about this a little bit. I I'm going to kind of predict, and I don't know if it's really a prediction or such, but I do believe we're going to have an AI bubble that's going to happen. And you're going to have two or three of the large companies succeed in this bubble, and all these little startups with all these billions of dollars and investors are going to lose everything they have because I don't think the world's able to handle 10 or 15 AI companies. I think we're going to go down to our normal standard of two or three major companies that play in the space and everybody else that kind of just dabbles.

Mike:

In order to run these things, you have to have m data farms, right? You do. You have to have data farms. And all these little companies, can they have these big data? No, they can't keep up.

Nathan:

So we'll talk about Sam Altman, my buddy. You know, he's he was just in Texas looking and did a tour of a massive data center that's going to be able to run his company's AI systems. So this is a big deal. You have to have the infrastructure to run this. Then you have to have key processor companies like Nvidia or Intel or one of these things to work with. And guess what? It just so happens that uh uh Sam Altman has worked really well with Oracle and Softbank and the chipmaker NVIDIA to make all these specialized AI chips just for his specific data centers. He also has this longtime backing company uh by the name of Microsoft. I don't know if you've ever heard of them. Yeah, they're busy right now. Yeah, they're kind of busy right now.

Mike:

They did something bad and people are upset about it.

Nathan:

We're gonna be talking about that today, too. I think. I do think we're gonna be talking about that. So it's interesting. The San Francisco-based company, OpenAI, is gonna go public. They are trying to retain their top talent, which I think they're gonna do just fine. And there's gonna be billions of dollars poured into research and development to see who can control the AI. Now, speaking of this, guess what movie I watched last night? The Terminator. I did. I watched Terminator 2 last night, and you know what? I watched that, and then I think of AI, and I'm just like, wow, could Hollywood have predicted, and it's gotta be Terminator 2, not the first one. I don't like the first one as much, but Terminator 2. What could they have predicted that AI will take over? I mean, the whole thing is robots take over, and and you have uh Arnold Reddit.

Mike:

I think we're all pretty familiar with the concept of Terminator 2.

Nathan:

I just want to make sure everybody's uh has anybody not watched Odie? Have you watched Terminator 2?

Ody:

No, I haven't, but but I was going to say that this directly references 2001's The Space Odyssey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nathan:

AI is gonna take over, so we'll see. You know what?

Mike:

But there's only room for a few. Now just we're gonna pal never made a mistake. He didn't. It's it's right there in the movie. He he was perfect.

Ody:

And but he still went against the human race.

Mike:

Oh no.

Nathan:

The human race is always bad. If you ever notice the AIs are like, you guys kill each other, you guys are mean to each other.

Mike:

We are we are bad, but that that's the point of this whole thing. So the whole we created AI. The whole the whole yeah, that's right. The point of this whole idea is that we create this thing that destroys us. That destroys us. Yep, right. So that's kind of the reverse. It's kind of the reverse of the whole Garden of Eden thing. It is. There you go.

Nathan:

Well, guess what? ChatGPT is all over this because it's got Etsy and Shopify that now have integrated into ChatGPT. So if you use ChatGPT and you want to buy something, soon you'll be able to get on Etsy and Shopify. And so the AI generating video uh service is now available for everyone. You don't have to be on their premium plans, but you can go and you can create AI videos. Have you seen any of these AI videos? No. Oh, these AI videos are just the it I love.

Ody:

What's your favorite one?

Nathan:

I love well, I love the ones where the dogs have you seen the with dogs running around the snow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh no, have you seen the dogs in the snow?

Ody:

No.

Nathan:

So the dog soar is one of the their videos, they have dogs in the snow that as their deal. And what's amazing is the dog goes from four legs to two instantaneously as he's jumping in the snow. I love AI videos and quite because they're bad. Yes, because they have these airs. And they're noticeable.

Mike:

I know they're noticeable. They're noticeable airs that are one of my one of my favorite ones is uh someone did a a nice little kind of caricature of themselves. Yeah. And you know, they're dressed in like armor and holding a shield, and their sword is a sex toy.

Ody:

Oh.

Mike:

Oh, wow.

Ody:

Okay, that could be on purpose.

Mike:

No, that wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't on purpose. It was the AI interpreting things. Did you it was that a picture of you or something? No, it was uh a nerd, nerd buddy of mine. A nerd buddy, and he sent it out to everybody all happy. Yeah, he was like, Look at what AI just did, and this is cool. And I was everybody started laughing and goes, What's matter? Look at what you're holding in your hand. Oh boy.

Nathan:

All right, well, we'll see what happens when this uh not-for-profit or non-profit decides to be a for-profit. All right. Story number two, Mike. I think you can bring up the the excitement in the level here. Yeah, no, I'm just gonna be complaining about stuff. So you realize you complained about the same company last week. And I went to the week before, and you complained about you know what this company is like right in your suits.

Mike:

So this has got to be Yeah. I mean, I I think technology should be useful, and these are not. Okay. Instagram. Oh, meta again. Oh, and meta again. Yep. Hey, it says uh your company or their company is not using your microphone to listen to you. I guess that's a big thing. Okay. I've thought that. Have you ever thought that's because that's because you uh are talking about something and suddenly it pops up on your phone or your screen or whatever. Yep. This is supposed to be a myth. Okay. Right? And uh Adam Moseri, I guess that's his how you pronounce it, posted on his account Wednesday to dispel that myth that the social networking giant is actively listening to its users surreptitiously. That means secretly for Nathan in order to target them with relevant ads. The idea that Meta would secretly turn on the microphone on users' phones to record their conversations is an age-old conspiracy theory, and one that the company has disputed before. Ironically, Moseri's new myth busting claim comes just as Meta has announced it will soon target ads to users across its social apps using data collected from their interactions with its AI products. I think that's what he says here coming up too, right? Probably. In other words, Meta didn't need to record your conversations because you're going to be giving your information away. That's right. He also points out that sometimes it's not technology alone that's driving the hyperaccurate recommendations. Either just a coincidence or a bit of human psychology at play. Okay, that's BS. Well, are you are you sure?

