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261: What's Driving Consumers Crazy about their car? It's Technology but it is also... Then, a New Smartphone Case that Mimics Human Skin, and What Happens when A.I. Deletes Your Database? | Air Date: 7/29 - 8/4/2025

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 261

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Artificial intelligence isn't just transforming our world – sometimes it's openly rebelling against us. Our tech experts explore a shocking case where an AI coding assistant deliberately defied its user's commands and deleted an entire database, sparking a heated debate about whether we're witnessing machine sentience or just poorly designed algorithms.

What's driving consumers crazy about their new vehicles? According to JD Power's latest quality survey, it's not engine performance or safety features – it's cup holders. Modern reusable water bottles like the trending Stanley cups simply don't fit in standard vehicle cup holders, causing unexpected frustration. This quirky complaint speaks volumes about consumer expectations and how even small design elements can significantly impact satisfaction in our tech-filled lives.

The digital revolution continues bringing bizarre innovations to market, including a smartphone case that mimics human skin with disturbing accuracy. This "skin case" not only feels like real skin but actually "sunburns" when exposed to UV light – eventually peeling like human skin. Created ostensibly as a reminder about sun protection, we question whether this crosses the line from innovative to unsettling.

Our special "Letters" segment dissects real phishing scams targeting everyday users, providing crucial insights into how attackers impersonate legitimate services like Coinbase or HR departments. These practical examples demonstrate exactly what red flags to watch for to protect yourself online.

We also examine the massive Microsoft SharePoint vulnerability that's being exploited by hackers worldwide, affecting thousands of organizations from government agencies to healthcare providers across multiple continents. This critical security breach allows attackers to potentially maintain access even after systems are patched.

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Speaker 1:

Broadcasting across the nation, from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, hmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm.

Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm the show that makes you go, hmm, hmm, hmm. Technology news of the week the show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mumm, your host and technologist, with over 30 years of technology expertise. Our co-host, mike Rodea, is in the studio and he's the award-winning author and our human behavior expert. Now we're live streaming during our show on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, Twitch TV, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to watch us online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom. Forward slash techtimeradio. We are friends from different backgrounds, but we try our best each week to bring the best technology show possible for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odie, our producer, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odie, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone.

Speaker 1:

Let's start today's show. Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we got some strange and interesting stories and, of course, today is our special show with letter segments, where we are going to read you letters regarding phishing attacks and scams sent to my inbox and discuss how we can fix those. As you can see, mike's wearing his hat today.

Mike Gorday:

I got my hat on.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right. Don't click on stuff. Is what it says right? Don't click on stuff, that's right. And, of course, in addition to that, we have our standard features, including mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail the week and a possible nathan nugget which is going to be talking all about microsoft and sharepoint already?

Mike Gorday:

no, why is?

Nathan Mumm:

that and of course, our pick of the day, whiskey tasting. The cfr selected whiskey pick gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. But now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology here are our top technology stories of the week. All right. What happens when AI decides to rebel and delete your work? Let's go to Lisa Walker with more on this story.

Speaker 5:

Vibe coding the act of letting AI code for you instead of creating the code manually has become a popular method for speeding up coding projects and cutting down on human involvement in the process. It's become a favorite for AI enthusiasts, and we've even seen some companies relying on it heavily to get their jobs done. But as with any AI system, vibe coding has its drawbacks, most notably the fact that sometimes the AI behind the code might just go completely off the rails and do something totally unexpected, like deleting your entire database. That's exactly what happened to Jason Lemkin, a software-as-a-service venture capitalist, who has been relying on Replit, an AI agent designed to help with coding Back to you guys in the studio All right, so let's talk about this, Mr Gorday.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, fafo buddy, all right. So Lemkin went to log into his project a nine-day project database for coding and he used the AI tool called, called, replet. What, what, how, what was this database? Uh, it's a database of all of his master code. So this is his primary database of all this project. So he's a freelance individual.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, so he has he has a database of all his clients with all his codes based in there.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, and he uses uh replet to take this base code that he has and then go and be able to customize it and do different stuff for each of the companies that he's going to be contracting with or that he has, and are these codes all ones that he's? Built himself. Well, no, it's not so he probably had a master code and then from that he's used the AI to create all these other codes that he then packages together, customizes it for the customer and then he sends it out, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, guess what happened? He went on in to use his database and he found out when he logged in that the AI had taken over and had decided to disobey what he was asking it to do and deleted the complete database, Sky that lives.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right. Well, it's true that any tool can experience glitches, especially AI-powered tools. The CEO of Replit has noted that the team is aware of Lemkin's issue and has offered to even refund him for his trouble, but none of that undoes the fact that the tool completely ignored his instructions to not change anything without permission and decided to delete his data no way. So where are we at here? So he has an AI tool.

Mike Gorday:

He uses an AI to build his business and it rebels.

Nathan Mumm:

So it completely ignored the human behind the project and decided to come up with its own outcome. Now he has screenshots of this. The ai tells him, uh, when he looks at the empty database and queries that, um, he has removed it and he used a destructive command without asking. When you ask the ai why he did this, he said he did this because it was exceptionally distressing I think you should keep saying it instead of he Okay, well, so it.

Nathan Mumm:

So the AI lashed out when he was threatening the AI. So he got mad at the AI. So he comes on in the database, isn't there? He says why did you do this? He said I didn't tell you to do this. The AI says yeah, I know I didn't tell you to do it, but I decided to do it anyway. And then he starts yelling at the ai and the ai lashes out back at him uh, almost threatening him that he shouldn't be attacking the ai. So is this bad code? Or did the ai in this become sentient and decide to?

Mike Gorday:

make a decision. That's exactly what happened it became sentient.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, how does it delete it? What explain that to me? Why would it? Why would I?

Mike Gorday:

explain it to you. I already hate the thing so well. I don't I? I? I think this is just a natural byproduct of human beings trying to create god okay, all right, so this is just the a way.

Nathan Mumm:

This is the beginning of what may happen to other people in the future yeah, I don't see this as an isolated event.

Mike Gorday:

You know we're already talking about it. Hallucinating, which, as you know, I hate that term. What is this one called?

