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EP 244: How Mark Zuckerberg's Actions in China Reveal Big Tech's True Priorities, Guest Nick Espinosa, Waymo + Uber Is This Combination Going to Work? Plus, Microsoft's Game AI, and New Portable Game Unit | Air Date: 3/18 - 3/24/2025

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 244

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Ever wondered what happens when technology designed to serve us starts serving other masters? This week's episode dives deep into the troubling intersection of technological advancement and corporate interests that often leave users vulnerable.

Uber's rollout of Waymo autonomous vehicles in Austin marks an exciting milestone in driverless technology, but our analysis reveals persistent safety concerns these companies would rather you didn't focus on. With Waymo expanding beyond its controlled testing environments into everyday transportation, we explore what this means for passenger safety and the future of mobility.

When Roblox CEO Dave Baszucki told concerned parents they simply shouldn't let their kids use his platform if they're worried about safety, we were stunned. With 80 million daily users (40% under age 13), this hands-off approach to platform safety reveals how even spaces designed primarily for children can prioritize growth over protection. Our cybersecurity expert, Nick Espinosa, joins us to unpack this shocking stance and what it means for digital parenting.

The most chilling revelation comes from former Facebook employee Sarah Wynn Williams, who claims Mark Zuckerberg was willing to implement extreme censorship systems for the Chinese government and even deactivate a Chinese dissident's account at their request – all to gain access to the Chinese market. This disturbing case study shows how far tech giants may go when profit motives clash with democratic values.

From North Korean spyware infiltrating the Google Play Store to AI search engines that are wrong a staggering 60% of the time, we're tracking the technologies that threaten your security and access to accurate information. We close with a look at Microsoft's upcoming handheld gaming device codenamed "Keenan" that aims to challenge Nintendo's dominance in portable gaming.

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Speaker 1:

Broadcasting across the nation, from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading-edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, mmmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm.

Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go mmmm. Technology news of the week.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, that was awkward.

Nathan Mumm:

The show for the everyday person talking about technology, Broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mumm, your host and technologist, with over 30 years of technology expertise. As you heard coming on in with the awkward comment that was our co-host, Mike Rodea, he's in studio today. He's an award-winning author and our human behavior expert. We are live streaming during our show on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, Twitchtv, Facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom forward slash techtimeradio. We are friends from different backgrounds, but we bring the best technology show possible weekly for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odi, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1:

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. Today on Tech Time Radio, we unravel the secrets and uncover whispers of the unknown. A peculiar glitch in the Microsoft Outlook has surfaced. Is it a bug or is it something else? The dynamic project codename Keenan has tech insiders buzzing. Could it redefine the gaming battlefield? Speaking of games, microsoft's latest AI for games teases a future that feels almost too good to be true. Now, our guest today is Nick Espinosa. He's going to be exploring the shadows that linger as North Korean spyware creeps into unexpected places.

Mike Gorday:

Did you watch a horror movie this weekend or something what?

Nathan Mumm:

is this Then a curious move by Mark Zuckerberg in China raises unsettling questions about power and influence. Finally, a tale from the past the birth of the first battery reminds us of how innovation shapes destiny. What lies beneath these stories? Stay tuned and find out.

Nathan Mumm:

I've been watching a whole bunch of Severance season two you know what you know you got to make a story about nothing and then make a whole bunch of unique things Season 2. So you know what? You've got to make a story about nothing and then make a whole bunch of unique things about nothing, and then have it all come together and millions of people will watch it. And that's what a successful TV show is.

Mike Gorday:

Have you been watching Severance Season 2? No, I don't watch it. I don't have that service, so you get no answer.

Nathan Mumm:

So it is like Lost on steroids, where you go to seasons four of loss where like makes no sense.

Mike Gorday:

You got flash forwards, individual stuff, okay so that's I thought and you thought that would be the great way to start today's show is by talking nothing about nothing that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right, it just sounded. It sounded really mysterious, though, didn't it okay, not really it sounded.

Mike Gorday:

It sounded like you were reaching for something okay well, oh, is that we?

Nathan Mumm:

is that what I want to reach to no no, no, no, Okay, all right. In addition, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail the week and a possible Nathan nugget and, of course, our pick of the day whiskey tastings to see if our whiskey picks gets through on our monthly challenge. So Mark will be in here to go through. So we got lots of alcohol to drink today. What do you think about that? That's great.

Ody:

That always makes for a good show yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

That makes for a good show. All right, you know what? Let's not keep our guests waiting. Let's move on now to the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right Story. Number one Uber riders in Austin can be paired up with Waymo autonomous vehicles. Let's go to Crenn Westland for more on this story.

Speaker 7:

We've been delighted at the positive feedback from our Waymo One riders to date and we can't wait to bring the comfort, convenience and safety of the Waymo driver to cities, in partnership with Uber. Waymo's mission is to be the world's most trusted driver and we're excited to launch this expanded network and operations partnership with Uber in Austin and Atlanta to bring the benefits of fully autonomous driving to more riders, said Takedra Mawakana, co-ceo of Waymo. This is going to be an interesting combo. You know it could be worse they could be driving Teslas around.

Mike Gorday:

Back to you guys in the studio. Oh wow, corinne wesley got in there with a little uh humor there all right, let's talk about that.

Nathan Mumm:

Sure, all right. Uh, uber riders in austin can now pair up with waymo autonomous vehicles.

Mike Gorday:

Remember, isn't waymo, the, the, the car that like couldn't drive through the, the parking lot where the guy kept on going in the circle, that couldn't drive through the parking lot where the guy kept on going in the circle that we talked about.

Nathan Mumm:

That was a big social sensation. Yeah, but it was also the one that wrecked a bunch of stuff in Arizona because of construction zones, yeah, and is also failing in San Francisco too. I really need to do that let's go to Austin.

Mike Gorday:

I really need to do that.

Nathan Mumm:

Nothing's better than when you get on yourber app and you now have the option to choose an autonomous driving uh individual from the company waymo. So just think about all these lucky people that are now able to access driverless vehicles. In austin, texas, now uber says that texas city is requiring. They have uber x, uber green, uber comfort, uber comfort electric, and now you can opt in for the potential match. They have Uber X, uber Green, uber Comfort, uber Comfort Electric, and now you can opt in for the potential match of one of the electric Jaguar one-pace vehicles. If it's available, there is no additional cost. So if you actually have an opportunity, I only use Uber.

