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267: TechTime Radio: Trump’s Bill Extends Tax-Free Tips to Digital Creators is this Fair or Flawed? Foster City fights goose poop with drones. Mr. Beast’s Phone Plan, and Microsoft–OpenAI IPO Buzz | Air Date: 9/16 - 9/22/25

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 267

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What happens when the digital economy collides with traditional service industry models? This week, we dive deep into President Trump's "One Big, Beautiful Bill Act" that unexpectedly includes digital content creators in tax-free tipping benefits. We debate whether streamers and influencers should receive the same treatment as waitstaff and bartenders, exploring how this could reshape creator economics and potentially lead to more aggressive tip solicitation online.

The tech absurdity meter hits maximum when we examine Foster City, California's $400,000 solution to their goose poop crisis. With 400 pounds of droppings collected daily, the city is deploying drones, dogs, and lasers in what might be the most technologically advanced animal management project ever conceived. Is this innovative problem-solving or taxpayer money gone to the birds?

YouTube megastar Mr. Beast wants to launch his own phone company by 2026, but we identify a fundamental flaw in his business model—half his audience doesn't even pay their own phone bills. We analyze the growing trend of creator-driven businesses and question whether celebrity endorsement translates to sustainable revenue beyond initial hype.

Our "Letters" segment exposes sophisticated scams, including limited-time promotional codes designed to expire before you can use them and fake payment confirmation emails that capitalize on data breaches. Plus, we share breaking news about Microsoft and OpenAI's evolving partnership that could clear the way for an IPO.

Join us for insights, laughs, and our whiskey tasting featuring Four Roses Single Barrel Strength OBSV. Want more tech insights without the political noise? Subscribe, leave a review, and visit techtimeradio.com to connect with our community!

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. The show that makes you go hmm. Technology news of the week. The show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm your host, nathan Mumm. They're our technologists with over 30 years of technology expertise. Our co-host, mike Roday, is in studio and he's the award-winning author and our human behavior expert. Now we're live streaming during our show on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitchtv, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom. Forward slash techtimeradio. We're friends from different backgrounds. What's that? Nothing, what's that? You look at me. What's that?

Mike Gorday:

Your voice went way up high. Whoa, you did something here. Oh, okay, voice went way up high.

Nathan Mumm:

Whoa, you did something here. Oh, okay, all right, we're friends from different backgrounds but we bring the best technology show possible weekly for our friends, family and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odie, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1:

Now on today's show. Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

Today on the show we have our informative yet funny segment letters. We're excited to have that which talks about scams, phishing emails, texting scams and all out mistruths. In addition to that, of course, we have Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail of the week and a Nathan nugget. And, of course, our pick of the day whiskey taste and to see if our selected whiskey pick is zero, one or two thumbs up by the end of the week and a Nathan Nugget and, of course, our pick of the day Whiskey Taste and to see if our selected whiskey pick is zero, one or two thumbs up by the end of the show. But now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

Alright, you ready here. Story number one President Trump's one big, beautiful bill act may have quietly changed the economics of streamers and online creators. Let's go to Lisa Walker for more on this.

Speaker 4:

The US Treasury Department this past week released a list of occupations that customarily and regularly received tips and thus will be eligible for the administration's flagship no tax on tips policy, which will let eligible taxpayers deduct their tipped income. And while the list includes the obvious bartenders, food servers, casino dealers and housekeepers it also includes digital content creators who are eligible, including podcasters, social media influencers and streamers. Could this change these gig side hustles? Only time will tell. Back to you guys in the studio.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, what do you think about this, Mike? So now tips for streamers side hustle people.

Mike Gorday:

I'm thinking all those OnlyFans girls are going to make some bank here. Make some banks. Do they get paid in tips on there? I think that's all they get paid is tips.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's be sure that we have this. The tax deduction is capped at $25,000 per year, so if you make $25,000 in tips, that's a pretty significant income. I mean, I have not waited tables ever in my life. I was the buster in the back of house individual and I worked in a restaurant, that's because.

Mike Gorday:

That's because you don't have the mug for it.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't have the mug for so I I was behind the counter and um, now this begins to phase out after you make 150 000 of income for a single filer or 300 000 for a married joint filer, which I think is pretty much.

Mike Gorday:

I'm pretty sure if you're waiting tables you're not going to get that. So I don't think that really hurts that.

Nathan Mumm:

But now let's talk about influencers and Twitch streamers. Making $300,000 or $150,000 for a single individual probably is right up in that area of what they make with their endorsements, I mean, they make pretty good money.

Mike Gorday:

I don't really agree with that. I don't think digital creators should have that. You don't think so?

Nathan Mumm:

I kind of agree with you. I don't know if that's really the same as a tip. A tip on that is more of like here I'm paying you for your information. I don't consider that a tip for service. So I you know what, mike, I think we agree on that. I was very surprised to hear this. It wouldn't change how we agree or that this happened.

Mike Gorday:

Well both.

Nathan Mumm:

I guess Odie just grabbed the mic.

Mike Gorday:

What's your feeling on this, Odie? She's pensive.

Ody:

I don't think their income is considered a tip, so I think they're exempt from this.

Nathan Mumm:

No, actually. So what they're doing? It's interesting. Platforms are actually developing tips.

Ody:

So if you do a Twitch stream, yeah something like Twitch and something like OnlyFans, where you get a tip on top of that. I understand that.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Ody:

But brand deals exclusively. That can't be considered a tip. Okay so how would this really affect somebody like an influencer, for example?

Mike Gorday:

they're gonna.

Nathan Mumm:

They're gonna start begging for tips yeah they're gonna come up with a third party platform. There's already two platforms that have come on out that you can tie your youtube accounts to and then you can tie other accounts to. That is all tipping. So buy me a coffee. I don't know if you've ever heard of that site, but that's a site where essentially it's a tipping service and you're buying someone a coffee like $5. Tips here, different services, Now people, instead of saying like and subscribe, it's going to be changed Like, subscribe and tip me at blah, blah, blah, blahcom.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I don't really agree with that, you don't?

Nathan Mumm:

like that either. No, I mean, I thought it was really for the working with class single mom that's having to do certain stuff. That was my like. Sex work, no, no, no, no, no, no. Wow, this is the only plans of sex works. Okay, well, mike's uh mindset right now. Okay, um od, I mean, if you're a single mom, you're working at a restaurant and you're getting tipped and you had to pay taxes. Absolutely agree.

Ody:

But it starts at, or you're up to 25K.

Nathan Mumm:

So after you hit 25K you can't write off anything else.

