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EP 239: Artificial Intelligence, the Buzz Around DeepSeek, Gadget and Gears "Smart Glasses", and the Future of Amazon Alexa. Plus a Recap of the Artificial Intelligence Action Summit in Paris | Air Date: 2/11 - 2/17/2025

• Nathan Mumm • Season 7 • Episode 239

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Unlock the secrets behind the transformative power of artificial intelligence, the buzz around DeepSeek, and the impact of AI-generated books on human creativity. As we relay insights from the Artificial Intelligence Action Summit in Paris, discover how global leaders and tech experts are shaping the future of AI. We also touch on the intriguing and somewhat humorous endeavor of AI trying its hand at writing, and the serious implications it holds for the creative industry. Meanwhile, pressing cybersecurity concerns underscore a pivotal moment for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, with staffers urged to hold off on resignations amid federal downsizing.

Get ready to have your curiosity piqued as we explore the fascinating world of smart glasses. Gwen Way returns with two must-see gadgets that add another layer of excitement for our tech-savvy audience. We also delve into personal experiences with Chinese online marketplaces like Temu, reflecting on the challenges of product fulfillment and what it means for global commerce.

Is the Amazon Alexa subscription service worth the buzz or just another case of subscription fatigue? As we look forward to Amazon's upcoming event, we explore the potential of Alexa's new capabilities and the reaction to a possible $10 monthly fee. 

From our entertaining whiskey-tasting session to the nostalgic origins of the term "podcast," we promise a memorable journey through technology's latest trends and debates. Tune in for a blend of insightful analysis, engaging segments like Mike's Mesmerizing Moment and Nathan's Nugget, and of course, our top-of-the-month whiskey tasting, all designed to keep you connected and informed.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. The show that makes you go hmm. Technology news of the week the show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mumm, your host and technologist, with over 30 years of technology expertise. Our co-host here, microday, is in the studio and he's the award-winning author and human behavior expert. Now we're live streaming during our show on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitch TV, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at tech time radiocom and become a patron supporter at patrioncom forward slash tech time radio. We're friends from different backgrounds, but we're bringing the best technology show possible for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odie, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1:

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. Well, welcome to Studio 401. That's right, Studio 401. We're excited to be here. We're in a new studio. Last week's episode, if you got it, was Nathan unplugged, so now we are here ready to go. Mr Gorday, how do you like the new studio?

Mike Gorday:

I already answered that question. I'm going to take the fifth, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, well, we're in our new studio. We're excited to be here. Odie's got a bunch of new toys that she's playing with, that she got to get for the audio board. We got Mr Gorday here ready to go, and we got Mark that is doing our top of the month whiskey tasting. We're excited. And now let's talk about what we actually have on the lineup for today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

Today, we have hot topics you're not going to want to miss, including. The world leaders just wrapped up an artificial intelligence action summit in Paris, where they tackled the future of AI and its potential to reshape our world. We'll give you some inside scoop of what was discussed and why it matters. Ever wonder what happens when AI tries to hand write a book? We're going to dive into the fantastic story of this, with the creative community buzzing and maybe a little bit terrified. Plus, there's some unsettling news from the cybersecurity front. The CISA staffers have been ordered to deferred resignation, raising some serious questions about our digital defense.

Nathan Mumm:

And that's not all. Gwenway is back with not one, but two exciting gadgets and gear items that I know she and myself have been eyeing. Trust you don't want to miss her pick. And of course, we have it action-packed show with our standard features, including mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail, the week of possible, nathan nugget and, of course, our pick of the day whiskey tasting that we've selected. Now. Today is the top of the month, so we have four whiskeys. Look at that four whiskeys, mike in front of us. So that's going to be, by the time we get to the end of the show, it's going to be fantastically a little drunk or a little tipsy, okay, yeah, all right, you know what? Let's get ready to go into the headline in the world of technology.

Speaker 1:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. Yesterday, the world leaders attended the first Artificial Intelligent Action Summit in Paris. This is the third meeting that they've had regarding AI, and let's go to Crenn Westland, for more on this story.

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Representatives from 80 countries, including world leaders, tech bosses, academics and other experts, gather for a two-day global summit to discuss progress and future goals for artificial intelligence, the rapidly evolving, hugely disruptive technology. That might be on the official agenda of the Artificial Intelligence Action Summit, but something else is breathing fire into this particular discussion. China is dramatically blowing the AI competition in a new direction with DeepSeek, the super-efficient and super-viral AI assistant. Suddenly, there's a feeling at the summit that the pole position once occupied by the US might not be out of reach after all. Back to you guys in the new studio.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, look at that. Corinne even knows too. All right, so let's talk about this Now. You know, nothing's better than sending the US Vice President, jd Vance, and OpenAI Chief Sam Altman to represent the United States. Now there is no Elon Musk there. He's notably absent from the official guest list. He's busy doing other things. He's doing other things. Yeah, that's right. All right Now.