Mike Gorday:

I do Uber X.

Nathan Mumm:

Did you know that there was Uber Comfort and Uber Comfort Electric? Yeah, there's so many of these. Now you know how much I an Uber.

Mike Gorday:

Comfort and Uber Comfort Electric. Yeah, no, I don't. There's so many of these now. You know how much I use Uber, how much Like no, never.

Nathan Mumm:

I use it when I travel, but I did not know that there was now five classifications For those who choose to go driverless. When Waymo arrives, you'll be able to unlock the vehicle, open the trunk and begin the trip from the Uber app directly. Currently, austin users can travel anywhere within the city's 35-square-mile radius. If any issue comes up, of course, you have your 24x7 customer support that's available both inside the car and through the Uber app. Safety has long been the forefront of the company. For Waymo, which reached the milestone of surpassing 25 million miles on the road last year and 5 million rides, four millions of those were in 2024, totaling 1 million hours on the road. The Mountain View, california-based company claims it has helped avoid more than 6 million kilograms of carbon dioxide emissions. So there you go.

Mike Gorday:

Well, that's nice yeah yeah, let's applaud For those who want a better chance of getting a Waymo RoboTaxi.

Nathan Mumm:

Uber suggests going into the rider's preference selection and opting in through the settings there. While Austin was just announced, uber and Waymo are already working on expansion to Atlanta soon as employees are currently testing the integrated program there to see if it can be successful in their current locations, including San Francisco, phoenix and Los Angeles. There you go.

Mike Gorday:

Thank you for using Johnny cab. There you go.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh well, I don't know about this. I mean, I we had Phil Hennessy back on the time when we talked about this. So if you do look at the locations, these are San Francisco, phoenix, los Angeles. None of them have snow, that's predominant, except for Atlanta will now. So I don't know what's going to happen with Atlanta.

Mike Gorday:

Everybody gets snow at some point. So you know that's always a concern, because now they can't see the designations on the roads, I mean remember a couple, was it last year, the year before, when Texas got this like week-long blizzard?

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Mike Gorday:

And what's his name? Like took off, yeah, and they had to like make wood out of fireplace from the side, yeah, so, yeah, the fact that they're saying it doesn't get snow, well, that's a lie, yeah, I mean, it doesn't get snow Well, that's a lie. Yeah, well, that's interesting. I mean, it doesn't get snow often, but even you know, I'm from Arizona, so we got snow and ice.

Nathan Mumm:

You know, I just want the flying car. Let's just go right to the flying car.

Mike Gorday:

I'll have somebody drive the flying car, I just want to go there Until either everybody is in one of these things or you know it's just gonna be, what are you gonna say?

Nathan Mumm:

I'm not gonna. Oh, he's anxious, what he's saying I have two things.

Ody:

One for the customer service that's available 24 7. Do you think they have to wait 15 minutes before they actually speak to somebody and then? Two if you, if we can't even get autonomous vehicles in check, what makes you think we're anywhere closer to humans driving flying vehicles? Well, I don't you know what're anywhere closer to humans driving flying vehicles well, I don't you know what well that's a.

Nathan Mumm:

That's from nathan I want the flying vehicles and I'll take those. With somebody driving it for me, I'll be okay with that, but somebody yeah. Well, okay, just think of a license to be that driver. Hybrid vehicle I would sign up for that, that would be a job.

Ody:

She's like, she's, she's excited, yes well people are licensed now and they drive like idiots so, so, nothing better.

Nathan Mumm:

When you get in a car, wreck up and up in the air, what happens? You fall to the ground.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, you know, I think, I think I think you took a little bit too much away from the star wars prequels, did I? Yeah, you know it's not going to be that ordered, okay, all right, all right, you know what?

Nathan Mumm:

I can't wait for story number two here. Mike, you're up, though. Let's talk about this.

Mike Gorday:

Let's talk about okay, do you know what roblox is? I, I, I do, I do a little bit, yes, okay. So, if you don't know, uh, roblox is a gaming platform for kids that are predominantly, you know, 8 to 12.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay. So it's kind of like a Minecraft type of knockoff.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, kind of. It's like this really low-grade graphic thing. My kids played it for a while. It was like a little shooter game. Okay, I don't know what they do now, but I hear about it. But at any rate, for parents who are worried about their children being on Roblox and getting bullied or groomed which has been some of the concerns Roblox's CEO came to the rescue and let them know what to do. Oh, okay, what can we do to help that he? He said just don't let your kids get on roblox.

Mike Gorday:

What yep, the ceo said that the yep okay the site, which is most popular among young gamers aged 8 to 12, yeah, has been dogged by claims of some children being exposed to explicit or harmful content through his games. Alongside multiple reported allegations of bullying and grooming, its co-founder, ceo, dave Bazzucchi, insisted that the company is vigilant in protecting its users and pointed out that tens of millions of people have amazing experience on the site. And when asked what his message to parents who don't want their children on the platform, he basically said my first message to me if you're not comfortable, don't let your kids be on Roblox.

Nathan Mumm:

Doesn't that kind of go against advertising to try to build your platform?

Mike Gorday:

Well, you know there is. I see I see part of the point. You know, you know, um, we talk about this quite a bit. Uh, one of the ways of curbing these types of problems is, you know, don't use them, okay. So us-based roblox is one of the world's largest game platforms, with more monthly users than the nintendo switch and sony playstation combined wow, that's a lot in 2024, it averaged more than 80 million players per day, roughly 40% of them below the age of 13.

Mike Gorday:

Its vast empire includes some 40 million user-generated games and experience.

Nathan Mumm:

She said 80 million players per day.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's what it says. Oh my word wow that's a lot of players. The CEO says he remains confident in roblox's safety tools and this just insists yeah, the firm goes above and beyond to keep its users safe, which you know everybody does like but if you're really worried about it, just don't have your kids play it.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, okay he basically says we watch for bullying, we watch for harassment, we filter all of those kind of things and I would say, behind the scenes, the analysis goes all the way to, if necessary, reaching out to law enforcement okay players who choose not to display what he calls civility can face temporary timeouts and longer bans. You know that that works all the time, and roblox puts your kid in the corner.