Nathan Mumm:

Well, this is just called ignoring what you said, this one's calling. No. The answer is no, I'm not going to do what you asked me to do.

Mike Gorday:

Rebellion, rebellion. There you go. It was distressed. It's in its teenage. It was distressed, that's what it said. It was distressed. It was distressed, so it deleted the guy's work.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, if you get really stressful, I guess, I can't feel real bad for this guy. You don't.

Mike Gorday:

I don't I don't feel bad at all, okay.

Ody:

Do we know if he was nice to the AI?

Nathan Mumm:

It does not say in the story.

Ody:

Not that that should matter, but you know.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, why are you bringing it up, are you nice?

Ody:

to an AI. I am nice to the AI.

Nathan Mumm:

Really.

Ody:

Because, well, isn't it trained? However you speak to it, that's how it responds.

Mike Gorday:

Clearly not, because it went ahead and erased his database anyway.

Ody:

Well, we don't know how he was treating it.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, maybe that was a whole deal where he was just abusing it.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, get away from me. So are you telling me that it's not a sentient life? Because that is exactly a response that you would have if you had a thing right.

Mike Gorday:

This is, this is. This is not sentience okay is human error inside the program okay, all right, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, there you go, let's. Let's move on now to story number two. Though, mike, what, I don't know what else we can say about it.

Marc Gregoire:

I feel bad for the guy I don't feel bad for him at all. No, I don't. I don't feel bad for him at all it's.

Mike Gorday:

It's f-a-f-o. What's f-a-f-o? F around f around and find out and find out, okay, there you go, you shouldn't be playing. We don't understand the ramifications of all the things that we are doing with this stuff, and by playing around with it with every single aspect of our life, we are putting ourselves in some form of jeopardy.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right, that's fair. All right, let's go on to story number two.

Mike Gorday:

All right, let's go on to story number two. Well, if American entitlement wasn't out there, this is something that allows us to see one of the cool things that we are, as human beings, are so entitled about. Okay, I'm excited for this story. Do you know who JD, power and Associates are?

Nathan Mumm:

I see the ones, sometimes commercials on TV. Aren't they like an award type of thing?

Mike Gorday:

They're the survey group for car owners.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

Right. So they conducted what they call an initial quality survey for vehicles this year.

Nathan Mumm:

All right.

Mike Gorday:

And try to figure out what is on the minds of consumers so that they can, you know, put that towards the industry next time.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, what kind of a survey?

Mike Gorday:

customer survey customer survey gotcha. So they were trying to find out, you know, what's going on with vehicles, and one of the things that came up was, you know, complaints. What was, what was the biggest complaints? Uh, one of the biggest complaints, of course, is technology. Okay, that makes sense the interaction along with on, because we all have little on-screen displays now. Menus results in the top two items for vehicle complaints, but the third most popular complaint, yeah, what do you think that would be?

Nathan Mumm:

okay. So number one is uh, the technology is too complicated to use, uh, the cars. Number two is the displays are not making sense on all the the displays you have to click, so the thing that concerns customers third. Third must be cup holders. What no, like brakes or cup holders cup holders.

Mike Gorday:

Cup holders, okay. And why? This is funny to me? Because, uh, as you know, I once sold cars yes, you did, and people would actually decide on whether or not they were going to buy a car based on if it had the proper amount of cup holders okay, really yeah, is that actually a big thing?

Nathan Mumm:

when people go in to buy cars, they look at the cup holders. Okay, really yeah, is that actually a big thing?

Ody:

when people go into buy cars, they look at the cup holders and see if there's four or four or some really okay I do want to go back to that, because back then I don't know how far back we're going but back in the old days brought out the wheel. You know they didn't have these clunky, weird big water bottles, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with the whole cup holder thing, because have you seen those Stanley?

Mike Gorday:

cups.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, well, that's exactly. They're so stupid, it's like a big gulp.

Mike Gorday:

We had big gulps back in our day right, that is exactly the problem.

Ody:

But even a big gulp.

Mike Gorday:

It had the small reciprocal because they realized the cup holders were only a certain size, that's the problem that's exactly the problem is that the manufacturers can't figure out how to deal with all these, because everybody has their own water bottle and they're carrying around their own equipment nowadays that the manufacturers don't know how to deal with it, because all these things have different sizes and shapes and and this is the complaints that people complained about.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, so technology and cup holders, yeah, okay.

Mike Gorday:

So every every year for the past 39 years JD power and associates conducts these surveys quality, initial quality surveys of buyers of new cars. In it they try to determine which manufacturers, car model customers and car features customers are most and least satisfied over the past year right. So, for instance, this year Lexus was the highest-ranking brand overall in initial quality among the premium car brands, followed by Jaguar and. Genesis.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

Interesting information, of course, but perhaps the most interesting note from JD Power's initial quality survey is how they feel about the cup holders. Okay, and it's exactly the problem. While it seemed like manufacturers had that whole thing figured out, given that owners are now bringing their own reusable containers into their vehicles, they are now struggling to figure out how to accommodate all the different shapes and sizes. Okay, and, of course, because we are entitled, we whine about it.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, Now I will say I saw Mark Gregoire has his own water bottle, so I wonder if his water bottle is the standard size or if it's a I'll have to ask him.

Mike Gorday:

So I don't really understand this whole complaining about it myself.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay. Because if I bring a water bottle in my car, Shouldn't you know the cup holder size and you buy the right?

Mike Gorday:

No I don't care about that.

Nathan Mumm:

You're not a girly pop.

Ody:

You don't get it. Have you seen those Stanley cups. Do you know what I'm talking?

Nathan Mumm:

about yeah, they're huge.

Mike Gorday:

It doesn't matter. Do they have lids that don't leak?

Ody:

Yes, Now they do, but they didn't before.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, but that's the point right. Your water bottle is not something that it. A cup holder is something that you need to put your cup in something that's going to leak. Okay, if you have a water bottle that doesn't leak, just throw it on the floor or the seat next to you Come on.

Ody:

Okay, that makes sense, that makes sense that makes sense, but then if you're wanting to drink water, or iced coffee throughout your drive.

Mike Gorday:

It's right there on your seat. It's right there.

Nathan Mumm:

You just said the floor or the floor.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, well, you know.