Nathan Mumm:

There's been two previous summits. The first one was held in the UK and the second one in South Korea. A lot's happened since the AI world gathered for the first time. Deep Seek, though, is the topic everybody's talking about. It's shaking up the ai sector in a way that not even ai itself might have predicted, and it's wiped a lot of money off the value of these bigger players in the united states with, supposedly, their processes. Now, I'm certain there's going to be a huge topic that will continue even after the conference, but what I still don't get and I talked about this in my unplugged episode last week is deep DeepSeek has been down. It has been down more times than actually up for this AI intelligence. So if I come out with a product and the product isn't working and it's never up, does that really kind of shape the market that everybody needs to be concerned about it, mike. I mean, if you can't have an app work, why there so much concern about deep seek? Do you think?

Mike Gorday:

well, clearly that's not a factor, because deep seek has sent everybody into a tizzy about what's going on in the ai world anyway. So, uh, it's not a matter of whether or not it works, it's a matter. It's a matter of what. It's not a matter of whether or not it works, it's a matter of what it's going to do to everybody else's stuff. So you know, everybody's flipping out about it.

Nathan Mumm:

I still don't get deep seek. So OpenAI has been out for really kind of in the market now for almost two years. It's kind of funny that it's almost been two years since AI has really kind of come to the market the last what is that? I'd probably say eight months. Openai, chatgpt all these names have come to be kind of synonymous with AI that everybody uses each and every day.

Nathan Mumm:

If you go to Microsoft Bing and you do a search, that has a co-pilot that comes up and it lets you search for different stuff in AI that is built on the NVIDIA platform and we've talked about this many times that is built on hardware that is running out of computing space. And again, deepseek just copied a lot of the large language models that have already been developed by OpenAI. Say that it's running on lesser systems. Say that they've done this successfully. There hasn't been tons of proof. No one has actually had the ability to see what their initial investment was. It was just an announcement that's out there and yet this is driving a global summit with information where people are concerned about China getting into the AI movement because they said they've done it for cheap and for less. I I'm just so, so interested in how this gets pressed.

Mike Gorday:

This is like this, this, this gets pressed because it generates emotions okay that's how that's how all this stuff works. If you can generate an emotion, you can get attention. That's how that's how these things fly around into the top uh tiers of media news feeds and everything okay so, you know and china's known for this kind of thing, right, we?

Mike Gorday:

we saw a lot of this during the pandemic where they were. They would make some sort of statement about something and everybody would, just, you know, absolutely lose their minds over it yeah, and you have timu and you have these other places that are selling stuff that's cheap.

Nathan Mumm:

Now I I've done a couple purchases on timu recently uh, that's supposed to get them from china, and guess what? Two of those purchases that I've done, I purchased a product online. They actually then came on back this dirt cheap product that I got some tablecloths like 300 tablecloths for a big event that I do and what happened is I actually put the order in and they came back to me and then said that they couldn't fulfill my order, so they had this price list there. Then I went to another item that was available a little bit higher in price, and they said that they couldn't fulfill that one either. But then the high price of like nine bucks, which is the same price I could get in the united states. When I did that order, they said that they had that available probably because they were getting it from the united states.

Mike Gorday:

Is it okay? That's what it is, all right, okay well, you know the thing? The thing the thing is is that they people, they talk yeah, and as soon as they open their official mouths and start saying things, everybody just sort of wigs out about it. Okay, all right, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know what? Let's move on to story number two. You got that one, Mike. What do we got?

Mike Gorday:

going on. I don't know why you keep giving me all these AI stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, listen, come on, this is right up your alley right.

Mike Gorday:

This is, this is this, yeah, it's okay well how an ai written book shows why tech terrifies creatives. Okay, what if, for christmas, you received an interesting gift from a friend labeled my very own best-selling book tech explaining for dummies, that's? That's a pretty cool title you like that title.

Mike Gorday:

It bears the name and photo on his covers and it has glowing reviews. Yet ai wrote it entirely with a few simple prompts applied by a friend. This happened happened to Zoe Kleinman, and she goes on to explain more of the book in the process. She says it's an interesting read and very funny in parts, but it's also meanders quite a bit and somewhere between a self-help book and a stream of anecdotes. It mimics her chatty style of writing, but it also a bit of a repetitive and very verbose, which means wordy.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay for you wow it may, potato, potato buddy potato, potato.