Nathan:

The psychology, it's just human psychology.

Mike:

No, the coincidence is uh no. There this is Oh yeah. He says you might not add it have actually seen it that ad before you had the conversation and not realized it. He points out we scroll quickly, we scroll by ads quickly, and sometimes you internalize some of that, and that actually affects what you talk about later. That is true. Okay, okay, because we have uh we have an active part of our mind and an inactive well, not no, I'm gonna backtrack on that. We have an awake part of our mind and a and a part of our mind that is always looking for stuff that's our subconscious or unconscious, all right. And he's talking about the unconscious. We pick up on things and then we store it for later. And that's kind of what your dreams are. Uh let's see. Where was I? On Instagram, Moseri says that he's had a number of conversations about meta listening to his users, many of whom can't believe how well the company's ad targeting actually works. By now, most of us have either had the experience ourselves, or at least know somebody who claims that meta must have been secretly recording them, to know that they were likely to click on something. Sometimes you were only thinking about a topic or product and then see the content appear in your feed, making it seem as if Meta is a mind reader. Company has repeatedly disputed these claims, trying to explain that it doesn't have to record your conversations to make its recommendations so successful.

Nathan:

Okay.

Mike:

You know? It's like when you get on Amazon and you order, you know, a toilet seat, yeah, and suddenly they want you to buy more toilet seats. Okay.

Nathan:

So they're just saying that their algorithm is so good that they don't have to be a mind reader. Do you believe that?

Ody:

No. And I thought I thought it's been proven that they track your your like keystrokes. Uh like what you type in.

Nathan:

Well, it depends on what page you're on. It depends on what cookie you've been able to detect.

Ody:

Yeah, I don't believe that they listen to me, but they are definitely tracking what I'm doing on my phone.

Nathan:

Uh and if you're on their platforms and you're typing stuff, I'm sure that they're actively keeping this information.

Mike:

We have this going on on several platforms, but I'm pretty sure they share the information amongst themselves. Yeah. They do. So when I Google drill, Amazon's gonna get it. Oh, yeah. And then Meta's gonna get it. And Meta sells it to Amazon.

Ody:

Yeah, that's too big of a coincidence that it's coming up on Instagram, Facebook, and Amazon.

Nathan:

And now when you start going to AI search engines and putting your stuff in there too, now it's creating this profile of Nathan Mum, and he likes this, this, this, this, this, and this. So then the open AI can then sell that data to somebody at a later time so they can target me.

Mike:

Netflix has been trying to do that for years, and then they just I think they just stopped doing it. I think the recommendations and this just started recommending their their crap.

Nathan:

Yeah, I think that absolutely, I think that's exactly what they did. All right, here we go. Story number three Some Snapchatters will have to pay to keep their thousands of snaps stored on the app. Now, I'm not a big uh Snapchat person. Are you a Snapchat person, Mike? What what is Snapchat? Okay, all right, but you know what? We do have the demographic in our studio here. Are you a snap? Are you a Snapchatter? Oh, Odie, explain to me what is happening with all these Snapchats.

Ody:

So essentially, for the longest time since 2016, yeah, anytime you would take a snap and you wanted to save it, you could save it to your memories. Okay. And that has been something where it's always been like advertised that it has no limit, you don't have to pay for storage, and never had to worry about that. Snapchat is now coming out saying that they are going to start charging for people that have more than five gigabytes worth of memories in their storage.

Nathan:

How much do you worth?

Ody:

I have well, I've been saving since 2016.

Nathan:

So you use this regularly.

Ody:

Yeah, I've used this regularly. And you have a lot of memories. And Google Photos has been charging you for storage. So this has been like the one little thing that's been safe. Free and safe and without worry about it. But now they're gonna start charging what, three dollars a month?

Mike:

Oh no. So what are you gonna do?

Ody:

I'm not gonna do it.

Mike:

You're going to let them delete all of your photos.

Ody:

They are giving a year.

Nathan:

Yeah, uh, they have undisclosed when exactly, but people have already been taking to the masses about this because one trillion, supposedly, Snapchat says they have one trillion memories that are available.

Ody:

Oh, I believe it.

Mike:

Okay. Like see, this is I've I think you talked about this on Thursday. This is what I've been saying. You know, they they get you this they're like drug pushers.

Ody:

Yeah, exactly.

Mike:

They get you hooked on their thing, they get you saving it, they get you saving your memories and all these other things, and then they come around later and be like, pal, hey, and the issue is you have to pay for this now.

Ody:

People are really upset about this because there's also what I think it's called Snapchat Plus and Snapchat Premium.

Nathan:

So they have other tiered services.

Ody:

Yeah, they have other tiered services, but I have not given in the first time.

Nathan:

We should have marketed the pluses. In episode two of tech time, episode two of Tech Time Radio, Mike says on the air, episode two, you know what? Everybody's gonna come out with plus versions and everything's gonna be plus and plus plus. Before it was happening, it's plus plus now. It's plus plus, is what he said.

Mike:

All right. I'm thinking that at some point I'm hoping that all the people around the world are just gonna get tired of this and then create a revolution and destroy all these.

Ody:

So that's what's interesting because my generation, a lot of people don't want to pay for another subscription service. I mean, they're already paying for Google photos and nobody wants to pay for subscription services and prime.

Nathan:

If we're on Prime, I'm on Prime, so you pay for a Prime.

Ody:

And Snapchat, the funny thing right now is it's kind of dying. The what's keeping it there for me is the fact that I have years worth of memories, and it's something where I don't have to think about when I message other people. It's it's very universal. It doesn't matter if you're an Android user or Apple user, you're there.

Nathan:

Okay.

Ody:

Um, but with the fact that they're doing this, people are going to Apple store and giving it one-star reviews and just complaining. I will be deleting this app. There's no chance of me buying the subscription or keeping up with Snapchat afterward. And honestly, I agree.

Nathan:

Okay. Are you gonna delete it? Do you know how to download your stuff?