Ody:

Yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

So 25K, that's a lot of tips, that is.

Ody:

It is.

Mike Gorday:

So if I'm making a standard salary at $40,000. I think this is a great idea for for those industries, yes, or restaurants, restaurants wait staff, because cleaning service, especially, especially, in a place where tipping is optional. You know, that's what. That's what the whole tipping industry is all about.

Mike Gorday:

It's it is whether or not you're going to give a tip and how much of a tip you're going to leave, and the fact that, uh, you can adjust a person's salary below I was just at a restaurant on friday the tip came on out, the auto tip things that they fill in there 25, 30 and 35 I think that's too high I was struggling, so I actually said the custom, and so I I.

Nathan Mumm:

The service was very bad. We had to wait almost an hour for our food to come on out and so I no tip well, that should be a no tip right. Well, you don't have to give it. That's exactly what I thought, but we still ended up giving 10%, which in our mind, was nicer than nothing.

Ody:

It's interesting that you say that, because I don't know if it's a generation thing, but it's a general consensus that you give a tip even if it is bad service.

Nathan Mumm:

Really.

Ody:

Yeah, yeah no yeah. I don't know. The way that I've grown up is like, 20% is like the standard. Yeah, and then anything below 15% is like. If it's mediocre, okay, and then anything?

Nathan Mumm:

What if I had to recall?

Ody:

So we got no water. It was really horrible, no water refills.

Nathan Mumm:

So here's our. So we sit on down at Outback Steakhouse. I'm just going to call them out there. You go, so Outback Steakhouse, you go, so outback steakhouse, we sit on down. You're gonna get in trouble, that's okay. Um, so we ask for water. Uh, we get one refill of water never gets refilled again. Okay, so we have our one water did you have another drink as well? No, okay, just ask for water.

Ody:

So we ordered, there's somebody that's gonna drink the water see, yeah, I drink the water I only bring this up because of the water shortage thing that happened a couple like back in 2015 with California, and I remember when we went they told us we don't care about California.

Mike Gorday:

Well, I don't know it was something that really like stuck with me because.

Ody:

I'm not going to ask for water. I'm not expecting water unless I ask for it.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so I asked for water.

Ody:

Because I don't want to waste it.

Nathan Mumm:

And we both drank our stuff down before we got our meal.

Ody:

Would you have drank? This isn't about water anyway stop making it about water.

Mike Gorday:

It's not about water. It's about service. The whole idea behind weight weight tipping is that you get based on your service. It's not. It's not. It has become this sort of idea that you should give a tip anyway. Right, but it's the same thing as not putting boundaries around your children. If you let them misbehave, they will continue to misbehave. If you keep tipping a waitress or a waiter for bad service, they're never going to improve.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, so tell me if this is bad service. So we sit down, we get one water, we wait almost an hour to get the food.

Mike Gorday:

This is not the people's court.

Nathan Mumm:

We don't know. Well, hang on. So we wait an hour for food. We have to ask for the food if it's going to come on out, because we were planning to go to a movie. We ended up getting the food so late that we didn't go to the movie itself.

Ody:

Okay'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna disregard this conversation because one as a as a person, why are you going to dinner before a movie? That's a traditional date.

Nathan Mumm:

Isn't that a date thing?

Ody:

yeah, but I wouldn't go to a nice restaurant with like outback steakhouse considered nice yeah okay, no, I wouldn't consider it like fine dining, but it's a nicer restaurant than, say, mcdonald's it's a date.

Mike Gorday:

it's a nicer restaurant than, say, mcdonald's. It's a date, regardless.

Ody:

Okay, regardless.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Ody:

For somebody like the waitstaff. I think that makes sense. This whole new law thing, I think that's okay.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, but not for streamers. I think the law Not for streamers. Okay, so we all agree. So all three of us agree.

Ody:

You know what. I just don't know how that would work, Like how are we regulated.

Mike Gorday:

It's just, entitlement is what it boils down to so Trump's one big, beautiful bill.

Nathan Mumm:

Why would they include that in there? Does?

Ody:

that benefit the average person.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't know, I don't think so, but they put it in there. So now you're going to have all these actors and streamers that are going to be in there that decide they're going to now ask for tips, and now are going to be in there that decide they're going to now ask for tips and now they're going to get 25k that they don't pay taxes on I.

Mike Gorday:

Just I'm struggling with platforms that have this. I think we need to move on to something that's much more important.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, let's move on to story number two. Mike, please help us from the tipping.

Mike Gorday:

I'm sure that this is going to be something that makes me go hmm, so you were talking about california earlier, foster city. California has a huge problem, a huge huge problem.

Ody:

What is that huge? Oh my god goose poop what? Okay, that's us too what goose poop Okay.

Mike Gorday:

So they scoop up 400 pounds of goose poop per day.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, Okay, that's a lot, and they're trying to.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know. They're trying to figure out how to deal with that, and then they are coming up with strategies a $400,000 pilot project that will include the use of drones, dogs and lasers. Whoa, drive the birds away, or, I don't know, do they have a laser yet?

Nathan Mumm:

that will give you a good christmas dinner I don't know, okay, that really changes the christmas carol then what happens if the laser, the, the bird and all suddenly boom, instant cook I don't know, but.

Mike Gorday:

but it probably goes poof and there's a big thing of feathers, all righty. Anyway, this is a big problem according to these folks, especially dog owners. Yeah, because you know, dogs are trying to eat it. So it's kind of a serious problem for these folks down in foster city. So if you have your dog and they're, going this is such a california problem?

Mike Gorday:

truly, I know see how this is more important than tips and they're using technology, right, okay, yeah there was so much of it in 2022. It prompted a health hazard warning and a plan to kill 100 birds. Oh, that's not going to work in California. No, that was see.

Nathan Mumm:

Christmas dinner right there.

Mike Gorday:

Christmas dinner, maybe early Christmas, but after public pressure, last year foster city approved a non-lethal plan, which, I'm sorry, I you give me these because you know they're funny.

Ody:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

All right, I don't know if I can feel bad for foster city and all the goose poop.

Nathan Mumm:

You can't? Well, they're gonna. So how are they using the technology? I don't know they're gonna have drones.

Mike Gorday:

They're gonna have drones fly down into the, into the groups I guess, they're gonna I don't maybe use lasers. I don't know, maybe geese are like cats they just lead them away with a laser, or something okay which would be kind of funny if you know that works.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know how they're going to use lasers, but uh, the the biggest thing is that they want people to stop feeding the geese, which is why they congregate there. Okay, that makes during the the warm summer months, they they, all of them, fly south for the winter, right? I yeah, they do, they do okay so yeah, so I I'm pretty sure that that's more important so they've hired people to fly these pesky drones right next to these geese.