Mike Gorday:

All right, it may have gone beyond janet's prompts and collating data about the person. Several sentences begin as a leading technology journalist, which is cringe worthy. Uh, could have been scraped from an online bio. There's also a mysterious repeated hallucination in the form of a cat, which the person has no pets, and there's a metaphor on almost every page, some more random than others. There are dozens of companies online offering AI book writing services and this book was from book by anyone. 240 page paperback copy cost 26 pounds. Of course this this is a uk coming from uk. Yep, the firm generates them using its own ai tools based on open source large language models. Legally, the copyright belongs to the firm, uh, but the president stresses that the product is intended as a personalized gag gift and the books do not get sold further. He hopes to broaden his range, generating different genres such as sci-fi and perhaps offering an autobiography service. It's designed to be a light, lighthearted form of consumer AI, selling AI generated goods to human consumers. It's also a bit terrifying if you write for a living.

Marc Grégoire:

I don't.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't write for a living but you write for passion, I write.

Mike Gorday:

I've, I've, I've been published, so I just don't do it for a living. The problem is is that I've it's, I've been published, so I just don't do it for a living. The problem is that I've taken almost at least a third of my lifespan crafting the art of writing, okay, and the problem that creatives have is that AI can whip this out in probably less than a minute.

Marc Grégoire:

Yeah, that's pretty quick. Huh, whip this out in probably less than a minute, yeah that's pretty quick, huh?

Mike Gorday:

Well, yeah, given the fact that if you've ever written a book, it doesn't take a minute. It takes months and months, months and months. Yep, ed Newton Rex who I have no idea who this is describes this as insanity. He points out that AI can make advances in areas like defense, health care and logistics without trawling the work of authors, journalists and artists. All these things work without going and changing copyright law and ruining the livelihood of the country's creatives. Creative industries are wealth creators 2.4 million jobs are listed. The government is undermining one of its best performing industries on the vague promise of growth. Okay, so this is why this bothers me. It simply devalues human ingenuity and work and craft and all the things that we do in a life, and as it progresses and gets better at it, the less value humans have in the way that they can produce and work and do things.

Marc Grégoire:

Okay.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, so yeah now I did buy the very first ai published book on amazon.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I think you also wrote your own, didn't you?

Nathan Mumm:

uh, I had one that was actually I didn't do I did.

Mike Gorday:

You did like a children's book. Choose your own adventure.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, that's right, choose your own adventure type of deal and it was kind of interesting at the time. I have not done it on the new uh uh chat gpt model. I'm sure it gets better and better and better. It's going to be interesting because I don't want to read a sci-fi book that is AI generated for casual reading. I do want to read something that someone creates, instead of just some AI making up stuff Right now, that's still. You're not going to get a good AI book right now.

Mike Gorday:

It's always going to have some weird flaw or some because it doesn't matter.

Nathan Mumm:

All of a sudden disappears and he dies. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't have any sense.

Mike Gorday:

The the, the thing that's that's working in our favor, is that AI has no sense of morality or a sense of of logical progression. Yeah, Into progression, into human behavior. So that's what we got going for us, for those of us who do write for either a living or as a hobby, or whatever.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, the story number three is going to make you feel more uplifted. I can tell you that, yeah, sure.

Mike Gorday:

I'm completely happy. Love everything about AI all the time. All right, well, well, how about cyber security? Oh, this is my favorite. So, if you're at our production meeting.

Nathan Mumm:

I I went off on uh our production meeting last week. I I I did for this show, so I I apologized why, why, why do you need to apologize? Because I I really went off on on stuff and I normally like to stay pretty neutral.

Speaker 7:

But let's just talk about that the cisa staffers.

Nathan Mumm:

So these are our government cyber security individuals that protect the united states government. Okay, that the that we talked about this. Over the last four years. Our previous president spent a lot of time in actually putting together some councils that would come on in make it easier for people to share data, consolidated all the cybersecurity into one company. Well, the CISA staffers were offered the deferred resignations extending broader cybersecurity fears. Employees at the Department of Homeland Security, cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agencies, or CISA, have been given deferred resignations offers as part of the Trump administration's broader effort to shrink the federal government. Cisa plays a key role in defending critical US infrastructure. However, last week, some CISA staffers were given the defending critical US infrastructure. However, last week, some CISA staffers were given the offer and just hours to decide whether to accept it, according to sources that spoke to many different press outlets on conditions and amenity.