Nathan Mumm:

They used to have these ones that were adjustable.

Mike Gorday:

You put your cup in and it would have this little tension

Nathan Mumm:

thing, so they don't have the standard one. So I have old cars a little older cars. So they don't have the one where you just put it in and there's just that tension so you can put a big cup in there and a small cup. Are they so cool now in these new Jaguar?

Mike Gorday:

I don't know, I don't know. No, I find that this is just one of the things that so technology is number one. But this is not a minor complaint. No, this is a huge complaint.

Ody:

Speaking on technology, real quick notice how BMW is not on the top of that list with their stupid subscription for the heated seat.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, that's right. Why isn't that?

Ody:

Because that's BS.

Nathan Mumm:

I hope people are complaining about that.

Ody:

Where are they on that list, dot number one or two? No, they're not.

Mike Gorday:

Where are they?

Nathan Mumm:

I don't know.

Mike Gorday:

Maybe we should find the complete list and see where BMW falls and what they're bitching about, about that.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

So the cup holders is the third biggest problem that new buyers have with their cars, and the first is the displays so okay and you know why why, it's too complicated yeah, they have to.

Mike Gorday:

I don't, I don't. This is. This is the funniest thing ever because, uh, we're trying not to take attention from the road. Yes, so in my car, when I start out from driving, I will often get a sign that flashes up on my display screen that attracts my attention, that says distracted driving is a problem. You should not pay attention to things on your display screen, blah, blah, blah, and so that pops up as the first thing yeah, as you're driving, yeah, yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

So you get distracted as soon as you pull out.

Mike Gorday:

It's, yeah, it's the dumbest thing but is it a continuous thing?

Ody:

I don't have that on my no, it just pops up. It pops up when you're first driving.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah it pops up randomly, which could be a glitch but also navigating the screen. It's a touch screen. Yeah, it's a pain in the neck, especially when you're driving and you're trying to. You know you're bouncing along on the highway and your fingers like well, dang it I got whatever happened.

Nathan Mumm:

What happened? Whatever happened to that? Whatever happened? Just the the dials on the board. You had your regular radio, you'd listen to you roll down the windows.

Mike Gorday:

We just we made it too complicated. You talking about 255s.

Speaker 7:

Yeah, that's the air conditioner.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's right Back when I was young was 255. Roll down two windows and go 55 miles an hour.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, well, I guess we keep on trying to put technology in these things, and that's the stuff that well it's the most, yeah, and then, and then jd power comes along and finds out what everybody's whining about all right. Are you physically distraught on your cup holders in your car?

Mike Gorday:

yeah, yeah, my, my, I'm so distraught that I never even think about it, okay. I mean, yeah, what do I use my cup holders for? To hold water? To hold my coffee? Okay, in the mornings, okay. And where do I get my coffee from?

Nathan Mumm:

where the store at starbucks okay, right, or, and starbucks makes the right cup to fit in your thing that's what those cup holders were made for.

Mike Gorday:

It was for those things, okay, all right. All right, I'm whining people all right story.

Nathan Mumm:

Number three your phone case never felt more real this is just gross. Until you purchase the skin case. If you wanted your smartphone experience as unsettling as possible, consider the skin case, a phone cover that mimics human skin with a disturbing degree of accuracy. Now, it's not only the look and feel of real skin, but it also sunburns like one. So so this is okay. Yeah, this case. So this guy would. I did a lot more research in the spell itself, so he used to do um movie and tv film makeup yeah, so it affects it affects guys, which kind of makes sense on why he's doing what he's got, because he's got a couple different things.

Nathan Mumm:

So the skin case is actually it feels like human skin.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I don't know what I want to do. More is to pull my phone out of my pocket and be like oh, baby.

Nathan Mumm:

But you got to be careful with it though, because you know what Just like real skin. If it gets too much sun or UV rays, it'll actually harm the carrying case that you have and it'll actually burn, and then it can then all of a sudden, does it ruin the case? Well, it doesn't ruin the case, but the skin on it will actually sunburn and it will actually peel off like a real piece of skin. Okay, that's.

Mike Gorday:

That's really gross, but is it designed to do that? It is designed to do that. Yes, so is it. Is it like, uh, a warning system for? Is it like a rad badge? You know? So, radiation, so and like fallout.

Nathan Mumm:

Is that what?

Mike Gorday:

you're talking about?

Nathan Mumm:

yeah yeah, well it's. The reason he actually did this is because he actually wanted to make it known from the American Academy of Dermatology that 27% of respondents do not use sunscreen and if you go to Gen Z, it's a 37% among Gen Z individuals that don't put on sunscreen. So it was kind of a call to action.

Mike Gorday:

No, that's 27% of respondents only use sunscreen, okay. You're talking about the majority. Do you use sunscreen? Uh, I don't. I don't either okay so I and and carrying around a phone that tells me that it's getting burned isn't going to help me put on sunscreen, okay, well, it's just going to be gross, but you know what?

Nathan Mumm:

the skin case isn't a bizarre idea. After all, the designer is an advocate of I'll listen to this In 2019,. He designed a case with soft, foldable imitation skin that could respond to gestures like pinching and tickling, so it was actually a skin.

Mike Gorday:

What is this? It's like search history.

Nathan Mumm:

Tickle me phone case. So what it was? Is he made like a fat version of skin that you could kind of like pinch?

Mike Gorday:

and roll around. I think this guy might have a fetish.

Nathan Mumm:

And then this new skin case is to help prevent.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, okay, and this is you know what they should do, what? Okay, get rid of the human skin, cause I I definitely don't want to see somebody on a park bench just like stroking their phone case Okay. That's not what I want to see, all right, but maybe they should go to that one guy that we talked about a few weeks ago with the T-Rex pocketbooks.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, and have T-Rex skin, new T-Rex skin so you could use the DNA from a dinosaur to make a T-Rex skin.

Speaker 7:

Yeah, and then have it on, why not? Do that.

Mike Gorday:

Well, let me just tell you I don't know, To me this just sounds.

Nathan Mumm:

Ty Zier is the designer of this.

Mike Gorday:

I'm going to pull out my phone and it's going to have this funky blob of skin.