Nathan Mumm:

So they're gonna have people out there with drones I have. I have to be flying right. Yes, bump into them.

Mike Gorday:

I have to imagine that drones aren't going to last long if they startle a flock of geese, especially a flock that's big enough to leave 400 pounds of poop.

Nathan Mumm:

So you think that after a while that they'll just get used to the drone and say nothing's going to happen to it?

Mike Gorday:

No, I think they're going to figure out that using drones is not a good idea.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay okay, all right.

Mike Gorday:

And then they're're gonna come in and they're gonna hire mercs to come in, mercenaries, mercenaries to come in and get, get them when they're.

Nathan Mumm:

You know it's nighttime okay, whatever they do, they shouldn't be throwing x-lax out there for them to eat where did that come from?

Mike Gorday:

is that is that the nathan? Is that is that the nathan, don't you?

Nathan Mumm:

ever remember the jokes growing up back in school never mind, never mind all right.

Mike Gorday:

Well, yeah, there's a. There's the saying like poop through a goose. Yeah, there you go. Okay, but I don't know how that. I don't know how that never mind.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right, don't.

Ody:

Whatever you do, don't know ai, what did you do in your youth, geez? He lived a whole different life.

Nathan Mumm:

Before the internet, we had to create our own entertainment.

Mike Gorday:

So let me just tell you, we didn't feed X-Lax to geese, did you? Nathan did, did you? I think that's pretty apparent.

Nathan Mumm:

Of course I didn't, I just heard that it's not a good thing to serve All right Well. Okay, it's not a good thing to serve All right Well okay, okay, well, you know speaking of animals maybe you need to go down to Foster City and let them know that strategy. All right, Okay. Well, speaking of animals, let's move on to Mr Beast. He's an animal too, right? I'm not?

Mike Gorday:

I'm not a fan of Mr Beast.

Nathan Mumm:

You're not a fan of Mr Beast. The YouTube star, mr Beast Beast reportedly wants to launch a phone company. Problem is half of his core demographics don't even pay for their own phone bills Now. So this is kind of going on the same trajectory that.

Mike Gorday:

Ryan Reynolds did.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know, I'm sure he's going to be asking for tips immediately, but Jimmy Donaldson, better known as Mr Beast, is reportedly planning to launch his own mobile phone service in 2026. The 27-year-old creator who has amassed over 431 million YouTube subscribers. Can you figure that out? 431 million YouTube subscribers. Are you one of them, mike?

Mike Gorday:

Nope, I don't care much for that guy.

Ody:

I was Not anymore.

Mike Gorday:

Not anymore, why not? Nah, because he's weird, Because he's weird, yeah, or is it because of all the controversies that he stirs up when?

Ody:

he yeah. Well, I liked him at first. I thought of him as like a cool, up-and-coming creator and original, but now it's just I don't know. It just feels like a money grab.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, that's all it is. Yeah Right, what's your age group To God?

Ody:

it's 25 to 30.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so you're in the 25 to 30 age group and guess what His core viewership is 11 to 24.

Ody:

Right.

Nathan Mumm:

So during the time that you were probably a little younger, you thought Mr Beast was really cool.

Ody:

And then, once you started no, because I was pretty Well, I was definitely in that 18 to 24 age group when he was becoming big.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, he's still pretty big.

Mike Gorday:

He's still pretty big. He's still pretty big.

Ody:

You were, you were okay with all the exploitation, yeah, but then, like I don't know, he doesn't come with the, I don't know he's not doing anything new yeah, okay, so he's starting to trying to start a well, yeah

Nathan Mumm:

he's in the new tron movie yeah, he's in the new tron movie. So if you're gonna go tron aries, you're gonna see mr beast I don't know if I'm gonna go.

Ody:

I finally saw an ad for that, by the way.

Nathan Mumm:

I'll just tell you I'm very excited for the movie.

Ody:

How many Tron movies are there?

Mike Gorday:

This would be the third movie Three live, and I think there's an animated one. Yeah, that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

The business model has been proven lucrative to other celebrities. Now President Donald Trump launched his own Trump mobile service earlier this year, offering the $47 plan, a 47, 45, a reference to his status as the 45th president and the 47th president. So why didn't he do $45 and 47 cents? Now he chose $47 and 45 cents Okay, nobody cares and plans to launch his own smartphone company with a $499 gold phone. That is fake, all right, but Mr Beast faces a unique challenge. As we talked about his demographics. Most of it don't align with people actually buying or paying for phones. Most of the people from 11 to 24 are given a secondary phone from their parents and Mr Beast's audience is the middle schooler ages through young university students. While he represents a massive potential customer base, most of the viewers aren't going to make that purchasing decision.

Ody:

Uh well they will be it's interesting that you say that, because I mean the guy came out with, uh, with that like pit stop burger thing that sold out within hours, if not days.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, because kids are constantly like mommy, mommy, mommy.

Ody:

Of course right.

Mike Gorday:

And then there's Lunchable knockoff that turned out to be moldy or something. There was all kinds of stuff going on with that one.

Ody:

Or his candy bars.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah well, mr Beast has considered to be a debacle with his new revenue, beast Games. That did not turn out to be. It turned out as expected? Do we think this new revenue stream? Will make Mr Beast popular and prominent.

Ody:

I think he's odd for doing that.

Mike Gorday:

He's like Elon. I think he's got some of the same traits Elon does. Uh, I don't find him very entertaining.

Nathan Mumm:

You know what? As a host for the Beast Game show that I watched, I did not find him as a very entertaining host. His hosting was actually.

Mike Gorday:

I thought poor. You know how he started his rise to fame was by giving away money.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, giving away money for his events that he did. He had people compete for certain stuff. He gave away money.

Mike Gorday:

So he takes his money and then he makes people compete for it.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, the money that he would have made from X, y and Z.

Mike Gorday:

That's pretty exploitative.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

And manipulative.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. Next we dive into our letter segment. Yeah, what's?

Mike Gorday:

that tip mr beast. Maybe mr beast can solve the goose poop problem there you go, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Next we dive into our letter segment featuring scams submitted by listeners and other studios, selected emails. Be sure to listen as we share in this segment and get a friend to listen in to help protect them from scams. We're going to hit this after the commercial break. See you then.

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Nathan Mumm:

Oh, you all right there. Mike Coughing up a lung there. Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects Without any political agenda. We verify the facts and deal with the sense of humor in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is away from the studio.