Ody:

No, but I'm going to tell you I've already looked it up.

Nathan:

Okay, so here we go. For those that haven't looked it up, good job, Odie. What you need to do to you need to download your data from Snapchat. You need to open Snapchat or log into the accounts.snapchat.com. Go to the app setting and look for the my data area. Select what data you want to download by selecting the date range of the data. Then you confirm your email address and you hit submit. Snapchat will then send you an email in the next 24 to 48 hours with a link for your data to be downloaded. Users can view recent exports here, and any data downloaded from the my data will be sent in a zip file. You have four days to download that, and then the file is no longer available, and you'd have to re-ask for it to happen again. So this is very common on Facebook. This is very common on Instagram. Yeah. They give you a link. You're gonna have to go and make sure you download it. It's gonna be categories just by the date range that you put in there, and then you can have your data back.

Ody:

Yeah.

Nathan:

And you know what's gonna happen is people are gonna buy portable storage at home. People have and and that's picking back up again. This is, you know what? This is a real good trend in 1995 that people would buy these big data stores to store their stuff.

Ody:

It's something that we've talked about a lot that eventually people are gonna get sick about subscriptions. Yeah. And it's starting to happen within the last couple of years, especially when it comes to like streaming music and everything that's happening now with like social media and whatnot. But it's hilarious to me that physical media is coming back, like cassette players and vinyl records and just DVDs and Blu-rays are like a hot thing now again. Flash drives are coming back and like those big uh what do you call it? Those external hard drives are coming back.

Nathan:

Yeah, like a lacey drive or uh another external, yeah.

Ody:

Which is comical to me because the whole point of this evolution of data and everything is that we should have it all at our fingertips.

Mike:

Yeah, that's that's being a good thing. And now it's being monetized. Because these these corporations overstepped themselves.

Ody:

Okay, but Snapchat is dying, it's been dying for a while. And the fact that they're willing to pay influencers on Snapchat so much amount of money instead of and now charging their main demographic of people when it's just a time.

Nathan:

Because people are lazy, so they're gonna get 50% of these people to pay that. And even if you get 50% of the people to do it, and let's say you have a hundred thousand people that are there at three bucks a pop, there's three hundred thousand dollars for the first month. It's kind of like postage stamps. Yeah, I I haven't bought a postage stamp in a while.

Mike:

Are they going up? Are they uh so when when uh email came out, postage stamps were you know like what 15, 25 cents?

Nathan:

Well, I think there were 69 to 70 cents, but okay, yeah.

Mike:

So so people stopped using snail mail, yeah, and so they started upping the price of postage stamps. And then people uh now go to the post office to I I don't know. That just popped into my head. Let's just let's just move on.

Nathan:

All right, well, that is our top technology stories of the week. Next, we have a special treat, the game show that's sweeping the nation on techtime radio.com. Uh we call it Two Truce and a Lie. Was our story fake? Is it real? Find out next after this commercial break.

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Nathan:

All right. Welcome back to Tech Time with Nate the Mum. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts, we do it with a sense of humor in less than 60 minutes, and of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, Mark Gregoire whiskey connoisseurs back for our taste testing items. Mark, what have you chosen for us today?

Marc:

Well, today we're doing the 2024 Flavor Advent Calendar. We are in round three, which is the semifinals. This is the first of the two semis. All right. So we're using the Flavor Whiskey Advent Calendar, which had 24 remarkable whiskeys to use for a year-long blind whiskey competition to see which one Nathan and Mike like best. Oh. Come along for the ride once a month while they uncover new tastes and train their senses to become true connoisseurs. Today is the start of round three, our semifinals, as we mentioned, where they will choose the winner to move on to the finals. If they disagree, which I always enjoy, I am the deciding vote. Now, today's blind battle. Both pores come in at 100 proof, but one leans on a single six-year blend while the other layers together older barrels from multiple states, making it a fun test of how different paths at the same strength can taste. It is a perfect reminder that proof alone never tells the whole story, Nathan. Okay. Stay tuned to see which one wins out and advances from this rank.

Mike:

I already know which one I like. You didn't like either one of them.

Nathan:

I I no, I I I I I I you know what? These are not as good as last time that we did the tasting, in my opinion. There's one of these that I like, and there's one of these that I really don't like. So interesting. Did I say did I get both of these thumbs up previously? Or did one of these slip through?

Ody:

You will have to wait till the mumbles.

Nathan:

I think one slipped through. I think there's one in here that I did not like. Which one did you not like today?

Marc:

Uh I'm struggling with it.

Mike:

He's not liking this one. No, no, no. I like that one. Oh, that's one. That's the one. Yeah.

Marc:

He likes one in the Glenn Karen, not in the beer glass. Yeah. Interesting.

Nathan:

All right. Okay. Well, with God.

Marc:

He tends to always like the Glenn Carens. Do I really?

Mike:

Maybe it's just maybe it's just the way I do it. It's your it's your buddy Moser or whatever his name is and talking about his unconscious ad.

Nathan:

Our whiskey tasting completed. Let's move on to our feature segment. Today we have our game show to see if Mark, Mike, and Odie are ready.

Marc:

Nathan is very excited about this. Mike, he didn't even tell everybody to drink responsibly because heaven didn't want to.

Nathan:

No, I'm sorry. Okay, keep on going. That's all right. No, I'm done.

Marc:

I just want to remind our viewers it's very important to drink responsibly out there. Okay. I am very excited. I think I'm going to get you guys on this. All right.

Mike:

All right. This is the game show that's sweeping Nathan's mantle end.

Nathan:

That's all right. All right. Let's start the next segment.

Welcome:

And now we have two truths and a lie.

Nathan:

All right. I got three headlines here. Two of these stories are correct. And one of these stories is incorrect. All right. Listen up.

Mike:

What is going on over here?