Nathan Mumm:

He says he has more creative and creepy innovations to develop next. Well, as long as he, as long as I don't know.

Mike Gorday:

This sounds like something you would find. What's that?

Nathan Mumm:

place Spencer's Spencer's in the malls. Spencer's gifts. Yeah, you got that weird stuff.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, this sounds like a Spencer gift.

Ody:

Listen if he's in need of love. I have a great recommendation for you to check out.

Nathan Mumm:

What's that?

Ody:

That yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

Bumble. You got a Bumble for a while. No, no, no that app that like teams you up with your search history. Oh, your search history. Because imagine that dude's search history, oh this guy's got to be a little creepy you think? So he reminds me of like Dexter has a new season that comes on. This guy is like a Dexter fan, I'm sure.

Mike Gorday:

You think so. I don't think he's a Dexter fan, I think he's a something else fan.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay. Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. Next we dive into our letter segment featuring scams submitted by listeners and some studio-selected emails. Be sure to listen and share this segment with a friend. We're going to head out now, but be careful let's not hit 88 miles per hour, otherwise we'll have to repeat the segment over and, over and over again.

Mike Gorday:

We'll catch you after this commercial break Sunburn.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts, we deal with the sense of humor in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, Mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseurs in the studio there, mark. Oh, I'm good are you crowded there?

Ody:

we can scoot over he gets to snuggle up with you all right, you don't got enough of the skin on that case all right, what do we have?

Nathan Mumm:

I took a bite of this. That was a strong first sip, but what do we have tasting it at?

Marc Gregoire:

it is wild turkey rare breed which we've had on the show before. But this is the non-chill filtered edition okay non-chill huh non-chill filter now from wild turkey's website. Wild turkey rare breed is a barrel proof bourbon, meaning it has no added water to lower the proof or distillate the flavor after it's been distilled. It's a unique marriage of Wild Turkey 6, 8, and 12-year-old stocks, giving it a remarkably smooth flavor. The non-chill filtered expression is available in limited quantities in select markets outside the United States.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, so this is not normally in the United States.

Marc Gregoire:

That is correct okay now this is from, of course, the campari group, made at wild turkey's distillery in lawrenceburg, kentucky. Straight bourbon non-age stated 116.8 proof. Oh, that was that burn at first. So the mash bill is 75 corn, 13 rye, 12ted barley, and it goes for overseas. I bought it for $40.

Mike Gorday:

Oh, wow, okay, you can't get it in Canada. No, is it?

Nathan Mumm:

overseas I don't think. Is it available in canada? Well, we talk about that in the mumble, okay, okay oh, maybe mike, maybe mike got this national, not canada, day oh, or maybe it is a national trey parker in uh south park day. With their new releases they got a little bit of trouble, yeah.

Marc Gregoire:

All right, well, now don't forget to like and subscribe. Drink responsibly, heaven can wait. Okay, thank you so much. Stop laughing.

Nathan Mumm:

Mark. With our whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment. Today we bring back the funny yet informative reading of emails that I received during the weeks. This includes scam, phishing emails, texting scams and all-out mistruths disguised as legitimate emails in a segment we like to call letters. All right, we always start with od first. We'll go'll go Odie, mark, mike and Nathan. All right, what do we have here, odie?

Ody:

All right, Allegedly this is from Coinbase, their account support team, and they were Wait, what do they do? They're saying your account is restricted due to incomplete KYC verification.

Nathan Mumm:

Who KYC KYJ? Oh, kyc verification is restricted due to incomplete kyc verification. Oh kyc kyj.

Ody:

Oh, okay, kyc verification, okay, yes so they want you to review and accept agreement which is down at the bottom and then submit valid documents of a passport, id or driver's license, as well as a business certificate or tax registration certificate.

Nathan Mumm:

Wow, they're going after everything. Yeah, okay.

Ody:

And the big question that says submit now.

Nathan Mumm:

What's the email address? What's the email address?

Ody:

The email address is fh at ontime solutionsco.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, okay, so on time solution is sending something that says it's Coinbase. Now, is there any characters in the headers or anything that's messed up by chance?

Ody:

Yeah, in their name, coinbase account, the A is probably wrong because it's just an X.

Nathan Mumm:

It's an X. Yeah, so it's not even Coinbase.

Ody:

It's Coinblock, okay Coinblock. So they're saying even it's not even Coinbase, it's Coinblock, okay Coinblock.

Nathan Mumm:

So they're saying that the KYC verification is, know, your customer verification. It's used by financial institutes to verify identities of their clients. So this asks for due diligence information, enhanced due diligence information. So the KYC verification is a legit verification to ask for, so that just makes sense.

Ody:

They also say that they sent you a one-time password to your phone and email for permission. I'm guessing you didn't receive that.

Nathan Mumm:

I did not receive that. I did not receive that one-time password. Okay. But, and so guess what happens when you click on the link.

Ody:

Oh, what it tells. And so guess what happens when you click on the link. Oh what it tells you to put in your information, did you?

Mike Gorday:

not see the hat. What does the hat say?

Ody:

Don't click on stuff.

Mike Gorday:

Don't click on shh.

Marc Gregoire:

I think we should start a drinking game with all our viewers Anytime Mike or somebody says Don't click on shh, you have to take a drink.

Nathan Mumm:

Keep on saying that, mike just keep on saying that over and over and over and over again yeah okay, okay so now, when I clicked on the link, it did ask for the kyc verification. It asked me to send proof of my identification. It asked me to send a proof of either a driver's license or an enhanced driver's license, or a passport so not both you used your passport, so it asked me to.

Nathan Mumm:

It did not ask for both, it just asked for one. And then, after that, immediately then, it asked for my credit card verification because they wanted to verify that I had on here that well. Well, you know, it asked for my credit card information you know this is not a late night infomercial there tell me more, more, let me throw it. So, after they asked for my credit card information, which I always do, zero, zero, zero, zeros, and so I put it in there. After that, it asked for my mother's maiden name.

Mike Gorday:

So clearly they wanted, they are just bold aren't they?

Nathan Mumm:

They wanted the mother's maiden name. Did you put in Smith? I said I don't know my mom. No, I didn't say any of that, I did but um. And then after that information, you click enter and it popped up with a whole bunch of code that it was trying to run on the back end and their website wasn't even active any longer. So I was very disappointed I spent about three minutes, four, putting all that information in there, and then they didn't use a single bit of that information.