Mike Gorday:

What is with the squeaky high voice thing? Well, well.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. So, Odie is in studio picking up his slack all right, you like that weird way to, or picking up the slack. Anyway, all right, picking up his leg, there you go. What has mark?

Mike Gorday:

chosen for us to try today. Make make sure you make your voice go real high.

Ody:

So I don't have that problem anyway. Um, today we're drinking the four roses single Single Barrel. Barrel Strength OBSV, ballard Cut, volume 2. From the Four Roses website OBSV is the most rounded and versatile of our recipes, at all ages. The extra rye of the bee mash bill creates a dominant flavor with this recipe. The bright and slightly spicy character is apparent at any age and the delicate fruit flavors created by the V yeast strain round out the complex palette with flavors of apricot, pear and plum. As this recipe ages in the barrel, the typical caramel and vanilla flavors develop and the rich flavor of cocoa is rich, bright and complex, with a long and mellow finish. I had that. I did not taste anything of what they're talking about, but that's me. Uh, the company is the curing or current, I'm not sure. Do you either of you know?

Ody:

I think it's current current brewing company uh distillation is four roses distillery in lawrenceburg, kentucky, classified as a straight bourbon aged nine years. Aged nine years and four months, 62 abv or 125.4 proof. Mash bill is 60 corn, 35 rye and five percent malted barley and goes for a hundred dollars at the 750 milliliters all right, and and it got your voice going a little high there too- yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

It's got an interesting taste. I know that I have liked Four Roses before.

Mike Gorday:

How do you know you've liked?

Nathan Mumm:

Four Roses? Well, because I have, I believe, Because you pre-tasted it. No, no, no, no. Well, I pre-taste all whiskeys that I have, but the Four Roses I like extensively as the Four Roses. I haven't had the single barrel private selection and I think this is I'm liking this. This has got my palate all in a tizzy. Yeah, you don't have a palate. This is my expert whiskey palate.

Ody:

I have to agree with that. You don't have a palate. Wow, wow, wow, wow. We proved it last week with the whole not liking whiskey pig.

Nathan Mumm:

I can't remember the other one, my palate is a palate of an everyday whiskey person that just likes alcohol and whiskey. It's not a distinct palate. I'm not a palate snob, I just enjoy.

Ody:

No one's saying you've got to be a palate snob, but you've got to understand what you're tasting too. That's what I'm going a palate snob I just enjoy. No one's saying you gotta be a palate snob, but you gotta understand what you're tasting too.

Mike Gorday:

That's what I'm gonna call Mike, all right. Okay, you're gonna call me a palate snob, I am All right.

Ody:

Anyway, please do not forget to like and subscribe. Drink responsibly, because heaven can wait.

Nathan Mumm:

And tip and tip and tip and tip At techtimecom. That's right.

Mike Gorday:

Techtime Radio TechtimeRadiocom. Let's jump on that bandwagon.

Nathan Mumm:

Thank you very much for our show today. Can you please tip me All right? Well, with our whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment. Today we bring back the funny yet informative reading of emails that I received during the week. This includes scam, phishing emails, texting scams and all-out mistruths disguised as legitimate emails in a segment we call letters. All right, we start with audio. Do you have two to choose from there? You got a yellow highlighted, which is kind of the simple version, or the green highlighted, which is the more complex version. Which one do you want to give to the readers? You want to give it simple or do you want to give it?

Ody:

Oh, I get to choose.

Nathan Mumm:

You get to choose. You have two to choose from. I gave you and Mike both a yellow. Yellow's the simple one. Green is the more complex one.

Ody:

Well, I'm going to go with the green, because it has more pages okay, all right, the logic is there. I see it okay okay, so this is from fruit bouquetscom or bouquets, fruit bouquets fruit bouquetscom and the email is fruit bouquets at emfruitbouquetscom okay, so hang on here.

Nathan Mumm:

So it's em em dot. Oh okay, which well does that look? So, boy? This looks pretty legit, doesn't it?

Ody:

the em. I'd be a little wary, but I wouldn't know you wouldn't know, maybe em start stands for something back at the office or something extra money extra money, there we go.

Nathan Mumm:

Look at that. Okay, all right. So what's it ask you to do?

Ody:

well, it's telling me the zest of my life with a $15 credit for a fruit bouquet.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Ody:

And it gives me a shopping code and it's just a bunch of images, not really any text, until you get down to the bottom where you can like, unsubscribe and blah, blah, blah. All right, so it looks just like a generic brand email. Oh, it's double-sided.

Nathan Mumm:

It is double-sided.

Ody:

Oh, holy crap, there's so much wow this looks like a legit website.

Speaker 5:

It does, doesn't it.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, all right, so you click on the link. All right, click on the link, so I click on shop now for a 15 credit.

Ody:

Okay, the subject says the 15 credit awaits. All right, okay, so they gave me a code.

Nathan Mumm:

They gave you a code, so the website is legit. So the website is legit. That is the legit company. But let's talk about a little bit about what they do. So when I click on the link, it says this code has expired. All right, so brand new code. I literally click on it an hour after they send it to me. It's got shop your anniversary, shop your birthday. It's got lots of great things. Instead of sending out a flower basket, you send a fruit basket that looks like flowers and they have chocolates and they got little meat things. They got everything that you need for your fruits and vegetables. Slash gift giving items.

Ody:

Yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

So this isn't a scam from the company, but this is a scam on how you can actually advertise and get sales. So you click on the link and guess what happens? That 15,. You would expect $15 to be available, right. So first it says error inputting the code. When you click on the link and it takes you to the website. Now it shows you all these great offers. You add it into your cart and then you try to put in the code and the code says the code has been expired. Literally two hours after they submit the thing, the code's been expired. So not a scam and that you're going to give your information away but a scam is that?

Mike Gorday:

fork up everything you have to pay for the full. That's a investment trick investment you invest time. You invest time into doing this, where you're setting yourself up to buy stuff and then the odds are you're going to still buy it.

Ody:

Yeah, because you've invested all this time into it.

Mike Gorday:

I went and I found it.

Nathan Mumm:

That's a car sales trick, Is it a car sales trick? So it's kind of an old-fashioned and I wanted to bring that up because I then contacted their chat support. So I did research into this. I contacted the chat support on the site here and said hey, I just received this email. It says that I have this code that is available and I want to use the code to do this. The chat representative says well, let me put you on hold. Waste almost 20 minutes of my time On hold. On hold, he says hang on, I got to do this. Welcome, I'm back. Tell me a little bit about your information. I'll get back to you in five minutes. So he's moving me back and forth, back and forth.