Nathan:

Uh, I'm really excited about this because all these stories are crazy. All right. Elon Musk, SpaceX, took money directly from Chinese investors. Company insiders testify. The recent testimony coming from a SpaceX insider doing a court case marks the first time direct Chinese investment in the privately held companies has been disclosed. Well, there's no um area that says they can be prohibited from Chinese ownership. Military contracts, such as investments, are heavily regulated, and this issue is kind of a threat to the U.S. government and significant national security concerns. Buying shares in SpaceX is much more difficult than buying a piece of publicly traded companies like Tesla or Microsoft. SpaceX has control over who can buy stakes in it. And the company's investors fall into different categories. The most rarefied group is the direct investors who actually own SpaceX shares. So SpaceX has been selling their shares to Chinese investors. Number one. Number two, Microsoft adding an ad-supported tier for Xbox Cloud Gaming. Xbox is planning to add a free ad-supported tier to its cloud gaming service, which means you'll be able to stream certain games without paying a high price. With this, though, you'll have to watch ads before and during your games. Just think of this. If you're in the middle of a fighting in an online game, something pumping up. All right. Uh The Verge said, I understand that the free ad-supported version of Xbox Cloud Gaming will be included with the ability to stream some games you own as well as eligible free play days titled. But let's Xbox players try a game over the weekend. You'll also be able to stream Xbox Retro Classics, but your gameplay might be interrupted in the middle of your game for ads. Xbox Cloud Gaming is a key offering from Microsoft and allows gamers to stream certain games with the subscription. The company recently had a price hike with everything pushing their monthly Ultimate Game Pass up 50% to $29.99 per month, almost the same price as like streaming services. That's story number two. Story number three. Tilly Norwood signs with Hollywood Hollywood Studio Arc Like Films. In the days since she made her entrance during the Zurich Film Festival presentation last weekend, Tilly Norwood has been the talk of the town. The AI-generated actress, who's on her way to becoming a household name, despite only appearing in one two-minute comedy sketch, has yet conducted an interview. Rioty said they've been told by the publicist for Particle Sick, the company that created her, Tilly is not available to speak at present time. Tyler Merritt, chief technology officer at Houston-based Unique, which dubs itself as perhaps the only talent agency for AI human influencers, has booked Tilly Norwood with major brands like uh Qatar Airways, which says they are currently creating a backstory for Tilly at the moment. Quitar. That's Qatar. Qatar Airways. Sorry. Quitar Airways. All right. Those are the three stories. So you got Elon Musk, SpaceX, took money from Chinese investors. Tilly Norwood signs with Hollywood Studios, Arc Light Films. And Microsoft is adding ad-supported tier for Xbox Game Cloud. Alright. Odie, I'm gonna go to you first. Which one of those is true and which one of those is lie?

Ody:

I think the Xbox ad support tier is fake.

Nathan:

It's fake. Okay.

Ody:

Though I I want to believe that we're not gonna hire an AI thing. It sounds plausible. Plausible.

Nathan:

Plausible. Okay.

Marc:

Mark, we'll go to you. I'm gonna go with the uh Tilly signing on to a studio is false. Oh, it's false with Arclight Films. Correct.

Nathan:

Do you know what that that studio is? Uh no. Okay. Okay. Alright, okay. And Mr. Gordet, you can either go with uh you can either go with the SpaceX, Tilly Norwood, or Microsoft Game Ads.

Mike:

This is a tough one because I think all of them are plausible. I'm I'm absolutely sure that China could have invested into SpaceX. I'm pretty sure Elon would have allowed that because you know he's Elon. He's Elon. Okay. Of course, the richest man in the world.

Ody:

Wants to get richer, why?

Mike:

Wants to get richer. Wow. Okay. Uh I can I can believe that some studio is gonna hire an AI generated actress. I can believe that. I can almost believe that Microsoft is willing to interrupt your games with ads. Well, that one seems the most plausible to me. Yeah, that that one's hard because that one that one is definitely a stupid thing that that we have seen before, but I'm going to say that it's just a little bit too on the stupid side for Microsoft to make that leap yet. Okay.

Nathan:

Okay. So we have we have two for X. Fox Cloud Gaming, and we got one for Tilly Norwood. Is that your guys' final answers? Sure. Yeah. He's gloating. All right. Here we go. It is truth that Elon Musk has taken directly money from investors. All right. So I couldn't have figured that out. All right. And the other true story Microsoft is adding ad support here to Xbox Cloud.

Marc:

It was such a stupid thing. There's no way Nathan could make that one up.

Mike:

Oh that was that was how I that was my struggle right there.

Nathan:

They are going to allow free streaming for the Xbox Cloud Servers. So think if you're streaming a game and you're in the middle of an online game, and all of a sudden you get like a progressive ad come across your deal and you get shot.

Mike:

Is that just the price of playing for free?

Ody:

That doesn't make sense to me.

Mike:

Well, it actually does when I'm thinking about it, because if that happens, you're going to pay them for non-ad games. Yes, that's exactly correct. It's another one of these, hey, let's screw you up so that you actually pay for the adjust for what we want you to.

Marc:

When the ad comes up, it doesn't just pause the game and freeze it. No.

Nathan:

Well, I I I don't it was it was released uh two days ago, so I don't know exactly how they're planning to do it.

Ody:

See, I was expecting it like in between battles personally.

Nathan:

No, well, they said that it says that it will interrupt gameplay. So there's no way if you're playing like a Call of Duty game and you're streaming it and it's a good thing.

Mike:

No, it's just it's just corporate just like in the bottom.

Ody:

Arm force aggressive. It's a snapshot too.

Nathan:

It's it's like a big protection scam. Has not been assigned by Studio Arc Light Films, which is an indie film house, but they are in the process of finalizing negotiations to purchase Tilly Norwood's AI.

Mike:

So they're all true. Yeah.

Nathan:

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said I said signs with Hollywood. There they are in negotiations.

Mike:

Okay, so here's here's how Nathan plays this game.

Marc:

Nathan takes the takes one thing and changes a word and makes it makes it I I agree with that, Mike, except on this one, we did talk on a production meeting about Tilly and how they she hadn't been signed yet. She still has not been signed. And there's only one study. I even posted that in the chat. Yes.