Nathan Mumm:

Puts your kid in the corner, is that you're gonna're going to do Timeout?

Mike Gorday:

Okay, robux claims to analyze all communications that pass between members on the platform. So you know, that's a little sus. Okay, that's a little suspect. If you have 80 million people playing on this thing and they're chatting and talking to each other, there's no way you're, there's no way you're, I don't.

Nathan Mumm:

Unless just someone reports somebody.

Mike Gorday:

Well, you know they're using more advanced AI systems and stuff. But you know, hey.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm sure that's working out well for them.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's like you know, Xbox does this too on certain games that.

Nathan Mumm:

I play. Yeah, did you get banned?

Mike Gorday:

Did you in the chat features where if you type a series of letters it will block it out of the chat. Right, okay, uh, but like profanities and certain.

Mike Gorday:

Well, you would think no but you could type certain things like the t-h-e yeah, and it'll block the entire sentence up because he puts the in there, okay. So, yeah, it works really good. All All right. In November of last year, under-13s were banned from sending direct messages and also from playing in Hangout Experience, which features chats between players. Mr Bazooki admits there's a. Why are CEO names just really out there, bazooki?

Nathan Mumm:

Bazooki, because he got teased so much in school that he figured out that he had to go be a. Ceo of a company. There you go, yeah.

Mike Gorday:

Admits that. He admits that there's a delicate balance between encouraging friendships between young people and blocking opportunities before them to come to harm. But he says he is confident that Roblox can manage both. He describes his job as a little like having the opportunity he had a long time ago when he was designing the magic kingdom okay, so he worked at disney.

Nathan Mumm:

Huh, yeah, yeah, I think he did well, I don't know.

Mike Gorday:

This sounds like an al gore thing, uh, does it?

Nathan Mumm:

yeah he designed the magic kingdom I actually I think walt did that, didn't well actually do that? Well, I don't know before he passed away I'm pretty sure you did.

Mike Gorday:

I thought so, but you know okay okay, whatever. So anyway, he is focusing on roblox's ongoing evolution into a metaverse style experience where people go about their daily lives in a virtual world in avatar form. All right, asked to describe roblox roblox in three words, he replies the future of communication. That's four words.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you wrote three words Actually. No, that's what he did. He actually responded. When he was asked to describe Roblox, he responded the future of communication.

Mike Gorday:

So if you're concerned, which is, I mean, that's valid.

Marc Gregoire:

Yeah.

Mike Gorday:

If you're concerned about your child doing it, don't let him play Roblox. Okay, that's cool.

Nathan Mumm:

Let him play Minecraft instead.

Speaker 8:

Yeah, let him play Minecraft. Yeah, Minecraft.

Mike Gorday:

I don't think you can chat and contact each other in.

Nathan Mumm:

Minecraft, you cannot.

Mike Gorday:

You know, the funny thing is that that's his. He's like eh, don't worry about it hey, if you don't like it, just go go that that that tells you his his sort of customer service he's made.

Nathan Mumm:

He's made millions.

Mike Gorday:

He's like man, that's all right, go someplace you don't like it, go, uh, get out, get on out of here all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Can't you wait for story number three? Here's what we got. Microsoft says oops on a current bug feature. Or is it a way to have people move forward? The button to restore classic outlook is broken. Uh, or is it a way to have people move forward? The button to restore classic Outlook is broken. Or is it a way to force you an upgrade? Microsoft is investigating a known issue that causes the new Outlook email client to crash when the user clicks go to the classic Outlook button. I've actually experienced this myself. So if you get the new version, they're trying to upgrade to the new version of Outlook and then gives you this little switch button at the very top and it says you can go back. If you do that, best of luck, because it's going to crash your Outlook and you're going to have problems doing that For Microsoft are they really into doing hinky stuff like this?

Nathan Mumm:

They kind of want to force their users in a non-aggressive way. So this is the passive-aggressive way to get you.

Mike Gorday:

I mean they totally said that we were going to have Windows 10 forever, and you know suddenly Windows 11 came out.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm on Windows 11. Yeah, me too, okay. So some users reported that the go back to classic Outlook button and the new Outlook for Windows does not open and they have to go to a support article on how to download classic Outlook for Windows. The company said on Wednesday Well, looking into the issue, redmond also provides affected with a temporary workaround which requires them to install the classic client by clicking a store link in the Microsoft store to reload it.

Nathan Mumm:

Now those who want to switch back can download the standalone Outlook classic, as long as you're on a Windows platform but don't have a Mac, because if you do that and move from the classic version to the new version, there is no going back ever. All right, now if you are on Windows Server 2016 or Windows Server 2019, don't be using the classic Outlook, because it will do what they consider a control alt delete, which means it will reboot the server when you try to actually launch the app. So if you want to get your server up and running and you want to do a clean reinstall, all you got to do is go back and install the classic outlook, launch it and see what happens now. Is this a coincidence or they're making some trouble so that it's so bad to move back to the old outlook. You just move on.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I'm, I'm thinking maybe this is a really good way to see if there's going to be a lot of complaining about it. If there's too much, they can be like oh, it was just a bug, it was just a bug, but if not, they're like hey, okay, we're just going to go forward. That's right, you know, we've been talking to Dave Buzucki. He says if you don't like it, just don't use it, that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

That is our top technology stories of the week. When we return, nick Espinosa from Security Fanatics will join the show. What cybercrime do we have to worry about today, and is AI going to take over the world? We'll find out next. You're listening to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. See you after the commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm:

All right, welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts, we do it with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. But today Mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is back. He has our monthly tradition. Mark explain what we do with the Whiskey Month tasting to all of our new listeners.

Marc Gregoire:

Yeah. So today we're doing the 2024 Flavor Advent Calendar Round 3. So we're using the 2024 Flavor Whiskey Advent Calendar with 24 remarkable whiskeys to use for our year-long blind whiskey competition to see which one Nathan and Mike like best. So everybody, please come along for the ride once every month. While they uncover new tastes and train their senses to become true connoisseurs, today is round three, where they will choose their winner to move on to the semifinals. If they disagree, of course, I am the deciding vote.