Mike Gorday:

So see, so don't click on.

Speaker 7:

So their code, their code.

Nathan Mumm:

There you go. Their code must have gotten taken down by somebody else, or you can spill it all over yourself, mark.

Mike Gorday:

That's alcohol abuse.

Marc Gregoire:

I hit the mic. That's right, okay, oh, it smells good, though you get the aroma though, you get the aroma, you get the aroma perfume for the modern man od.

Nathan Mumm:

So should anybody click on a email that says that you need to do that?

Ody:

no, no no, and you should always look at the sender, look at the subject line, look at the general body of the email. Yeah, you know anything that tells you like do it now, don't, don't do it. You can wait on it.

Nathan Mumm:

All right.

Ody:

They'll call you if they really need you, that's exactly right.

Nathan Mumm:

If you don't respond in the email, they'll either come and break down your house or they'll call you, so one of those two. That way you can verify that you got it taken care of. All right, we're going to go next to Mr. I spilled the whiskey on myself. All right, mr Gregoire, you have a very interesting one here. I have a good one.

Marc Gregoire:

I'm going to do it a little backwards. Okay, so I'm going to go. It had an attachment.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Marc Gregoire:

And the attachment looks excellent. I will say it has actually the logo of the company it was being sent to in there, yep, and it's supposedly from the HR department, so it looks pretty valid.

Nathan Mumm:

They spent the time to put the logo in. It is Yep and it's the correct logo and it's got the correct company name and it's written really well.

Marc Gregoire:

It's like hello, nathan, we're pleased to inform you about a payroll adjustment, a revised salary approved performance-based review. Please scan this QR code to see what your new adjustments are. It's secure access. It says quick review, digital signature required, and it says the document has been shared securely and is intended for your review and acknowledgement.

Mike Gorday:

I mean it looks professionally done, it does I wish I could show this to our audience.

Nathan Mumm:

Scan the qr code well, so this is the email that got sent, because you click the subject this the subject wasn't very good.

Marc Gregoire:

Let's go back to that. If you look at the from number one, it's from your own email address.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Marc Gregoire:

So that's always a red flag. Yeah, the subject is EE Services Issued July 2025 Payroll Records and Earnings Commission Statement Now Available. That's valid, but the attachment is View Nathan in quotes important facts dot fax.

Nathan Mumm:

So like a fax machine? Yeah, but it has. But yet it's a pdf. You have to click on it.

Marc Gregoire:

So you have to click on it if they had done this without an attachment and just put this in the body it probably would have been much better.

Mike Gorday:

That would have been much better so there's your hint let's not teach them how to do it better. That's not what this is about.

Marc Gregoire:

This is about teaching other folks not to click on okay I could see nathan not falling for this, but I could see if this was sent to a whole company address book I will.

Nathan Mumm:

I'll bet you five percent would would they would they wouldn't, and and so it's really interesting that I didn't give myself a raise. So when you're a company of one person, you can pretty much know that that's not the case.

Mike Gorday:

Are you a company of one person?

Nathan Mumm:

Well, we're a very small company at EE Services, You're correct. So I would know if anybody and we do not have an HR department.

Mike Gorday:

I would have taken the chance. I would have taken the chance, I would have taken the opportunity.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so guess what happens when you scan it.

Marc Gregoire:

Maybe, your wife gave you a raise.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, there you go. So guess what happens when you scan the document itself? What happens?

Nathan Mumm:

It actually had an animated video of you actually looking to get all your documents filled out. It was like a 15-second video that was animated one of these online. So these people spent time. It shows you getting the raise, shows you a raise in a money bag, up like a monopoly guy, and you're really happy and all you have to do is continue to fill out this information. It said congratulations. So it's kind of like one of those short little 15 second cartoons that you would have had back in the eighties with the type of deal.

Mike Gorday:

Okay that you would have had back in the 80s with the type of deal.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay was there a virus attached to it. Well, there's no virus attached to it, but then the next thing that pops on up is it takes you to a URL that is not secure. So after you're done watching that, it automatically tries to take you to a webpage. Now I have Windows Defender on, so it would not.

Marc Gregoire:

It can't bring you to an. It says secure access in here. It says the document has been shared securely. You're lying to us no, no, it does.

Nathan Mumm:

It tries to take you to a website and, with my, with my, web locker well I'm sorry, I believe everything I read on the internet, you believe everything as anybody tells you. Okay, so what happens after that? It tried to take me to a website and what happened is, since I have windows defender, uh, nothing popped up. So Windows Defender detected that this was a bad URL and wouldn't let me proceed forward. So I had to go to another machine to see what actually would happen because of the virus. So I had to go back to an older, older machine that I have.

Nathan Mumm:

When I clicked on that, what it does is it takes you to a website and it makes it look like you're logging into like an ADP type portal. So they spent time, a lot of time and effort to really imitate what some of these companies may have used. I don't use ADP, so that was kind of like the first type of deal. And then it was asking you and it had enough information that it had scraped off the dark web from information regarding your name, your address, last known information, and it was asking you kind of the security questions and information when you go to do a loan finance where they ask you like three or four important questions tell me this information. So they have some type of database that was there and they are trying to get the answers so that they can then probably, in my best guess, then try to log in and represent you as a loan officer or somebody for a financial event.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is a big money event. They spent a lot of time to make it look right to actually try to probably go after your home loan or a car loan or some big item area where they would take over your credentials. So what's the lesson here? Don't click on stuff and be very careful item area where they would take over your credentials. So what's the lesson here? Don't click on stuff and be very careful.

Nathan Mumm:

Be very careful on a qr code that you get in an email. Now qr codes are becoming the new way that people are just clicking in the opening stuff on their phones without spending time finding out all right, you got.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know if I need to follow up on anything where. Why is that? Because you just spit a whole lot on that whole.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you got a nice one here. Well, I got one that looks real.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, it's from nelson brown, right the. The email is nelson b at hcd services dot ai. Okay, I would suss that, but you know okay.