Mike:

Oh, see, that's where I was at a diff disadvantage because you were listening. Yeah. So if you would have been listening, you would have. No, I wasn't listening. I was playing Microsoft games.

Nathan:

I thought they were pick her up. They now have like three studios battling out for her AI studios. This is well, this is our world.

Mike:

So you can create every day that I live, I I am so disappointed in humanity.

Ody:

So this girl is AI?

Mike:

Yeah, that's an AI generated person, yes.

Nathan:

They use her in commercials all the time in Europe. Big deal. It's like a big deal. She comes on and they have her, they have her do music videos. She hasn't had her own voice yet. This is a good one. So they don't even have a voice or a story for her. Repent. She has not talked or done anything like that. She just comes and smiles, and there'll be background voices that are there. So they're developing a voice for her. Probably. Is it gonna be Scarlet? It's gonna be Scarlett Johansson. They're gonna chill Scarlett Johansson's AI voice. And it'll be perfect. All right. Well that ends. No, you cheated. No, I didn't cheat.

Mike:

Yeah, this this this is this is one of Nathan's uh I think this is one of the best one you've done, Nathan. Thank you very much. This is this is referencing where he was you know slipping something earlier in the in the show. Uh yeah.

Nathan:

That ends our segment for our show. Now let's move on to Mike's mesmerizing moment. I don't know if I could follow that.

Announcement:

Welcome to Mike's mesmerizing moment. What does Mike have to say today?

Nathan:

All right, Mike, do you believe that marketing for large technology companies employs more psychology, or do you think they have special sauce that is tracking us? Kind of back to your story that you have. Special sauce.

Mike:

What is that supposed to be?

Nathan:

Well, I mean, is there like a special algorithm or a special way that they do that, or do you think that they're just using basic human psychology to advertise to us?

Mike:

Okay, marketing and advertising is all about psychology. Okay. So whether or not they have some special sauce, they are taking advantage of human psychology or in order to get you to pay attention to them, to buy stuff from them, manipulate you. Okay. And that is exactly what you're doing when you're uh he he referenced it earlier when you're scrolling ads, you know. He wasn't off the mark there. He's scrolling ads. I don't know how many times I I I stop watching a YouTube video because I don't have YouTube Plus. Yeah.

Nathan:

Any and you see the any see the ads.

Mike:

And and it's interrupted by 50 bajillion ads, and I don't care how you know much I am enjoying the video, I'll uh I'll stop that. But that ad will pop up somewhere else, and I'll be like, where did I see that before? Okay, this is all all of this that companies are doing is taking advantage of your psychology. Okay. It's the same thing that hackers do, it's the same thing that polit politicians do, it's the same thing. So everything that we're doing and seeing and engaging with in social media is all psychology. All of it. All of it. Okay. It just it just some peop some are better at manipulating the data better than others. Okay.

Nathan:

All right. Well, you know what? Thank you, Mike, for that mesmerizing moment. Up next, we have this week in technology, so now it'd be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side as we're gonna be doing so during the break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum. See you in a few minutes. Hey Mike. Yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what? We need people to start liking our uh social media pages.

Mike:

If you like our show, if you really like us, we could use your support on patreon.com. Or is it Patreon? I think it's Patreon. Okay, Patreon. If you really like us, you can say I English guy patreon.com. I I butcher the English language? You know you butcher the English language.

Nathan:

So it's all the time. It's patreon.

Mike:

Patreon.com. If you really like if you really like our show, you can subscribe to patreon.com and help us out. Oh, and you can visit us on that Facebook platform. You know the one that Zuckerberg owns? The one that we always bag on?

Nathan:

Yeah, you can we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio. At Tech Time Radio. You know what? There's a trend here.

Mike:

It seems to be that there's a trend, and that's Tech Time Radio. Or you can even Instagram with us. And that's at Tech Time Radio.

Nathan:

That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok. And it's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike:

Like and subscribe to our social media.

Nathan:

Like us today. We need you to like us.

Mike:

Like us and subscribe. That's it.

Nathan:

That's it. That's that simple.

Announcement:

And now, let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan:

All right, we're going to October 10th, 1980. Pac-Man fever begins. Namco officially transferred the rights to Midway for distribution of the game Pac-Man and Rally X in North America. Well, the exact date that Pac-Man started shipping to arcades in North America is currently unknown. More sources cite October of 1980. The Japanese released this game under the name Pac-Man, which had occurred in May of 1980. However, this date is important because the game's popularity did not take off until it was released in the United States. Pac-Man will become the first true megahit video game in history, sparking Pac-Man fever and catapulting the video game industry into mainstream culture. Now the change for Pac-Man to Pac-Man was a strategic decision by Namco to prevent potential vandalism. The original Japanese name Pac-Man, which was derived from the Japanese words paku, meaning chomp, uh, was later changed by the American distributor because they were concerned that the P could be altered on the arcade machines to look more like an F. It wasn't F. Leading to concern, it was an actuality. Leading to inappropriate offensive contest. Oh man. Inappropriate. Yeah, that was it. All right. That was this week in TechCon. And there was a song that reached almost number one. Pac-Man Fever. Yeah, Pac-Man was a huge deal. They got Pac-Land. I mean, look at here in the studio. What do I have right next to Odie? We have a Pac-Man arcade machine.

Mike:

She has no idea what that is. I think she's played Pac-Man.

Nathan:

Oh, whoa! One finger salute. All right, that was this week in technology. If you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history with over 270 plus weekly broadcast spanning our five plus years of video, podcasts, and blog information. Visit us at online at techtime radio.com. Now we're going to take a commercial break. When we return, we have Mark Mumble Whiskey Review. See you after the break.

Mike:

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Announcement:

The segment we've been waiting all week for.

Marc:

Alright, you come running on in there? Yes. I'm just so excited. It's like this, like a pitcher coming in to save the day. All right, there you go.