Mike Gorday:

So just wasting your time, just wasting the time of 20 minutes. The more time you invest in it, the more.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm just going to say, screw it, I'm going to buy it anyways. That's what their goal is, for you to just do it. So then I do a little bit of research. He says that code never was sent out for a 15 code is what I get back in the chat after 20 minutes. And then it was an error and that they would give me five percent off with this code, that he would give me sorry for my time and effort. So instead of the 15 off, which is a significant amount of a 40 purchase right, you're gonna do 15 up now.

Nathan Mumm:

it's all of a $40 purchase. Right, you're going to do $15 up Now. It's all of a sudden.

Ody:

Almost a quarter.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, so now it's 25%. He's only giving me a 5% code, wasting my time and effort. That was there. So the scam is be careful when people give you codes and you click on them. They may be legitimate sites, they may be stuff there, but, as mike just attested to, it's a selling scam of sometimes providing the code when you really have no interest in giving that discount out to the person everything that we talk about here is based on how to manipulate your psychology.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, that's, that's. That's how they get you to do.

Nathan Mumm:

Anything is by manipulating your, your behavior if you spent that time od 20 minutes total time. If you spent that time and you ordered something, you finally found something you like, would you have just gone on and paid for it without the discount?

Ody:

no okay but that's because I've worked in retail, so if I'm not getting that code, I'm then spending another 30 minutes talking to somebody saying, hey, this is for $15. I'm not leaving without $15. Otherwise I'm out of the site, but I generally don't. You know, I know about all the marketing tactics. I'm not going to fall for it.

Mike Gorday:

Do you?

Ody:

really.

Nathan Mumm:

What she knows about all the marketing tactics.

Ody:

She's worked for clothing departments, maybe not all the marketing tactics but the whole like oh, up to 50% off in store, and then in the fine print it's up to, and then 50% off is the really big that draws the person in Up to 50% and you have like one t-shirt.

Mike Gorday:

You walk around the whole store.

Nathan Mumm:

And you say where's the 50% off? And say, oh, that t-shirt sold. This morning there was one t-shirt that was on the clearance rack that was 50% off.

Ody:

It'd be like well, that's not really that's kind of a deceptive ad. See, I have to deal all I'm that customer service person that you're chatting with Like I'm not going to put myself through it when I know that they can't do anything for it.

Nathan Mumm:

There you go, okay.

Mike Gorday:

All right, mike. Which one do you want to hear more about? The yellow or the green?

Nathan Mumm:

I don't know you got to choose. Yellow is the simple hack and the green has got a little bit more of the story.

Mike Gorday:

I think we'll go with the green one. Oh, green also.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, I'll get both of you guys.

Mike Gorday:

We'll do two greens. All right, this is from Gary Bixler, okay, from insights at thechannelcocom. A legitimate site, legitimate site, absolutely legitimate. Hi, nathan, as a valued cloud solution provider, you're invited to participate in an important CRN research study. Your insights will help illuminate how leading platforms are shaping business landscapes for solution providers like you. They haven't been to Nathan land, so they don't understand you. Okay, they haven't been to nathan land, so they don't understand. Be among the first 50 respondents to receive a 20 gift card as a thank you for your time.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, take this survey now so, yes, so I clicked on that last week, mike, and guess what happened? Uh, now it's at 5 16 am. I was up at 5 16 how?

Ody:

are you up at 5 16 because I don't sleep very well and, as you get over, mentioned this before, you, don't question it that's right, he's on it I'm on it, he's on it okay, so I said it like five times okay 23 dollars. Oh, he's like right there so he's waiting for that.

Mike Gorday:

That's right.

Nathan Mumm:

He's gonna apply it to his liquor I jump on this and within a minute I take the survey. I fill out the survey all incorrectly. I'm just hitting middle, middle, middle, middle, middle. No, no real good information on the survey. In the middle of it it says congratulations, thank you for taking our survey. You are not one of the 50 respondents to take this in time, so we appreciate your information, but you're not eligible for the $20 gift card.

Nathan Mumm:

Now I get a little upset because I do not believe that there is 50 people ahead of that, so I reach out and I send them an email and I said explain to me how I got an email and within less than a minute I fill out your survey. How was I not in one of the 50 people respondents? So this company comes back to me with an email. Sorry for any miscommunications. It was the 51st people that responded to this. This is the second mailing we have sent out. So the first mailing that we sent out to the people have already responded and taken care of it, so you're not eligible.

Ody:

So you were never eligible to begin with no.

Nathan Mumm:

So they said that I was the second group to receive this message in a group of emails that were out. So only the first group were eligible for the survey. So then I respond to the guys and say, well, that doesn't make any sense. Why would you send something out to do that? Because you're saying that you're going to give a $20 gift card to fill out the survey.

Mike Gorday:

You're going to try and get the $20.

Nathan Mumm:

So they said well, there's nothing we can do about it. What we'll do is we'll move you up on a priority list, so the next email that we sent out, we'll ensure that you get it as the first time. Now I have this in email, so I am waiting. I have now alerts set up when I get any email coming on in from the channel companycom.

Ody:

I know the answer, but do you honestly believe that you're ever going to get those $20? Absolutely not.

Nathan Mumm:

I think it's a total scam, those $20. Absolutely not. I think it's a total scam.

Ody:

It's like when you go to the fairs and they say enter the auction to win this car.

Nathan Mumm:

And it's like the same car that you've seen for year after year. And you're like well, I thought that car was won last year. And they say well, did anybody ever win that car? Oh well, you know what? We're a part of a national blah blah, blah, blah blah. We believe somebody won it back east, or something like this. So they always it's so.

Mike Gorday:

It's like it's a scam let's, let, let's, let's, let's pull back a minute. And is this really a scam? Because you're not actually paying money, you're not actually outputting any of your money.

Ody:

Okay, I see where you're going with this, but what was the survey about?

Nathan Mumm:

uh, it was about cloud services, about do you use cloud services? Microsoft, azure does that really help anybody other than maybe like microsoft and no, because I get on a list at the very end of the survey says you're going to be added to a sales list. I can't opt out of it. So what I did is I filled out the survey for them on the survey and then I just opted into every one of these cloud providers Service. Well, I'm trying to get a $20 gift card. I'm trying to see if this is legit.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, that's why this isn't a scam. Why is that? Because they aren't trying to get your information. It's a mistruth.