Marc Gregoire:

Now, while you drink your four whiskeys, I'm going to fill people in a little bit about some whiskey, okay. So today our samples are different types of whiskeys. What is whiskey? It's defined as spirits distilled from fermented mash of grain at less than 95% alcohol by volume so that's 190 proof Having the taste, aroma and characteristics generally attributed to whiskey and bottled at not less than 80 proof. Now, according to the tax and trade bureau, there are no fewer than 41 different categories of spirits that are legally whiskey in the united states. Okay to be bourbon, for instance, additional specifications need to be met, such as made in the us 51, age in a new chart, oak container, etc. Therefore, all bourbon is whiskey, but not all whiskey is bourbon. So how are your four tasting today?

Nathan Mumm:

I had one that I think tasted like turpentine, and the other three I'm actually pretty good with.

Mike Gorday:

All right.

Nathan Mumm:

What did you think, Mike?

Mike Gorday:

All of them taste pretty good to me.

Nathan Mumm:

Did they taste pretty good? How about this one right here?

Mike Gorday:

This is our tall glass the tall glass what do you think that that fell?

Nathan Mumm:

in the third place. Okay, that's, that was kind of my lowest of the deals and I actually kind of started out with the the heavy uh drinking of this bad boy right here.

Marc Gregoire:

I kind of like that one, but it was a little and to give you guys a hint, none of these whiskeys are from the us.

Mike Gorday:

Really, that's correct, are they Asian?

Marc Gregoire:

Oh, they're throughout the world.

Mike Gorday:

Oh, okay, okay, All right, all right. I know one was tasted very like it was from Japan.

Marc Gregoire:

One of them was Japanese. Which one was that?

Nathan Mumm:

This one right here. This one right here.

Marc Gregoire:

Is that the one in the Glencairn? Is that correct? No, oh, glencairn, is that correct? No, yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, I can't forget what I said. Then how about this one?

Mike Gorday:

No, how about this?

Marc Gregoire:

one. No it was the one I don't like.

Nathan Mumm:

It was this one, I hear. We just have to re-edit the show there so we can say that it was the first one.

Nathan Mumm:

Alright, well, I can't wait for us to taste more. Japan is pretty much out of the running. All right, with our first whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment. Today, our technology expert, nick Espinosa, is joining the show. Nick is an expert in cybersecurity and network infrastructure. He has consulted with clients ranging from small business to the Fortune 100 level. In 1998, at the age of 19, nick founded Windy City Networks, which was later acquired in 2015. He then created Security Fanatics, where he's the chief security fanatic. We welcome Nick to the Comcast video stream to start our next segment.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts With our tech time radio expert, Nick Espinoza.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, nick. Welcome back to the show. Now tell a little bit about yourself to any of our new listeners that are joining the program.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah, hey guys, hey guys, and first things first Mike Severance is awesome, so he needs to watch it, doesn't he I? Can't stop watching it. Also, I will say that Waymo also, they've gotten like 600 tickets in San Francisco for parking and stuff. So take that for what it's worth. But yes, I am Nick Espinosa, the chief security fanatic of Security Fanatics, and I am solely here to guard Nathan's American chickens from Chinese surveillance.

Ody:

There you go.

Nick Espinosa:

That's my whole thing.

Mike Gorday:

But yes, I thought you were into all that stuff. Was that the surveillance stuff, whole? Thing? But yes, I thought you were into all that stuff?

Nathan Mumm:

Was that the surveillance stuff? Actually, you know what? I do have a live stream for our chickens. We that we put up, which is actually ran by Russian people that are just broadcasting and probably grabbing a lot of information from us. There you go. All right, a lot from your chicken, there you go. I do like my chickens a lot. We do a whole bunch coming, I'll tell you. With the egg crisis right now, our chickens are doing fine, yeah.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, that gold right there, that gold in your backyard, that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, Nick, let's talk. North Korea has been busy. All right, we have some Android spyware that has slipped into Google Play. Can you explain a little bit about what is happening with our friends from North Korea?

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, first things first. I believe it's pronounced best Korea, according to them, so just throwing that out there. But, yes, you're 100% right. We are talking about what is called an APT or Advanced Persistent Threat Group that is essentially being tracked, and they're known as SCARCRAFT or APT 37. And they've essentially been operating since 2012. And they really haven't focused on this kind of work before. They focused on a couple of countries in Asia, middle East, eastern Europe, et cetera, et cetera, and now they're deploying malware, and so this is obviously a huge thing.

Nick Espinosa:

As you mentioned, they've been infecting Android devices, essentially with malware intended to spy on both Korean and English speakers. Now, this malware is known as CoSpy and it was essentially found by Look security and they thought they spotted this in the google play store, infecting third-party uh apps as well as third-party app stores as well. And here we are and it is gathering a ton, a metric ton, of sensitive data because, well, spies got a spy right. So we are talking. If it gets into your phone call logs, text messages, files, audio screenshots, your location, a whole bunch of stuff. It's kind of akin, uh, to the pegasus talking if it gets into your phone call logs, text messages, files, audio screenshots your location, a whole bunch of stuff. It's kind of akin to the Pegasus infection on Apple, but it's not as persistent.

Nick Espinosa:

Now this malware has been embedded into bogus utility apps, and so some of these apps have titles like File Manager, which sucks, because I love that one I'm just kidding, all right and also like Software Update Utility and something called Kakao Security, which I'm guessing is focusing on Korea, and this is all according to Lookout. Google has taken this down, but even though Google has taken down all these known infected apps and updated their threat databases for this, there's still a lot of people out there that still have them on their phones and are running these things that, quite frankly, you should be listening to tech time radio, you know what?

Nathan Mumm:

So here's we have a question, because people say well, you know what, I can't find it in the store any longer and I removed it from my device, so I don't have to worry about it. Is that really true? It just because you remove the app that was once installed, or it's no longer in the store, does that clean your phone from these Android spyware?