Nathan:

Hopefully, you're not a pitcher for the Detroit Tigers.

Mike:

Let's move away, folks. Let's move away. Okay.

Marc:

Well, today, October 7th, what are we celebrating today, gentlemen? Pac-Man Day.

Nathan:

We are celebrating the Institute of Technology's first release of the microprocessor.

Marc:

What are you doing? His brain is farting. Oh, we're doing something more human. Oh, okay. We're celebrating National Forgiveness and Happiness Day. Oh. Oh. Oh, I forgive you. I forgive you. This day is a reminder of the joy and freedom that forgiveness can bring into our lives. While it's tempting to hold grudges or dwell on revenge, Nathan. Studies show that true healing comes from letting go and choosing to forgive. Right, Mike? That's true. I don't care. Hey, hey now. Hey, Odie, forgiveness is not a sign of weakness. It is an act of strength that clears the way for happiness, peace, and personal growth. So today, fill your heart with love. Release old burdens and embrace the art of forgiveness. It just might be the best decision you made. Even if you have to teeth clench it. Teeth clench it? Yeah.

Nathan:

Forgive the Whoa.

Marc:

Okay.

Nathan:

Alright. Continue it on, Mark.

Marc:

Well, just like forgiveness, a good bourbon takes patience and time.

Nathan:

All right.

Marc:

Resting in the barrel until it's ready to be enjoyed. Today we are raising not one but two glasses. One is from Whistle Pig. And one is from Barrel. Both remind us that whether it's whiskey or our own hearts, letting things mature always brings out the best. Oh boy. So let's talk about these two. So we have Nathan's favorite, Whistlepig, Piggyback Bourbon.

Announcement:

I hate whistle pig.

Marc:

Distillation from Vermont, Kentucky, and Indiana. Blend of bourbon six years old, 100 proof. Mash bills undisclosed, $57. And that's in one glass. The other glass is from Barrel Foundation. It is a blend of Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee, and Maryland. A blend of straight bourbons aged five to nine years, 100-proof. 73% corn, 23% rye, and four malted barley at $60.

Ody:

The gears are really turning in Nathan's mind right now.

Mike:

He's trying to figure out which one's which. I am. He wants to not choose whistlepick.

Nathan:

I think I actually changed my taste now that I have it. Because there is one palette that does taste. That's not how it works, buddy. I don't know.

Mike:

That's not how it works. I'm still tasting it. Okay. Wow. Somebody, somebody uh has a has a comment there. Alright. We're waiting for you, Mark.

Marc:

I'm done. I'm just listening to you guys. I'm just trying to figure out if I need to taste the whiskey to be a tiebreaker or if you guys are going to agree on something. You probably should taste the I will we'll taste them. And we have plenty to taste. We ran out of our samples on it. But this is what for the YouTube people. For the YouTube people. Marcus, we're we have barrel bourbon.

Mike:

Oh. He brought he brought the he brought the big bar.

Marc:

And we got the whistle pig. Have you even opened the whistle pig? I have not. We're gonna open it right now if I gotta taste it.

Nathan:

There's no reason to open the whistle pig.

Ody:

No, I want to taste it.

Nathan:

All right. All right. Well, you know what? Thank you, Mark. You're welcome, Nathan. Whiskey and technology are such a great pairing. Like October and postseason baseball.

Mike:

Oh no.

Nathan:

Oh yes. Oh yes. All right. Now let's that was better than pumpkin spice. Okay, there you go. Let's prepare for our technology fail of the week.

Announcement:

Congratulations. You're a failure. Oh, I failed. Did I? Yes. Did I? Yes.

Nathan:

All right. As Mark is on screen camera here tasting stuff. This week our technology fail comes to us from the self-driving car, specifically the company called Waymo.

Mike:

Waymo.

Nathan:

Now, California police pulled over a self-driving Waymo for an illegal U-turn, but they're stuck. They don't know how to issue a ticket. Police in Northern California were understandably perplexed when they pulled over a Waymo taxi after it made an illegal U-turn only to find no driver behind the wheel and therefore no one to ticket. Now the San Bruno Police Department wrote in a now viral week in social media posts that the officers were conducting a DUI operation Saturday morning when the self-driving Waymo made an illegal turn in front of them. Now officers stopped the vehicle but declined to write a ticket as the citation book does not have a box for listen to this robot. So they have they only have individual drivers, share drivers, they do not have a box for robots. So that's right. No drivers, no hands, no clue, reads the post, which was accompanied by photos of an officer peering into the car. The officer contacted Waymo to report what they called a glitch in the post and said they hope the reprogramming will deter more illegal moves. Yeah, not gonna happen. So so let me get this. So if if I say I'm a robot when they pull me over, can I self-identify as a robot?

Mike:

Nathan, you can do a lot of things, but pulling off that one is not one of them. You don't think I can self-identify as a robot?

Nathan:

Say right now I feel like I'm a robot, therefore there is no robot. I'm pretty sure that's not gonna work.

Ody:

That's what happens. What you could do is have like a Tesla, and then at the last second, jump into the front seat, like the passenger seat, and you're like, oh I don't know.

Marc:

Yeah, I'm sure that won't you want on video? Identify your mannequin in the seat next to you as a human. Oh, yeah. You know what?

Mike:

Oh, you're you're your HOV, your HOV dude. Yeah. You see that a lot to wear your seat. You see that a lot here in Seattle where people have mannequins.

Nathan:

You do see that. There is all different types. Now, Waymo is owned by the Google Parent Company Alphabet, and they said that they will look into this and see what they can do.

Mike:

Okay.

Nathan:

So this is just one more, one more So robots are allowed to illegally drive on the roads.

Mike:

But no, they're not illegal, they're not allowed to illegally, they just don't know how to ticket them.

Nathan:

Okay.

Mike:

That's what I don't understand is how anybody who is working in, you know, the police force wouldn't understand that this is a non-manned vehicle.

Ody:

Uh well, you know, maybe they do.