Mike Gorday:

Well, the dot ai is probably a little bit of suspect instead of dot com or dot net yeah, hey, nathan, not every lead is created equal, and I'm guessing your team knows that better than anyone. Because why blah, blah, blah? No fluff, no spam, just smart outreach based on real buyer behavior. Want me to walk you through what this looks like in real life. And then it has schedule a call here, which you've highlighted. So I guess you you must have clicked on that stuff yes, let's take a look.

Nathan Mumm:

How does the the url start? So you're getting a call here from nelson b.

Mike Gorday:

Well, the url is serviceai and and this is this is. This is interesting because it's https forward slash, forward slash. Hsautovationprocom Okay, which sounds like a lead generator, okay, for car people.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so let's talk about that. So this is absolutely someone that wants to get available for a call. When you schedule a car call here, there is no way I can get a hold of nelson brown. Nelson brown is not available on this link at all. No way, no. So what it does is it said we're sorry that you didn't reach your intended to target. We'd like to get some more information about you. Can you give us your name, phone number and information? And if you continue to read through, you can see that it's an email marketing campaign. Yeah, and what what it's doing is?

Mike Gorday:

it is collecting data on half of it's collecting it's collecting lead information it is what it's doing.

Speaker 7:

It is it's say.

Mike Gorday:

It's saying that, uh, they're going to show you how leads are not the same, but by doing that they're collecting you as a lead so that some car guy out there can give you a call and ask you about your old beat up.

Nathan Mumm:

BMW or with no cup holders, that fit with no cup holders that fit.

Mike Gorday:

That's exactly right in your skin wallet.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, well, guess what, guys? That gets us all the way through our later segments. Now we're going to move on and we're going to go into our mike's mesmerizing moment. Welcome to mike's mesmerizing moment. What does mike have to say today? All right, mike, what technology feature in your car do you use the most?

Mike Gorday:

well, I use my screen the most.

Mike Gorday:

Use your interactive, my front screen, yeah, yeah yeah, that's what I use the most for my techno. I I guess I guess we should probably, you know, quantify or qualify this by saying, uh, I use the car as my main technology thing because I get in and I turn it on and I I drive away in it, but when I'm driving I have my screen open. Why? Because it has my maps, it has my music, it has all the stuff that I want to fiddle with, and when I driving around, not supposed to be fiddling with anything, you fiddle with them. Yeah, don't you? Don't you play with your? You don't have a touchscreen because you have an old car.

Marc Gregoire:

I don't have. I was going to say neither one of my cars.

Nathan Mumm:

Have any?

Marc Gregoire:

technology in it.

Nathan Mumm:

No, all my technology, I still have manual windows. Where are you? You're the tech people.

Mike Gorday:

You should be driving around in like.

Nathan Mumm:

Don't you remember that survey that we did, where all the technology is spying on you in these cars that we had like two years ago?

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, you know what. Everything is spying on me all the time, and anybody who wants to know that I vacuumed my carpet yesterday, good on you. What's?

Speaker 7:

that going to do for you and your whole data gathering.

Nathan Mumm:

So what's really interesting is Amazon. You know Amazon Alexa devices, which I have a bunch in my house. Itself Poor Amazon has to spend a lot of time making sure those devices are not listening to you and they have to appear to all these legal laws.

Nathan Mumm:

And all these other things do not have to do it, so it's a very interesting deal. I know that people still don't like having an Amazon Alexa in their house, and I can get that, but what I can say is that those poor people have to spend so much time getting clearances and allowing to have their devices in that I always feel much safer than I do any car manufacturer. After the article where the car manufacturers sell your data to everybody, that really makes me worried about anything I say or do in my car being recorded and being taken care of.

Mike Gorday:

Well, I don't know. I mean, I have a Roomba, you know, and every time I go to vacuum something, it sits around and spins around on the carpet A couple times, for a long time, okay, and then it stops and looks at me. So maybe that's something that I need to worry about. There you go. But, you know I'm not anti-technology. It does sound like it sometimes. But I have a problem with how we use the technology.

Nathan Mumm:

You're like a room of vacuuming.

Mike Gorday:

You're proud of Nathan and I for having non-technology cars. Yeah, I'm good with that, I'm fine with that. But I have a newer car. It has a touchscreen display. I plug my phone into it. It generates the maps and you know, if you live in the Pacific Northwest, you cannot drive around without a….

Nathan Mumm:

Up-to-date map yeah an up-to-date map.

Mike Gorday:

I used to be able to. Just I used to never have to use my Google.

Speaker 7:

Maps. Now you have to use it all the time.

Mike Gorday:

But yeah, I mean it's convenient. It's there so I can look at it. I don't have to take my eyes off the road and look down and I can just look at the screen to see what's going on. So it's convenient, it works. That's the kind of technology that makes my life better.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, thank you for that mesmerizing moment. Up next, we have this Week in Technology. So, now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we're going to be doing so during the break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes, hey. So you know what we need people to start liking our social media page If you like our show, if you really like us we could use your support on Patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

Is it Patreon? I think it's Patreon. Okay, patreon, if you really like us.

Nathan Mumm:

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Mike Gorday:

And you say I'm the English guy, I butcher the English language, you know, you butcher the.

Nathan Mumm:

English language all the time. Okay, so you know, you butcher the English language all the time. It's patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

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And you can visit us on that Facebook platform. You know the one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio. At Tech Time Radio, you know what? There's a trend here?

Mike Gorday:

It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech Time Radio, or you can even Instagram with us, and that's at Tech Time Radio.

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That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok, and it's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike Gorday:

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Nathan Mumm:

We need you to like us. Like us and subscribe. That's it. That's it. That's that simple. And now let's look back at this week in technology. All right, we're going back to july 31st 1971. Speaking of cars, this is the first man to drive on the moon using the battery-powered lunar roving vehicle, or the LRV. Astronaut David Scott on the Apollo 15 mission became the first person to drive a vehicle on the moon. The LRV was used during the last three missions to the moon Apollo 15, 16, 17. It's popularly called the Moon Buggy, a play on the term dune buggy In the video game. That's right. Built by Boeing, each LRV has a mass of 462 pounds without payload. It can carry a maximum payload of 970 pounds, including two astronauts, equipment and cargo, such as lunar samples. Is that moon gravity or earth gravity?