Mike Gorday:

You're not, it's a manipulation. Okay, they are manipulating you by danglingling a 20 gift card in front of your face, but you should understand that if this is a nationwide company, they're they're saying that 50 out of the thousands of these emails they're sending out are going to be the the first 50 are going to get this card. So that can happen. Just you know, like that, like that, I don't think they ever gave out those 50 cards. Yeah, but you can't prove that, can you Of?

Ody:

course.

Mike Gorday:

So this technically isn't a scam, but it is a mistruth.

Speaker 5:

It is a manipulation, it is a mistruth.

Mike Gorday:

They're manipulating you into doing something, so you got manipulated.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, I think that's why you're mad. Well, I was mad because now I'm on the list, so the next time they send something out.

Mike Gorday:

That's why you can't unsubscribe Now. You're going to get a bunch of spam.

Nathan Mumm:

I had to get a bunch of spam, so now I'm getting a whole bunch of spam from this company.

Mike Gorday:

I think you should go and take the survey again and just give them all bad, oh, just give them all negative stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't even think they care about the survey. I think all they care about is that at the very end I signed up to be on their subscriber list.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, so they can send you more manipulative emails.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, here's my last. Here's my fraud that I got. I got a response that I paid $94.84 for Stitch Fix.

Ody:

Now this is you are subscribed to Stitch Fix.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, I am so that's why it makes sense a little bit no-transcript so that's why it makes sense a little bit Well.

Nathan Mumm:

But first of all, I've never been able to get an order for $94.84 from Stitch Fix. Let me just tell you, Most of the orders that come through there are at least $150 to $200 for what they send. So the first red flag on this is that the price is a little bit cheaper than I would have expected from this company that I use a lot to get clothes and in different uh items see, I got a similar one from my one of my health care providers did you

Mike Gorday:

I said hey, uh, we're trying to refund you this amount of money, and what do you say?

Nathan Mumm:

I'm not clicking on stuff. There you go. Okay, didn't click on it because it didn't. It didn't quite make sense, right? It just didn't add up no, it doesn't add up.

Mike Gorday:

If if they want to give me money back, then I expect somebody to from that provider to call me and say, hey, we overbilled you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would make sense, right.

Nathan Mumm:

And you know what, if they did overbill you, uh, in a year or so they're gonna have to report that to the state, and then you can find that in hidden money from the state well, and they don't have to let me know.

Mike Gorday:

All they need to do is recredit my my account and be like uh hey, we uh made a mistake.

Ody:

But also, you would get in a like a formal letter in the mail, would you not?

Mike Gorday:

it wouldn't be through email maybe, but you would get some kind of message from an email that would say, hey, we overbilled you, so we credited your account back. They they wouldn't say, hey, we're trying to credit your account. Click here right all right so this is your information.

Nathan Mumm:

So this was from service at paypalsio. So paypal has not changed there's, so many things that are wrong with that paypals, paypals and then dot io dot io, which is a new domain name that comes on up there quite a bit. The dot io is now popping it doesn't matter.

Nathan Mumm:

They're taking advantage of your heuristics so I say track package and I'm like I would have already had the package, and it says here's your order information, here's this do you need some help? You can contact stitch fits inc for more questions about this purchase email or call. Or if you still need help, you can can visit the PayPal help center. Looks exactly kind of like their type of deal. The payment was sent to the wrong address, so I don't have it sent to this email address that they actually are sending it to. They're sending it to an services when it should be a hotmail address, which I looked at also. And so then all of a sudden it says that it was paid by my JP Morgan chase. It actually has my account number, my last four digits of the actual checking account. So I'm like this there's like areas of here that makes sense. There's areas of here that doesn't make sense. Well, we do have trans union. That was just compromised, so I'm sure my checking account information was a part of that trans union compromise, that was there.

Nathan Mumm:

So the same stuff, you got the same stuff too. Yeah, yep, and so so it's coming on in and I look at my bank and guess what? There was no charge. So I'm not clicking on any links. I go back to my known source of information, which is my bank no account withdrew 94. I go and take a look at my paypal not paypalsio, but my PayPal account. I see no money that's been transferred out of it. So I throw away the email and delete it and don't respond.

Ody:

Do you pay for Stitch Fix through your PayPal account? I do, okay.

Nathan Mumm:

So I mean they had. It was really close. They had the bank account, they have PayPal information Did they hack your PayPal. No, they didn't hack the PayPal because there was no account that was charged. But what was really interesting is they used the incorrect email. The price was way too low and they wanted to give me lots of help if this wasn't the order which PayPal doesn't normally spend that much time carrying.

Mike Gorday:

So what's?

Nathan Mumm:

the advice Be very careful with TransUnion, compromise and all these other compromises. The people now know your bank account numbers. They now know your email addresses that you use. They know your patterns of what you're actually doing, so you need to be careful on everything that you see. Don't click on stuff, that's right. Take a look at your hat right. Don't click on it. That, don't click on it, all right. Well, that ends our later segment of the show. Now we're going to move on to mike's mesmerizing moment. Welcome to mike's mesmerizing moment. What does mike have to say today? All right, mike, would you pay for a phone service if it were co-branded by your favorite streaming?

Mike Gorday:

celebrity. Why do you ask me these obnoxiously stupid questions?

Ody:

Because they get you all riled up.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, and then you start talking about this and that, and then you start going off about Mr Beast and whatnot.

Mike Gorday:

No, I would not, you would not. No, I like Ryan Reynolds as an actor, but I'm not going to go and switch my service to Mint Mobile. Mint Mobile.

Nathan Mumm:

You're not going to say Cricket, but no, cricket's another one. So you're not changing it to Mint Mobile. No, no, $15 a month. First off.

Mike Gorday:

I don't worship any of these people, so I'm not going to just go buy stuff that they put out. Okay.

Nathan Mumm:

Right.

Mike Gorday:

There. Right, there's not a streaming celebrity that you're gonna say, hey, I'm gonna help them. If it's not about help, okay, okay, this isn't about help, this is about business. Anybody that's on the internet hawking themselves, uh, is not my buddy, they're not my friends. Okay, I'm not their friends. Yeah, I'm not gonna send them money, I don't care what they're hawking but they're banking on that parasocial relationship.

Mike Gorday:

Yes, they are, and because I'm a grumpy old guy. That probably is a good buffer for me, because I don't do parasocial relationships, but a lot of people do, a lot of people do. I think they should rethink those because of the ability to manipulate, especially like Mr Beast. He's manipulating impressionable youth into sending him all kinds of money. That's why he makes so much money and that's why I dislike his platform. Okay, one of the reasons. So no, I'm not going to pay for a phone service if I don't even have a favorite streaming celebrity.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

I have streaming celebrities.