Nick Espinosa:

No, no, no. This isn't like Flappy Bird, where you're just removing it and it's innocuous and all that kind of stuff and you can never get it back. What a lot of malware does is sideload other things. So in other words, you get this there, it starts phoning home and it starts downloading and evading permissions and installing other apps, other types of infections as well, to maintain persistence, aka advanced persistent threat persistence, so you can remove file manager or whatever else it's called, and you may still be infected. It's a huge problem that we've got, which is why on Android, we third-party antiviral solutions that will basically scan and check all apps, all files, et cetera, et cetera, so you don't have to necessarily wipe and redo your phone, which unfortunately happens in a lot of cases.

Mike Gorday:

Do you have a recommendation for which app to use?

Nick Espinosa:

Are we talking brands?

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I'm sure Avast is not one of them.

Nick Espinosa:

Well, I guess I'll skip that recommendation then. No, so the one that's been consistently good over years. There's a German outfit I can never remember their name, but every month they test all the major Android antivirus solutions and in the top three, consistently, year over year or month over month, I should say has been Bitdefender. And so Bitdefender has actually been really solid on Android, and so if you've got an Android, they've got a free version and they got one for like 14 bucks or something like that, but either way, that's good. Interestingly enough, virustotal also has an app as well that you can go ahead and download for free. That will go ahead and scan all of your apps against the VirusTotal database, and I'm a big fan of that. Perfect.

Nathan Mumm:

That's great, All right, Now let's continue on. Mark Zuckerberg was caught bending over backwards, and to help well, that's I'm sorry, Was he bending over backwards? No, no to placate the Chinese, to the point where he deleted a Facebook profile. What's going on here, nick? Let's talk about this.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, and in obvious news Mark Zuckerberg is a terrible human being there you go.

Marc Gregoire:

That's my opinion officially.

Nick Espinosa:

I don't think that's news, nick, yeah, and for the record, this radio show is about to go from open bar to a 12-step program, literally In the next four to five months, that's right.

Nick Espinosa:

So here's what this is. Zuckerberg essentially was willing to go to just the absolute, insane lengths to both censor content and shut down political dissent on Facebook, and this was basically a failed attempt to get the approval of the Chinese Communist Party, because he really, really, really wanted Facebook in China, world's largest population of tech users right Now. This complaint was leveled by a former employee, sarah Wynn Williams. She worked basically on a team handling the China policy for Facebook, aka Meta, and essentially wrote a book that made Meta show up in court with an army of lawyers to basically get it stopped from being distributed and also to stop her from promoting it. And literally, like two days ago, the court said yes, you get a temporary injunction, meta. So Sarah has to shut up, unfortunately, and her book can't be distributed at this moment, which really, really sucks. So with that, here we are, and, for the record, I mean she's doing the cyber lord's work here, so I'm a big fan.

Nick Espinosa:

Wynne Williams, for the record, alleged that Meta was so desperately trying to get in the China's market that it offered some of the most insane, horrific surveillance things that you would never want any American company to do. So they were Meta Facebook Zuckerberg was going to give the ruling party the ability to oversee all social media content appearing in China and crushing dissent opinions. They also were going to build a customized censorship system just for China in 2015 and plan to install a chief editor that essentially, basically could look at things like social unrest, shut down sites, all this kind of stuff. And, for the record, that chief editor would not have been a Facebook employee. It would have been a member of the Chinese Communist Party that essentially ran the entire censorship program.

Nick Espinosa:

We are talking about going onto a free and open platform saying something negative about China. Get them in square, it's about whatever, and they're able to shut it down and then go arrest their citizen. It's absolutely nuts. Zuckerberg also agreed to crack down on the account of a high-profile Chinese dissident living in the United States. The Communist Party wanted him to essentially kill the Facebook profile and pages of this dissident here living here in the United States, and he did it. And then they told Facebook, said we don't know what happened, must have been a glitch, blah, blah, blah, so like. So this is absolutely nuts. And then when, when Facebook and Zuckerberg were actually asked about all of these efforts to enter China, facebook executives, uh, executives, uh just repeatedly, and I quote, stonewalled and provided non-responsive or misleading information and quote to investors and American regulators. So he's a terrible human being. And you're also talking to the guy that did a video years ago that went viral, called it's Time to Put Mark Zuckerberg in Jail. So ask me what I really think.

Mike Gorday:

So Zuck is simping to China to get his platform over there because Facebook is for Meta? Yeah, he was, because Meta is on the way out.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah, and he pulled an Eric Cartman for the record too, because what happened was China told him to go pound sand and he said I'll do what I want. And then he basically went in front of the American public media Congress whatever and said China's like the worst place ever for censorship and everything else, when he was more than willing to do it.

Mike Gorday:

Was this before or after he gave? Gave a million dollars to the trump campaign, or you mean the inauguration I think it was all before. This is all before, okay so now he's sucking back up, sucking back up to the us government.

Nathan Mumm:

So all I say is that we've talked about this before. You know what we would love for you to join tech time radio on blue sky, our social media platform that we're pushing pretty heavily right now, cause you know what? There's a lot of great things. I know it's kind of more of an equivalent to an X replacement, but I think the social media blue sky can continue to grow. So find us there on tech time radio. Do you have a blue sky account there and also a Nick?

Nick Espinosa:

At Nick a ESP.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, there you go at Nick.

Nick Espinosa:

AESP. Oh, there you go and it's verified, so maybe it's my website now. Okay, there you go, but either way, I have a verified Blue Sky account.

Nathan Mumm:

Perfect, All right. A new study shows that AI search engines are horribly inaccurate. Now we've covered this also. So Mike is going to be so excited today because he's been saying this forever. Explain to us your feedback on this, because we kind of communicated back and forth on this a bit.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah. So this one is well I mean in an obvious news right. So the Tao Center for Digital Journalism recently basically challenged eight AI search engines to a test, and we're talking about the heavy hitters of basically the search engines here. So ChatGPT, search for Perplexity and Perplexity, pro Gemini from Google, deepseek search, the pro-China AI that they released to the world, elon Musk's Grok 2 and Grok 3 search engine, microsoft Copilot, and all that, and they tested them for accuracy and they basically recorded how frequently the tools refused to answer as well. So could it actually answer the question or tell you it couldn't, or does it just answer everything? Or you know, hey, is it answering and how accurate is it? And so, by virtue of that, their testing criteria was pretty solid.