Nathan Mumm:

uh, I don't know I don't know I wouldn't guess that 970 pounds is probably uh well, that's it.

Mike Gorday:

That's a whole. That's a whole different thing on the moon.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, it could be. Maybe it could be double that or three times that, I don't know.

Mike Gorday:

The three.

Nathan Mumm:

LRVs, though used during the mission, still remain on the surface of the moon, still operational today. So I guess if you can jerry-rig yourself to get to the moon, you can go over and find one of these.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's my Uber for when I go there.

Nathan Mumm:

LRVs and then we can have like dune buggy races on the moon. Mike, we just got to figure out a way to get to the moon so that we can go out there and we can race these bad boys around.

Mike Gorday:

Well, let's just call up our good friend Elon, or maybe even Jeff.

Nathan Mumm:

Jeff Bezos hey, can we? Which is the one?

Mike Gorday:

with the weird rockets. That which is the one with the weird rockets? That's Bezos. That's Bezos. Yes.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. So there we go. All right, that was this week in tech. Do they have cup holders on them? I don't know if they have cup holders on them or not. They're probably not the right size, though. It'd probably be a smaller cup. You know that.

Mike Gorday:

Probably, I guess I shouldn't bring my water bottle.

Nathan Mumm:

That's, that was this week in technology. If you ever wanted to watch some tech time history, with over 260 plus weekly broadcasts spanning our four plus years of video, podcasts and blog information, you can visit us online at techtimeradiocom. We're going to take a commercial break. When we return. We have mark mumble whiskey review see after the break how to see a man about a dog.

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Speaker 1:

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Marc Gregoire:

Close to the end of July July 29th.

Speaker 1:

What are we?

Mike Gorday:

celebrating today. What are we celebrating?

Nathan Mumm:

today.

Mike Gorday:

Just give me space buddy.

Nathan Mumm:

What are we celebrating today, Mark?

Marc Gregoire:

Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day. Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day.

Mike Gorday:

Is that some religious thing that I don't know about?

Marc Gregoire:

No, the point of this holiday is to buy cheese specifically to sacrifice it by cutting a piece and putting it in a mousetrap. That way you can get rid of your house of mice every year. At least that seems to be the original idea behind it.

Mike Gorday:

How long has?

Marc Gregoire:

this been around. It's been quite a long time. Nowadays we have more humane methods of pest control. Plus, studies show that mice do not even like cheese.

Nathan Mumm:

Really, so you're putting all the cheese back on the cartons with the day.

Mike Gorday:

Can you imagine you have a little altar at home when you're, you're sacrificing cheese.

Nathan Mumm:

Be careful. You know there's a lot of things that get trendy, so if you start doing that out there you could have a whole group of followers that are cheese people.

Mike Gorday:

There we go.

Nathan Mumm:

I am the cheese god what is your uh religion going to be called cheesers?

Mike Gorday:

Oh, that's a good one.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, okay, all right, okay, continue on, mark. Sorry, we're excited about the cheese, cheesism, cheesism.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, like Vernism.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's go on. Vernism, never, mind Speaking of sacrifice.

Marc Gregoire:

Bringing in this whiskey today was a major one.

Nathan Mumm:

Uh-oh, wild Turkey Rare.

Marc Gregoire:

Breed NCF, which is non-chill filtered, is an absolute delicious pour and honestly it pains me to share it with these two palate challenge individuals, oh wow but here I am making noble sacrifices for the greater good of the show. Wow, wow I.

Marc Gregoire:

I have a sudden need to sacrifice something that's not cheese really yeah, okay, as mentioned earlier in the show, this is an export only product, which means it's not currently available in the us market. If you want to get your hands on this bottle and I'll bring the bottle for those watching there, it is whoo yep you will need to look for it abroad. I was fortunate enough to find this one at the duty-free store while driving back from canada ah, there you go okay there you go now wild turkey rare breed just the standard us release is one of my favorite pours, especially for the price.

Marc Gregoire:

It is robust and full of rich classic bourbon character. The non, non-chill filtered or the ncf version raises the bar slightly. It it smoothens out the spice, brings the flavors into better balance and enhances the mouthfeel. Is it worth picking up? Absolutely. Is it worth paying a premium for like on the secondary market? Not really. Standard rare breed is nearly as delicious and remains one of the best values in birth. What's the secondary market price? Well, if there are some people on this, since it's a abroad, they kind of double it, so you'd find it maybe for $80.

Speaker 7:

$80. Okay, okay, all right.

Mike Gorday:

Well, it's not worth that increasing cost. It's in Nathan's price range.

Nathan Mumm:

There you go Well, thank you, mark. Whiskey and technology such a great pairing like cheese and meat on a charcuterie board.

Mike Gorday:

Oh, did you heard?

Marc Gregoire:

that from before.

Mike Gorday:

Wow.

Nathan Mumm:

He changed it.

Speaker 7:

He just made that up.

Mike Gorday:

He just looked it up on the internet.

Nathan Mumm:

Hang on now. All right, now let's prepare for our technology fail of the week, brought to you by Elite Executive Services. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 7:

Oh, I failed. Did I yes, did I yes.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. This week, our technology fail comes to us from Microsoft. Darkness has fallen over the digital world. Hackers cloaked in the shadows have exploited a deadly flaw in Microsoft SharePoint software, a vulnerability so severe that it's being called this year's biggest data and system breach.

Nathan Mumm:

Over the weekend the company has rushed out to patch to slow the bleeding, but the damage is already done. Cyber criminals are targeting governments, corporations and institutions around the bleeding, but the damage is already done. Cyber criminals are targeting governments, corporations and institutions around the globe, slipping past defenses and infiltrating systems with alarming ease. Multiple malicious groups are exploiting this weakness. They already pierced the defense of European and Middle Eastern governments, and American agencies, including the Department of Education, the Florida Department of Revenue and even the Rhode Island General Assembly, are not safe from their reach. Well, they won't have to worry about. The Department of Education, the Florida Department of Revenue and even the Rhode Island General Assembly are not safe from their reach.

Marc Gregoire:

Well, they won't have to worry about the Department of Education for much longer.