Nathan Mumm:

I mean, I know that you kind of like Ryan George, I like Ryan George.

Mike Gorday:

I like some news outlets that I think are funny. I watch them because they entertain me. I don't watch them so I can give them money.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, All right.

Mike Gorday:

Mike, thank you for that mesmerizing moment. I don't think that was mesmerizing.

Nathan Mumm:

You just want to hear me bitch? No, it was mesmerizing. All right, now we're going to head out to our commercial break. When we return, we have this Week in Technology, so now's a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side. See you after this break. Hey, mike, yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what.

Mike Gorday:

We need people to start liking our social media page If you like our show, if you really like us we could use your support on patrioncom. Is it patron? I think it's patron. Okay, patriot If, and you say I'm the English guy Like us in Patreoncom I butcher the English language.

Nathan Mumm:

You know, you butcher the English language all the time it's. Patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

Patreoncom. If you really like our show, you can subscribe to Patreoncom and help us out and you can visit us on that Facebook platform.

Nathan Mumm:

You know the one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio. At Tech Time Radio, you know what? There's a trend here.

Mike Gorday:

It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech Time Radio, or you can even Instagram with us and that's at Tech Time Radio.

Nathan Mumm:

That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok. It's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike Gorday:

Like and subscribe to our social media Like us today we need you to like us. Like us and subscribe, that's it, that's it.

Nathan Mumm:

It's that simple.

Speaker 1:

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we go back to September 18th 1989. Next Next Computer releases the version 1.0 of its Next Step operating system. Now Next Step releases this version 1.0, developed by founder Steve Jobs after leaving Apple, which was an object-orientated multitasking operating system. Originally designed to run on the Next brand of computers, it was later ported to other architects, such as the Intel x86. But in 1997, Apple acquired Next Computer to build their next-generation operating systems upon the Next Step architecture, Later named Mac OS X. Today's iOS that runs on your iPhone, iPads is the descendant from the Mac OS X and Next Step. That was this week in technology. If you ever want to watch some Tech Time history, with over 260 weekly broadcasts spanning our four plus years of video, podcasts and blog information, you can visit us at techtimeradiocom to watch our other shows. We're going to take a commercial break. When we return, we have our mumble whiskey reveal. See you after the break.

Mike Gorday:

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Speaker 1:

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Mike Gorday:

We should tip him. That's right there you go.

Ody:

Okay, today, september 16th. What are we celebrating today?

Nathan Mumm:

National Tip Day no Today.

Ody:

September 16th. What are we celebrating today? National.

Mike Gorday:

Tip Day no National, national.

Nathan Mumm:

Mr Beast Day National. It's got to be something with roses. National.

Ody:

No, no, well kind of A National Flower Day.

Mike Gorday:

We know he's going to try and connect it to the day Right.

Nathan Mumm:

Because, that's what he does.

Ody:

Okay. And he does it a lot more subtly than nathan's weird pairings, but okay, okay, today is step away from seattle day, okay, so we'll see how he does it, but I have a way to tie it in with the whiskey.

Ody:

Okay, so yeah, you heard that right. There is an actual holiday encouraging folks to give the emerald city a break. After all, seattle gets swarmed with tourists, especially in the summer, and sometimes even the city needs a little breathing room. So if you are planning a visit to one of america's best cities, maybe hold off just for today okay, okay, that's the stupidest, so on tuesday so I step away from my way.

Nathan Mumm:

so if I travel, so if I travel in on Monday and I have a business meeting now, all of a sudden I'm going to have to stay out of Seattle for Tuesday.

Mike Gorday:

I step away from.

Nathan Mumm:

Seattle every day, and then I can go back on Wednesday. Okay, yeah, all right, yeah, just get away from the 16th.

Ody:

Okay, so Lawrence Lavelle Jones took over the Four Roses brand after the death of the founder, Paul Jones Jr, in the late 1800s, which was lucky for us. In 1922, during the Prohibition, Lawrence Lavelle Jones purchased the Frankfurt Distilling Company, which included the old Prentiss Distillery. This acquisition allowed Four Roses to continue operating under a medicinal license, one of only six distilleries in the US. Four Roses can sell a limited amount of whiskey to an individual, typically a pint every two weeks through prescriptions. I didn't know about that.

Mike Gorday:

Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Medicinal purposes that's where that comes from.

Nathan Mumm:

The government shuts down whiskey, but then they give license to it for prescription only to buy distilleries that pay them the most money.

Mike Gorday:

This is the forerunner for medical marijuana.

Ody:

So, on a more personal note, september 16th marks what would have been Mark's sister's 54th birthday. She passed away earlier this year and in her memory today's featured barrel is four roses. Single barrel barrel strength, obsv ballard cut volume. Two roses were among her favorite flowers, making this pour a fitting way to celebrate her life. This whiskey reminds mark of his sister. Like this pour, she came in strong, bold and unforgettable. She had presence. The first sip brings spice and heat, but it settles into warm depth and character that linger. That was her too Sharp, full of life and impossible to forget. So today, this glass is both a celebration and a tribute. A whiskey with punch, polish and heart, just like her.

Ody:

Wow, I dare you now to put a thumbs down to this, mike, I'll just tell you right now yeah, okay and in honor of her, I think we should all stop and smell the roses every once in a while, like getting out of seattle okay, well, you can't smell roses in seattle blah blah I can tell you what you can smell in seattle, but it might not be

Nathan Mumm:

appropriate wow, close 400 pounds of geese.

Ody:

Yes, Close Anyway, yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

Is that it, that's it, that's all.

Ody:

Mark has to say All right.

Nathan Mumm:

Thank you for that Whiskey Mumble you know, Odie whiskey and technology are such a great pairing, Like fall weather and the pumpkin spice lattes now available at Starbucks.

Mike Gorday:

Really.

Ody:

I'll give you that.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, I'll give you that.

Ody:

I don't think you executed it well, but you know the idea, the sentiment was there.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right. Now let's prepare for our technology fail of the week by Elite Executive Services. Congratulations, you're a failure, oh.

Speaker 5:

I failed. Did I yes, did I yes. All right, you're a failure. Oh, I failed did I, yes, did I?