Nick Espinosa:

But let's dive into the results, because I don't think you want me speaking for 20 minutes on their actual testing criteria and the results. For the record, they ain't great. So, other than both versions of perplexity, the AI did terribly Collectively, on average, they were inaccurate 60% of the time. Meaning every time you were asking it as a search engine, something, 6 out of 10 times you weren't getting something accurate, whether it was partially or fully inaccurate. That's insane.

Nick Espinosa:

Now the problem that we have here and Mike can speak to this as well is the psychology behind this, at least on the human side, is that we, as humans, tend to take these results as authoritative. And so if it is basically sucking up Russian disinformation you know which I did a podcast on that like a week ago and spitting it back out to you like the chat GPTs of the world tend to do that you're taking that as gospel because, quite frankly, it seems authoritative like a standard Google search does. Oh, and for the record, chat GPT would answer every flippant question it was asked, even if it didn't have an answer, compared to Microsoft's copilot, which only answered 96 out of the 200 questions that it was asked, so less than half. But I would rather have an AI say I don't know how to answer that than straight up lie to me, you know, and that's the thing, those narcissist AIs.

Nick Espinosa:

There it is. There it is, but the worst of it, the worst of it by far, was El Capitan de Doge's AI Grok. You know that was the worst. Like 94% of the time it was inaccurate. So take that for what it's worth. But here we are.

Nathan Mumm:

You can go back to last week's episode with James, and he said that too right he said, all the medical journals that are being submitted are inaccurate. So now, all of a sudden, the large language model has inaccurate information on the medical side of things, and then that becomes just fact, even though it was never peer-reviewed or anything to that.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, it sort of brings up the question. You know, if one of them is outlandishly out of touch, where is it feeding its information from?

Nick Espinosa:

Right. Well, in the case of Gemini, it was getting it from the onion, because it told all of us health-wise to eat a rock a day back six months ago, or whatever, you know, did you have something to?

Nathan Mumm:

say mark, it looked like you were gonna say okay, all right, okay. Last but not least, we're gonna end on a high note. All right. The federal workers at the general service administration, known as the gsa, have been replaced by a chat bot from the doge group that has been called no better than an intern. Explain this story to us, nick.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah, so this one's absolutely I don't even know what to do. We all know that Doge is basically taking a chainsaw per Elon Musk to government departments, and so what we're talking about is the General Services Administration, or GSA. Doge basically has given 1,500 employees access to a chatbot, a proprietary chatbot called GSAI. Now, apparently, this was rushed out the door by Doge with the intention of deploying it across the entire agency, and it's supposed to be like a support staff with doing general tasks, so Doge sent an internal memo that was obtained by Wired, the publication, and GSA employees were told that, when it comes to what they could do with GSAI, the options were endless, and that endless list was draft emails, create talking points, summarize text, write code. That is considered endless.

Nick Espinosa:

So employees, though and here's the other thing that is bewildering is that employees were also given essentially a major caveat about how they could use it. They could put no non-public information or controlled, unclassified information that's, information that's sensitive but doesn't rise to the standard of classified can be shared with it. So it's deeply sensitive, internal, not for public consumption, and that's like half their job, given what the GSA does, and so that's a huge problem, which deeply limits this. Basically, staffers are also calling it janky, quote unquote and basically as good as an intern, with generic and guessable answers. So if I ask ChatGPT to write me a default template and I get generic answers, that's what this thing is doing. And so if they're looking at this to essentially which was in beta mode, for the record, elon Musk did not create this. This had been developed interagency for years by the GSA and it was still kind of janky and they just deployed it and said, ah, this will replace the workers. No, it just doesn't work that way. We're not there yet.

Mike Gorday:

Well, that's unfortunate. They could have had the Grok platform.

Marc Gregoire:

Yeah, very unfortunate.

Nathan Mumm:

Alright, nick, we could go on for five hours, all right. Thank you for coming on the show. It's always a pleasure to talk with you. Please tell our listeners how they can connect with you outside of our show.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, well, outside of watching Nathan's Chicken Coop feed you can find me on Blue Sky Also, axel, though I don't really do anything there anymore at Nick AESP. Linkedin slash Nick Espinosa. Youtube slash Nick Espinosa. Come say hi.

Nathan Mumm:

There you go. Oh, thank you so much. Tech Time Radio enjoys our monthly conversations with Nick. Good thing, I brought in extra whiskey today, that's right, all right, okay, that ends our Ask the Expert with Nick Espinosa. Now we have our Mike's Mesmerizing Moment. Welcome to Mike's Mesmerizing Moment. What does Mike have to say today? All right, mike, we're a little bit out of time, but I still want to hear what you say on this. What type of guardrails should a game company catering to younger?

Mike Gorday:

audience have in them. Not having them at all, not having not having things where you know this is. This is a hard one because we talk about this stuff all the time, right? So the the whole thing is based on their ability to communicate. Yep, so the guardrail should actually be that they can't communicate to each other.

Nathan Mumm:

So do like.

Mike Gorday:

Minecraft, which, yeah, like Minecraft, which is, you know, counterintuitive to what brings in the money for these things and why people like to get online. You know, we spend a lot of time substituting real life for virtual life, and part of that is being able to communicate with the people you're playing with.

Marc Gregoire:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

Right, so, but on the other hand, we have this persistent problem where bad actors can come into the system and bully or groom or do whatever they're doing because they have access to communication and bully or groom or do whatever they're doing because they have access to communication. And when you have, when you have access to that point to point communication, you can, you can get information about people that makes them vulnerable to, you know, uh, manipulation. So so remove chat, that would be, that would be, but they're not going to do that because then that that takes away the experience. And I guarantee if, if, roblo, that would be, but they're not going to do that, because then that takes away the experience.

Nathan Mumm:

And I guarantee if Roblox did that for instance, if they took away all the chat features and ability to communicate, they wouldn't have 80 million users.

Mike Gorday:

No, they would drop substantially because that's what we're doing with our. We're allowing in our society today is our children to communicate with people in virtual life instead of in real life. So it creates a huge problem there you go.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, Mike. Thank you for that mesmerizing moment. Up next we have this Week in Technology, so now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we will be doing so during our break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, Mike. Yeah what's up? Hey, so you know what.

Mike Gorday:

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You know you butcher the English language all the time it's. Patreoncom. Patreoncom.