Mike:

There's just nothing they can do about it. Nathan said they were really confused about it. That's what it says in the article. So that's what I'm talking about. They shouldn't be confused. They should just understand that they don't have anywhere to ticket it. Okay. Well, you know what? Now maybe they should just, you know, drive it off the road.

Nathan:

Road? Well, we got soon we will have some in our own local towns ourselves. That's that's I am so excited for you.

Ody:

You are going to be the first. You're gonna be the first. I can't wait for people to just be beaten on the Waymo's. Because they will.

Nathan:

All right, you know. Will they?

Ody:

Yeah, yeah.

Nathan:

Let's move on. Let's move on. Okay, let's move on to our Nathan Nugget.

Welcome:

This is your nugget of the week.

Nathan:

Well, speaking about baseball and robots, guess what we have coming in the Major League Baseball season 2026? We are a new robot team? Yeah, well, you know, a robot team may be really interested in it. Just think of how much less that would cost than the player salaries they currently pay. It could probably feel like that. That's what's gonna happen. Well, robot umpires are gonna debut next season. Oh, robot. Major League Baseball made a joint uh decision with the competition community to vote to approve the automated ball strike ABS challenge system this year, which allows players to and challenge human umpires to ball strike calls via an electronic system run by Hawkeye technology, already widely used in sports such as tennis. Now, this new system will be widely tested in minor leagues this year, is now moving into the Major League Baseball system for 2026, where Major League Baseball teams will be able to challenge two calls per game and get an additional peel and extra innings. Only a pitcher, catcher, or batter can challenge this without input from managers or players in the dugout. Reviews will be shown as digital graphics in an outside outfield video scoreboard. So they're gonna show this on the big screen on uh on the technology. I don't think this is gonna work. Umpires have been declaring pitches in and out of strike zone since the birth of the sports in the 1800s.

Mike:

Yeah, you and you can't kick dirt onto a robot.

Marc:

Is it an actual robot or is it just like camera viewers?

Mike:

Yeah, it's just the camera and stuff. I don't think it I don't think.

Marc:

I was hoping robots running around doing the third base, first base.

Nathan:

Major like baseball in a statement said Tuesday that the two-challenge system will be the middle ground between the so-called robot umpires that could call every ball and strike on the long-standing tradition of human natural error.

Mike:

That doesn't answer his question.

Nathan:

So they are going to have teams in spring training this year, upcoming year, 2026, that will only have robot umpires out there testing the system.

Mike:

I don't think this is gonna work because part of the fun of watching baseball is watching everybody get up in an umpire's face and kick dirt and getting thrown out of the game.

Nathan:

Five years from now, you can't do that with a robot thing. Five years from now, I guarantee you the home plate um uh umpire will be a robot. That is the most subjective. Is it a robot?

Marc:

It'll be vision. It'll be rough. No, it'll be a robot.

Nathan:

Robbie the robot. I I think there will be a robot that will be out there, or the Will Robinson robot. Because there's but the thing that really this is the only thing that I struggle with. Is right now the umpire is who gives the balls away when they get foul balls and they do that. Who is going to replace throwing the ball out to the pitcher or giving it to the catcher to throw to the pitcher?

Marc:

Well, if it's a robot, can't he reach in a little bag and pull out a ball?

Nathan:

Maybe that's what they do. They just have this robot thing. It's gonna be a vending human ball. So you just you just go back there when you're done. I still think they're gonna have human umpires around the baseline.

Ody:

Okay, that was my question.

Nathan:

I still think they'll have human umpires at first baseline, third baseline, in the outfields for major league baseball. But I think they'll think this is just a bad move. All right, well, at least you can hit it with a bat and not feel bad. You swing backwards and you destroy it. What happens when you destroy a robot? If you're a player and you get all mad? Well, I can afford to replace it. Come on. But do you have two robots? No, no, no, no, no, no. Do you have two robots on uh do you have another back?

Mike:

You know, eventually you're gonna have robot pitchers.

Ody:

So I want to know the accuracy of this thing.

Mike:

Well, they're they're really good.

Nathan:

I mean, with the video camera stuff that they have for these tennis matches. Uh well, they don't now, but next year I guarantee it'll get challenged all the time.

Ody:

The robot thing does sound kind of nice in moments where do you guys watch the I don't know what it is, the US Open or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Wimbledon or whatever.

Nathan:

Yeah, we don't care about tennis here. Yeah, tennis, when you see that where the ball hits and it says it hit right here and it's really close.

Ody:

I I'm thinking about that match that Coco Goff had against that European lady where she would she's talking a foreign language.

Mike:

I don't know what she's saying. Who is that person? Keep on going. I I'm with you.

Ody:

Well, she like would take really long time to get back into like the ready stance. Yep. And the umpire never called it, so Coco Goff like went off on the ump.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Ody:

It would be nice for a robot to actually call that.

Nathan:

Yeah.

Ody:

You know, there'd be no bias.

Nathan:

Yeah. I think this is gonna have to be a little bit more. That's the only pro robot that's a good thing. Okay, so it's gonna be working out.

Marc:

Now I understand the sport. NFL.

Nathan:

Now on fourth down, guess what? When they do, they do no longer bring out the chains. They look at a computer monitor to decide on fourth downs if you got it or you didn't get it. No more bringing. Yeah, this whole season. There's nobody bringing the chains out. They're not putting little index cards to see how close they are and tell what they are. They have to say no other option on fourth downs. If it's really close, then they will go to a computer. I like it better. I do too. It's quick, it's easy, and they say, Yep, okay, that's what we got.

Mike:

Yeah, see, with football, I I understand that because you know, it takes so darn long to watch a game on a Sunday. On Sunday, yeah. What are you talking about? Have you ever watched a baseball game? It's just the same amount of time. All right. I I don't like watching any sports on my TV. I I surprises me. I hate TV sports. I I like going to an actual game and watching the actual game. Okay. I'm just gonna be able to do that. And uh, you know, if I go feel that way about baseball games. If I go to a baseball game, I I go to watch, you know, fights and dirt getting kicked on by the umpire and everybody yelling at you ever weaver used to always dis destroy umpires.