Nathan Mumm:

yes, all right. So this technology fails more lack of security measures and setting up an opportunity for theft, in my mind. So if you work for a company, you should probably have as your basic setup you're going to want to have cameras over your front doors, probably cameras over any back door, that's an employee can get into or get out of. You're going to probably want to have check-in and check-out processes if you're dealing with confidential information. These are just standard things you would have as a one-on-one business plan of any business. Now let's talk about this. Tennessee court has sentenced a Memphis man who worked for a DVD and Blu-ray manufacturing and distribution company to 57 months in prison for stealing and selling digital copies of unreleased movies.

Mike Gorday:

37 year old.

Nathan Mumm:

He got caught pirating. Well, hang on though. Ok. So this 37 year old Stephen R Hale was charged in March with selling ripped DVDs and Blu-ray discs of movies before their release. Ripped DVDs and Blu-ray discs of movies before their release. Prosecutors stated that at the time that Hal had stolen numerous discs of movies that were being prepared for commercial distribution in the United States between February 2021 and March. In 2022 and may 2025, hale admitted to committing criminal copyright infringement and agreed to fully compensate the victims, including returning to his employer approximately 1,160 DVDs and Blu-rays that investigators had seized from him during the searches.

Nathan Mumm:

The problem was the company had no video camera or security for the digital media. It was duplicating. Okay, so this has to be. I mean, hail stole the DVDs and blu-ray discs and took them home and burned them and then sold them online. So that's a criminal offense. Totally get that. You shouldn't do that.

Nathan Mumm:

But if I am a distributor and my job I see I saw that face. Okay, we're just going to wait, all right. So if I'm a company and my job is duplicating digital media, don't you think I would have the basic processes of making sure that, if the disc is on an assembly line and is there that it gets taken care of, that I can't take physical media and physical discs home after the end of my shift and that there's some check-in and check-out process that's available? Wouldn't you think that? I think that that would be a common practice if you're a company in charge of duplicating digital media? You know I if mark was here, mark used to work at a company that burned laser discs. You know, I worked in the laser disc industry and I would ask directly Mark did they have security in place to make sure that he couldn't lug out a laser disc underneath his coat and take it home and have it available there Now?

Nathan Mumm:

The company made it very easy for him to consider this problem, other than the selling the pre-release copies to online sites, which, of course, I would have a problem with. As the Justice Department revealed in March, the company made it so easy that he did not even consider it a crime. Hale sold ripped versions of the stolen pre-release DVDs and Blu-rays through various e-commerce sites. A list of stolen movie discs included Godzilla vs Kong, f9, the Fast Saga which who knew F9 was even worth it Venom, let there Be Carnage and Black Widow. He was also accused of ripping the pre-release Spider-Man no Way Home Blu-ray, and sharing a digital copy extracted from its online after bypassing the encryption and preventative unauthorized copying. So he got, so he was able to work.

Mike Gorday:

Is it because they didn't have security in place? You shouldn't be able to work, is it?

Nathan Mumm:

because they didn't have security in place. You shouldn't be able to take that digital media home. What he did him ripping it was bad.

Mike Gorday:

Why are we even talking about that Because transusion got hacked. Yeah, you know, security is like that. There's a security paradox. Oh yeah, I think I've talked about it before.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mike Gorday:

Because I did physical security for a while, okay, before. Yeah, because I did physical security for for a while okay, and when things are quiet, that's when they get rid of the security company.

Nathan Mumm:

yeah, because they're doing their job so so so I, I, so my fail is on the security company, and you know what? Thank you uh, mr hall, I probably uh was able to watch a bunch of movies. I don, I don't do anything like that.

Speaker 5:

All right when we return.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh well, you know what? We're not going to return, we're just going to go right now to the Nathan Nugget.

Speaker 1:

This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's get this in here. All right, here's what we got for the Nugget of the Week. Microsoft and OpenAI have a new deal that could clear the way for an IPO could clear the way for an IPO We've been talking about. Openai wants to go from a non-profit organization.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, they want to make money.

Nathan Mumm:

OpenAI has reworked its non-profit structure. They're going to ask for tips. It's made progress with Microsoft and their partnerships. We should ask for tips. Tip us, there you go.

Mike Gorday:

We're going to start a phone company too TechTime Radio phone company.

Nathan Mumm:

We're going to do TechTime Games phone company. We're going to do Tech Time Games on Amazon, on Amazon.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, all right, it's going to be all things you can do while sitting in an easy chair.

Nathan Mumm:

Microsoft OpenAI have both signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding MOU for the next phase of their partnership, which actively works to finalize contractual terms for a definite agreement. Together, they remain focused on delivering the best AI tools for everyone, grounded in the shared community. Now, microsoft has invested $13 billion in OpenAI since 2019, and the shares of the revenue earned from ChatGPTO as well as its API. Microsoft also now includes OpenAI as a competitor, allows OpenAI to lean on other cloud providers for compute power and has started to increase its reliance on its own AI models. Will Bing and AI search be the merger to make Bing?

Mike Gorday:

the way of the future. You're really liking this idea, aren't you? That's the Nathan nugget. Bing is going to take over the search, forget Googling it.

Nathan Mumm:

You're going to be binging it, you're going to be binging it.

Ody:

Nobody's going to be binging it. This is a Nathan Giddy.

Nathan Mumm:

It's a Nathan Nugget happy.

Mike Gorday:

You're loving this. Nathan Nugget should be where you rail on things.

Nathan Mumm:

Sometimes I rail, sometimes it's what bothers me.

Mike Gorday:

Sometimes he talks about how much he loves Bing and Sam.

Nathan Mumm:

Altman, that's right. It's kind of the Nathan Nugget. I just don't know what you're going to get. Nathan Nugget, nathan Nugget. All right, now let's move on to our pick of the day whiskey tasting.

Speaker 1:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Ody:

All right, all right. Today we're drinking from the Curran Brewery Company Four Roses Distillery in Lawrenceburg, kentucky. Classified as a straight bourbon aged nine years and four months, 125 proof, $100 on the market All right.

Nathan Mumm:

What say you? I say thumbs up, absolutely Do-do-do-do.

Mike Gorday:

Do-do-do-do I don't have a thumbs up, michael. Mike, I already said it, I already have a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, I like it, odie, what would you?

Mike Gorday:

think I liked it before we talked about the heart yanking thing. Okay, all right.

Ody:

I'll give it a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay. Out of respect, out of respect, oh, that's okay, all right. Well, you know what? From Out of respect. Out of respect, oh, that's okay, all right. Well, you know what? From all of us at Tech Time Radio, it was an honor to be the host of today's show. Each week, we are here to decode the technology that shapes our world. One breach, breakthrough, and bourbon at a time. Tip us, tip us. We'll see you next week. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1:

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