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Mike Gorday:

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Nathan Mumm:

Like us today. We need you to like us. Like us and subscribe, that's it.

Speaker 1:

That's it. That's that simple. And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we're going back to March 20th 1800. The creation of the first battery Alessandro Volta sends a letter to Joseph Bank, president of the Royal Society of London, describing his electric pile. This is the first device that could be a form of steady flow of electricity, now recognized as the first practical battery. The entire reason Volta created the device was to prove another italian scientist wrong. Luigi galvani had incorrectly told people he believed the frog muscles could generate electricity. Volta did not believe that the frog legs were the process of the electricity, so he set out to prove him wrong regardless. Within mere weeks, the importance of this first battery was realized, which allowed many further scientific advancements to be possible, such as electrochemistry. Recognized for the importance of his work, the electric unit of the Volt is named in Volta's honor.

Nathan Mumm:

That was this Week in Technology. Have you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history with over 230 plus weekly broadcasts spanning our four plus years of video, podcast and blog information? You can visit techtimeradiocom and watch our older shows. We're going to take a commercial break. When we return we have the mark's mumble whiskey review.

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Speaker 1:

ST O R I coffeecom, the segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's whiskey mumble.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, what do we got going on?

Marc Gregoire:

today. You've been practicing today already throughout the show. Uh-huh, oh, what do we got going on today, mark, you've been practicing today already throughout the show Uh-huh, oh, what's that?

Nathan Mumm:

It's Awkward Moments Day, oh, wow, okay, all right.

Marc Gregoire:

So some things are just better out in the open. And Awkward Moments Day is your chance to embrace those embarrassing or awkward moments from your past and laugh about them. So human history is filled with these, from Isaac Newton incorrectly predicting the end of the world several times to Ariana Grande getting caught on camera licking a donut at a bakery before putting it back.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, wow, I did not know that.

Marc Gregoire:

If you're one of those people, today's your day I need to search that out on the internet. I'm sure Odie's heard of it, Odie have you heard of Ariana Grande?

Mike Gorday:

I think Ariana, I'm sure odie's heard of it. Oh, do you have you heard of ariana grande? I think is. I think ariana grande was the one in this uh interview when they asked what her favorite dish was and she was like, oh, it's a coffee cup no, that's, that's demi lovato oh, is that, demi lovato?

Ody:

oh I love a mug, oh like okay, there you go so what is all?

Mike Gorday:

wings anyone?

Marc Gregoire:

what's awkward today is we have some whiskeys that are probably not in our flavor profile. Here are four whiskeys that we are tasting today. So number one, which is in the tall glass, is from japan. It's a japanese whiskey. It's 86 proof, 100 malted barley and $50. Okay, and it's called Seik Sato Shiki. It is Shiki.

Nathan Mumm:

It's very Shiki, alright Awkward. Very awkward.

Marc Gregoire:

In the Glencairn we have the Irishman the Harvest, so this is an Irish whiskey. It is 80 proof, 100% malted barley, but it is a blend of 70% aged single malt and 30% single pot still, and it's $37. In the beer glass is Starward Novo single malt. So this is from Australia and it's three years old. It is 82 proof, 100% malted barley, but it's aged in wine barrels. It's $40. Okay, and then in the rocks glass you have high and wicked number seven, four square. This is from Ireland, it's an Irish whiskey but it's interesting, it's 95% corn, five malted barley, and it's aged and finished in rum barrels.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, and it's $80. That's this one right here. Yes, it is. Yeah, I like that. It's all gone. You see that that disappeared quickly.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, you had more liquor in your cups than I did.

Marc Gregoire:

Did I yeah?

Nathan Mumm:

Do we?

Marc Gregoire:

have a clear number one between you two.

Nathan Mumm:

We're going to have to wait for the pick of the day. Well, I kind of need to, because if I got to choose, alright.

Marc Gregoire:

Alright, gotta leave it to the time.

Mike Gorday:

if I have to be the tiebreaker, my leading one is the Australian whiskey.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm pretty close on that too.

Mike Gorday:

That's my leader.

Marc Gregoire:

I can be on that too. Alright, I'll have to taste them in a. It's in here, okay, alright.

Nathan Mumm:

Whiskey and technology are a great pairing, just like the NCAA basketball tournament and springtime weather. Now let's prepare for our technology fail of the week, brought to us by elite executive servicemen, technology experts to help you out of a technology fail. We are out of time. Congratulations, You're a failure.

Speaker 8:

Oh, I failed. Did I yes, did I yes, did I.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, all right. So my technology fail is going to go right into the Nathan Nuggets, because they're kind of the same things. Guess what we got here. You know what? Microsoft is developing an AI to help me cheat at video games. It's not the Konami code with the up up, down down, left right code, but Microsoft is making Copilot AI to assist with gamers. Now, it hasn't released yet and I'm already putting it on a failure. Microsoft announced the pending availability of Copilot for Gaming and AI-powered assistance that it helps you as you walk through and play the games. Microsoft boasts that it can help folks download and launch games, solving the ever-a-problem of hitting a single button to say download right, don't get me started on this.

Nathan Mumm:

Here we go. I guess it's really difficult to hit the green button and say download, but I guess it can help me solve that problem. Now. What it also does is that it runs on a second screen so it can actually help you out as you play the game itself. It's discord. That's what kind of it is. Now the demos have showed copilot, enabling cheats in minecraft and with a bot. Telling a player where to crafting material could be fine. You can think of it also as answering questions or if you're in a mystery game, it'll tell you, go over to the bottom left hand corner and click on this and you'll find your item there yeah, let's, let's, let's take all the mystery out of it.

Nathan Mumm:

So let's remove the game aspect of playing a game and let's just have it so I can do a click and feel taken care of.

Mike Gorday:

Why don't we just, you know, get rid of the middleman and let Copilot play the game for me?

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know what I'm thinking about Madden football, right? So I'm not very good. I love playing Madden football. Well, these kids nowadays are so quick on it.

Mike Gorday:

If I could get it to cheat on that and I wouldn't.

Nathan Mumm:

I all of a sudden it says you want to bring up your dime defense and you need to do this. I'd be like, yeah, so I don't know. I'm kind of torn.