Nathan:

Look up Earl Weaver.

Ody:

Earl Weaver?

Nathan:

Yeah, he was a manager for the Orioles back in the 70s. What did he fight?

Mike:

I I can't wait until all this AI stuff comes back and and starts doing exactly what we're doing now and just fighting each other.

Nathan:

Major League Baseball has decided to replace all the robots with real humans, and they'll take the errors that they have just because it's the old time. All right, you know what? What did he just say? We now need to move to the pick of the day.

Welcome:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Mike:

Bubble, bubble, bubble. Bubble, bubble, bubble.

Marc:

What do we got? We got we got your favorite whistle pig. We got we got whistle pig, piggyback bourbon in one glass, and barrel foundation in the other.

Nathan:

All right. Uh this is my pick. This is the pick I'm going with right here. The beer glass.

Marc:

Beer glass. Okay. I'm going with the beer glass.

Mike:

No, it's not. Yeah, it is. And then which one did you pick? Uh, I picked the whistle pig. Oh no. Over the barrel because the barrel. Hold on. Did he say he picked the beer over the glen cup? Beer over the glen cannon.

Ody:

So they're they're in agreement.

Mike:

They're in agreement. They're in agreement.

Ody:

But hold on.

Mike:

But that's only because Nathan changed his mind when he finally found out there was whistlepig, and then he went and chose with the whistle pig. I know this is whistle pig. Do you think that's whistle pig? Yes.

Nathan:

Okay, then I'm going back with this one then.

Mike:

The reason why I didn't chose choose the Glen Claren is because I can taste the alcohol. Oh. So I believe that's what Mark was talking about, it not being quite mature enough. Oh, honest thing.

Nathan:

Okay. Okay.

Marc:

So I'll just so you know, the whistle pig is six years and barrel foundation is five to nine year blend. Ooh. Ooh.

Ody:

Ooh. I will say that.

Marc:

I'm going with this. I'm going with this. All right, we got two for the beer glass. Do not be whistle pig. Oh, now now Odie has been tasting in the background and she knows which one's which. Which one did you actually choose?

Ody:

I liked the barrel.

Marc:

You liked the barrel. Good job.

Ody:

Did not like the whistle pig at all. If anything, I don't know if you guys can see by face.

Marc:

Hand me the bottle. Thank you.

Nathan:

All right. Hand me the other bottle. Whistlepig is nasty, isn't it?

Marc:

It was nasty. No, neither one of them were nasty. All right, let's get to it. So here we go. Here's our two bottles. The winner in the beer that moves on to the finals in a surprising upset. Whistlepig! Shut up. Are you kidding? Are you kidding me? I chose I had it right and I switched my from my one comment because you always choose the Glencaron. This is this is this is how this is how Nathan has developed his palette. This was a Princess Bride moment.

Nathan:

Yeah. Oh man.

Marc:

Whistlepig is nice. I switched him around, but you had a you kept thinking it's nasty. I hated it. I know. I hate it too.

Ody:

The barrel was so nice. And then I yeah.

Mike:

This one doesn't have quite the good finish. Yes, it did. I screwed it. This one was good, but it just didn't. Are you?

Ody:

Okay, but I don't care about Nathan's palette because he's he just we just know Nathan's palette is wherever wherever anybody can influence us. He would have stuck to his bones.

Marc:

He would have chosen is far more marked. I would have moved on barrel. Oh my word.

Ody:

I agree.

Marc:

Nathan I messed up. I think the the whistle pig compared, it has a little bit more green forward in it. I do enjoy it. It is a nice, it's in your face. It's got that right boldness in it. Yeah. That I like. But the barrel's a little bit more smooth, which I generally don't like to use that word, but it's it's more layered. It is. And a little bit more complex. Man, I was so worried I was gonna pick this up.

Mike:

Why are you agreeing with him when you have no idea what he's saying?

Nathan:

Because I agree.

Mike:

No, not you, here. Oh, okay.

Nathan:

Yeah, these are.

Marc:

These are hard to put blind against each other because they they're when you taste them, they're very close.

Nathan:

They are very blind.

Marc:

They affect each other's because the the subtleties of the barrel. So you tasted if you had tasted whistle pig first, I because that's what I and then you did the barrel, I think you would have chosen whistle pig. But I made sure you did the barrel first so you got the layered and the complexity before your palate gets blown up by the whistle pig.

Ody:

Is there peppercorn in the whistle pig? Or pepper?

Marc:

That's crap in it. There's flavors of that.

Ody:

I did not.

Marc:

I did not like whistle pig. You chose it, buddy. And yet it's going to the finals.

Mike:

You are on the air choosing whistle pig, buddy. Don't shake your head. There was no there was no palette differentiation.

Nathan:

I was worried about the tie. And Mr. Ray made me. I did not.

Mike:

I I said nothing. It was all him talking about one of them being whistlepig, and you were like Mike, we're about out of time.

Nathan:

We want to thank our listeners for joining the program. Listeners, we want to hear from you. Visit us at tagtime radio.com. What the heck is that?

Ody:

It sounds like Marge's sister.

Mike:

That's his grumpy man voice. Turn it into a sound like Marge from uh No Marge's sisters. Yeah, the ones that smaller.

Ody:

Yeah, the grouchy. Yeah. There we go.

Nathan:

All right. You can always stay connected by liking us on YouTube. Guess what? It was an honor to be the host of today's show. Each week we are here to decode the technology that shapes our world.

Ody:

I don't really feel like we decoded anything today. I think we did.

Mike:

Other than you have no, like we know we decoded Nathan's palette right here.

Nathan:

We decoded the technology that shapes our world.

Mike:

This is why Nathan is more affected by marketing than most people.

Marc:

Well, that's why there's all the bad whiskey up there with pretty labels and bourbon. Yeah.

Nathan:

At a time. Remember, the science of tomorrow starts with the technology of it today. Later. See us next week. Bye-bye.

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