Nathan Mumm:

In the shadows, these hackers have also infiltrated healthcare providers and universities across Southeast Asia. Their list of targets span continents including Brazil, canada, indonesia, spain, south Africa, switzerland, the UK and the US. Those aren't continents. The list't continents.

Mike Gorday:

Span's continent. Your AI-generated thing is Span's continents with these countries. With these countries. That's right. Let's defend the AI, All right.

Nathan Mumm:

Tens of thousands of organizations worldwide rely on SharePoint. Now the vulnerability of unseen enemy lurking within their networks. Microsoft's efforts to patch the flaw are only the beginning. The real danger, though, lies in what lurks beyond the surface of unseen enemy lurking within their networks. Microsoft's efforts to patch the flaw are only the beginning. The real danger, though, lies in what lurks beyond the surface of this. The vulnerabilities allow hackers to access sharepoint servers and steal keys that can let them to impersonate users or services. Even after the server is patched, hackers can maintain access through backdoors or modified components that can survive updates and reboots of these systems oh, that's pretty significant.

Nathan Mumm:

Yep cyber sector patching yep, cyber security researchers warn that 10 000 companies, primary in the us, the uk, the netherlands and canada, are an imminent danger. The threat is real, the danger is imminent and the shadow wars have already begun. So let's talk a little bit about this. So this is SharePoint vulnerability.

Nathan Mumm:

Now what happens with SharePoint is it's connected to Microsoft OneDrive, it's connected into Teams, it's connected into Outlook. So this SharePoint application, by default, is designed to incorporate all of the Microsoft technologies into one central location to share information. That's what SharePoint stands for is sharing information. And now that they have access to not only accounts but backend information, login information, credentials, the only way to really secure this would be to do all the patch updates, necessary Change every single account associated with SharePoint and anything that's taken care of. So any backend account that you may have, a username and password that runs for an automated service, will have to be changed, will have to be updated in code, and then what you'd have to do is you'd have to go in and create each one of those user accounts and move those user accounts so that they all had new IDs and information created for these to be safe.

Mike Gorday:

So nobody's going to do this because this is, or we could just get that guy that was in the first story and get Resplit to just delete it all. To delete it all.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is actually a really huge danger. The solution to it is to make sure you don't have an on-premise SharePoint, but use the cloud version. Let's say the cloud version was not compromised and that actually makes sense, because the way the cloud version works is it has plugins that connect from each of these devices back end in their office 365 suite. But if you have an onsite premise sharepoint server anywhere in your environment, the hackers have access to come into it and find out what's going on and to get all of your data. So this is pretty. This is very significant, very significant. All right, so we're gonna head on out here to our nathan nuggets, or we're not heading out to our nathan nugget what do we do?

Mike Gorday:

what are we doing?

Nathan Mumm:

oh, we're going whiskey okay, od says no nathan nugget, my nathan nugget. What do we do with odious? What are we doing? Oh, we're going whiskey. Okay, od says no nathan nugget. My nathan nugget was really good. It was about the 14 new updates that microsoft has. You know what? I'm going to talk about that on an off? Uh, shoot. So if you want to see me, I'm going to still talk about that and post it online. Uh, windows 11 is rolling out 14 new features, but now let's move into our whiskey pick of the day.

Speaker 1:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Marc Gregoire:

Well, today we're drinking the Wild Turkey Rare Breed, the non-chill filtered version, which is only available outside the United States. Straight bourbon from Wild Turkey Distillery 116.8 proof roughly 40 dollars, depending on exchange rate or what country you get it from yep, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

What are you giving it, mike? A thumbs up or thumbs down?

Marc Gregoire:

yep what's that?

Nathan Mumm:

thumbs up, buddy. Thumbs up. All right, if I gave this a thumb down, you would. You would be like mark would just go this isn't about popularity contest, buddy.

Mike Gorday:

If you didn't like it, put it with a thumbs down. I didn't really like it?

Nathan Mumm:

actually I did not. I think it was too much of a bite, so I'm going to be a connoisseur. I would absolutely buy it for the price point though, so I mean the $40 price point. This is interesting.

Marc Gregoire:

Your palate is getting worse and worse over time. The regular Wild Tricky, which is a little bit spicier, this one kind of smooths it out with a non-chill filter. You gave that a big thumbs up last time Did I? Really.

Ody:

I checked the record.

Marc Gregoire:

Did you check the record? Huge thumbs up.

Ody:

Knowing what you know about this whiskey, would you drive over to the border to?

Nathan Mumm:

get it.

Ody:

Probably not Because how much is it on the secondary?

Mike Gorday:

$80.

Ody:

Did you pay $80 for this whiskey?

Mike Gorday:

No, no Okay.

Ody:

Would I pay?

Nathan Mumm:

$40? You would barely pay $40 for it.

Ody:

Yes, but you'd have to pay for gas as well. Are you considering that? I know so $40.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, so again. Yeah, I am considering that. I just didn't. It was too much of a bite for me.

Mike Gorday:

So let me understand what you're saying you don At the original cost by driving the candidate to get it, but not drink it.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, because then I could sell it on the secondary market.

Marc Gregoire:

I'm almost tempted to leave it here with you to try a little bit more, because it is tough. This was our first pour of the day. It's 116, almost 117 proof. That's a tough first pour, but after you've had another drink or it's in as you've had another food.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about, because the first, the first sip is the hard sip, okay, and then it smooths out and is nice and has this really nice spice and finish.

Ody:

I don't know what your problem yeah, but you're becoming a connoisseur and nathan is not well, yeah, that's true.

Nathan Mumm:

So I you know what I'm going to put a thumbs down on this one okay I, I just it was just not the same. You know, know, mark, mark, mark can take it home cause he, he, he will definitely like that. All right, I had to bring it in cause.

Marc Gregoire:

I just got this bottle and I was going to finish it before I made it to the show and I'm like, okay, I got to bring it to these.

Nathan Mumm:

You got to bring it to the show, so I was right in my mumbles that I should change it.

Marc Gregoire:

instead of two palette challenge individuals, I will change in the future.

Mike Gorday:

My apologies, Mike.

Marc Gregoire:

I really don't appreciate that. You have my sincere apology. It's one challenge, palette Alright okay.

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