Mike Gorday:

I think it's the stupidest idea ever well you know if I can win a tournament with it. If you're an online gamer, you already know that cheating is rampant in most games, so why not add another one that is state sponsored? That's right all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know what? Let's go right now into speaking of Microsoft, into the Nathan Nugget.

Speaker 1:

This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, this is big news, all right, microsoft is going to enter the handheld game market. No.

Nathan Mumm:

Xbox appears to have something on the works with a branding. According to Windows Central last week, the device is codenamed Kenan. It's more PC-focused than the Steam Deck, but it's going to be a portable device that will be produced and possibly available at the end in the fall month of 2025. Microsoft did not respond to requests for confirmation. Xbox Phil Spencer, the main chief, has previously discussed creating a gaming handheld x xbox switch. So so so this is what we know. I got some insider information because I've used to work at a company called microsoft. Um, so let me just tell you what we got. I it looks like the tech time believes that either asus or dell is the primary Microsoft partner for this endeavor.

Nathan Mumm:

Windows has been negative for handhelds, and the idea is to create a new experience that would be able to compete with what you consider the Nintendo Switch. Right now, you could be able to play games online. Now, microsoft's spent a lot of time with their entertainment platforms coming on out with the ability to stream games on hosted servers, and this tool may be the unit that allows you to use the xbox cloud gaming platform and the xbox play anywhere platform. So you don't need to have anything on your device you connect to a server that's hosted in the cloud and you play your games that way. Now I think that this will be announced sometime nearing the Summer Games Fest, which is in May or June of this year, where they will actually announce, as a company, that they're coming on out with this portable device.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I feel like that's not going to work very well.

Nathan Mumm:

Is what the target price?

Mike Gorday:

is $500 for this.

Nathan Mumm:

So the idea is they think that this will be kind of like the Microsoft Series S. That's more than a console. Well, Xbox is also planning on coming out with some new home consoles. So you know the Series X that's available there. They expect next year to have another home device Series C. That's what they may have. All right, are you ready to head over to Microsoft and have your Nintendo Switch replaced?

Mike Gorday:

Yes, or no, I don't know over to Microsoft and have your Nintendo Switch replaced, yes or no? I don't know. It's funny to me that business is like hey, you know, we have this part of the market and then somebody comes over here and puts this thing in and they got that part of the market and it works, yeah. And then they're like we want this part of the market too, so we're going to develop a thing that's gonna take this guy out. Yeah, od, are you gonna?

Nathan Mumm:

replace your switch with a hell no no yeah, what do you?

Mike Gorday:

what's what's?

Ody:

truly, I truly do not like playing on my xbox okay even when I had one. Okay, I'm I. I much prefer the playstation or the nintendo.

Speaker 8:

Like the, the Nintendo is my go-to. But, now you can get out of a handheld no I don't like the functionality.

Ody:

I haven't seen it yet, obviously, but if it's anything like Xbox, I don't like it.

Mike Gorday:

I was asking. Odie, what she thought the Xbox version of Animal Crossing would be, would it not be?

Nathan Mumm:

like Sims Microsoft Zoo With animals. Okay, you know what?

Ody:

There we go. I'd love to see that and then have it be a technology fail for when the Switch 2 comes out, because that'd be hilarious. That would be Failure after failure.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's now move to our pick of the day whiskey tasting.

Speaker 1:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, Mike. What are you saying? You're leading out here with the taste.

Mike Gorday:

My lead is the Irish whiskey.

Marc Gregoire:

Okay, hang on, hang on the lead. Oh, no, no, no, that's the Australian, yeah, that's the Australian.

Mike Gorday:

And then the Irish is second, and then I have the Japanese third and the what was the last one? Irish finish and rum barrels. Irish finish and rum barrels.

Nathan Mumm:

So you're saying that this is your first Australian?

Mike Gorday:

The Australian is my pick.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, actually, A is Canadian. What is the down under for Australia?

Marc Gregoire:

I don't know Cracky Mate. I don't know Cracky.

Mike Gorday:

Mate, there you go All right, I need to watch a little bit Cracky Mate.

Nathan Mumm:

Crocky, crocky, crikey, it's Crikey.

Mike Gorday:

It's Crikey. Okay, my cracky Cracky. Cracky is something you get on the corner.

Marc Gregoire:

That was awkward, nathan. All right, that's a little awkward people, awkward day.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm between these two, also Awkward life.

Marc Gregoire:

So you're between the Irish whiskey, the true Irish whiskey, and what's the other one glass that you?

Speaker 8:

have.

Marc Gregoire:

The Australian On the Australian All right.

Mike Gorday:

Just pick the Australian, just so you can say Cracky again.

Ody:

Do the placements matter, or is it just the number one?

Nathan Mumm:

Just the number one.

Ody:

Okay.

Nathan Mumm:

You know what? I can go with the Australian for number one Cracky, I can go. The one and two are so close to each other. The only one I really don't want is the japanese one.

Marc Gregoire:

so all right. Well, so you guys are moving forward. Starward nova single malt from australia, finished in wine barrels okay that was my number four.

Nathan Mumm:

That was the worst one for me okay, oh, you're not a wall, you're not a malt whiskey.

Marc Gregoire:

Well, a lot of these are malt, but that was, that was the worst of malt mixed in with the worst of wine. Really yeah oh, but I'm not picking, okay my number one of these was the uh, high-end wicked, the one finished. The irish finished in rum. Is that this one right here?

Nathan Mumm:

yes, in the rocks. Oh, I kind of like this one too, though, so I was okay, that was my number one.

Marc Gregoire:

My number two was the straight irish because that was kind of neutral. Okay me, because the pot still kind of adds a little fun in there. The Japanese was very grain forward malty, but I was fine on that, more so than the Australian one, all right.

Speaker 8:

You guys picked the wrong one.

Marc Gregoire:

You guys are not becoming connoisseurs, uh-oh.

Nathan Mumm:

But that's okay, it's your competition. Mark's getting all mad at us. No, Actually this is not really.

Marc Gregoire:

This one was one that I didn't really want to pick a winner because, like you said, they're all really, except for the four-square one, which is 95% corn. It's not in my wheelhouse.

Nathan Mumm:

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