Mike Gorday:

This is happening all across the spectrum of departments and divisions.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, and I'm only talking about the cybersecurity aspects, right Cause we're technology, so there's.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm just going to keep it in there. D O G E staffers have been entering federal agencies from the state department to the treasury department for the past week, demanding access to sensitive files and systems and prompting widespread protest and legal challenges. Now what's really interesting is they're going on in with hard drives. They're going in with hard drives not encrypted hard drives plugging them into these systems and copying down data and information regarding transactions. What's going on? And then leaving the premise the secured premise to an undislocated location that nobody knows about, and then they're going to go through and review all of this information. So your information is being transferred. Now the ranks of the cybersecurity experts within the federal government might get thinner, and outside entities without cleared credentials have access to data without safety guards. Is this any worse than a cybersecurity hacker getting into our data, which then goes back to the whole idea I don't really care that China has my data, and I'll say that again and again.

Mike Gorday:

Well, yeah, that's probably where they got all their deep-seek stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, you know what or you know what? Now I can just get it on any site that will have my information published. I just that's killing me. I hope that none of the existing staff hopefully signed any of the nine month or whatever offers were to retire and hopefully we can keep our security as our nation a top priority for cybersecurity threats. We did a good job in the last three and a half years of not having any real major breaks that have come into our government with our data.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, well you know things change, okay, well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. Moving on, we have our gadgets and gear gal Gwen Wei on the show, and she has not one, but two gadgets to review. I'm interested in keeping my eye on this segment. You're listening to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. See you after the commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without a political agenda. We verify the facts and we do it with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is back and as a start of the month tradition we're going to have our four tastings here. Mark, tell us what we are doing in our second round of tastings for the calendar.

Marc Grégoire:

All right, I'm going to remind our viewers that we are using the 2024 Flavor Whiskey Advent Calendar 24 remarkable whiskeys to use for our year-long blind whiskey competition to see which one Nathan and Mike like best. Now come along for the ride once every month while they uncover new tastes and train their senses to try and become true connoisseurs. Today is round two oh, really Round two where they're going to choose the winner to move on to the semifinals. If they disagree, I will be the deciding vote. Oh Now, today, all four of the samples are bourbon.

Marc Grégoire:

Bourbon is named after the House of Bourbon, a powerful French dynasty. Now, in response to 1791's Whiskey Rebellion, george Washington decided to incentivize the disgruntled tax evading settlers to move southwards to Kentucky, then still part of Virginia. The governor, thomas Jefferson, doled out 60 acres of land to each Pennsylvanian transplant who agreed to produce native corn American whiskey on their land Corn squeezings. Jefferson Christianed the new settlement Bourbon County after the French Bourbon Dynasty, which held court over Spain and most of Italy in the 18th century. Once the whiskey started flowing, distillers began shipping their wares down the Missouri and Ohio rivers, stamping Bourbon County on each barrel to mark its origin and ultimately giving the drink its permanent name.

Nathan Mumm:

Fair enough, all right.

Marc Grégoire:

So these are their four contenders. Look at the yellow bottle, yellow ball is drink them go through each four and then make sure the next time go back the other direction. I've done that okay, so that.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is yellow. It's got a darker color but.

Nathan Mumm:

I can just take a look at it, that I'm tasting here and this has a pretty bitter little taste here, but I I do like the blue is a little bit smoother. So I get the bite with the yellow and then I got the smoothness from the blue. It kind of just goes all the way down from bite, a little bit of bite, okay bite, into nothing. There you going to play, you're playing with your little sound effects there. All right, there we go. Okay. Well, mark, do you have one of these that is your favorite? Oh, yes, I do. You do. I do. I have them all ranked. You have them all ranked.

Mike Gorday:

I kind of like the first one but I don't know if you set up the, that was the one you really had this weird reaction to.

Nathan Mumm:

It looks like it's the by looking at it, it looks like this is bad. All right, now, with our whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment. Today we have Gwen Wei joining the show. She's an expert in cybersecurity, near in the game and a game board geek in the evenings, as well as a producer of Tech Time Radio and our Gadgets and Gear Gal. Let's get ready to start our Comcast video stream to start our next segment.

Speaker 1:

What's new in our Gadgets and Gear? All right, what's new?

Nathan Mumm:

in our gadgets and gear. All right, welcome back to the show gwen. For all those that are new listeners, tell them a little bit about yourself sure thing.

Gwen Way:

Uh, as you say, I work in cyber security. I've been doing technology work for about 25 years now and I love it. There's just always something new to find all right, perfect, perfect, perfect, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is going to be really interesting today, because I actually told you that I was actually looking at one of these projects to invest in before you even brought it up. But you have two different items, so explain why you're kind of going a little rogue. We like that, but you're kind of going a little rogue. What are we going to be talking about today?

Gwen Way:

So we are talking about AI glasses or smart glasses. We've kind of touched on them in the past, but we haven't really found any that I thought lived up to the gadgets and gears level. We've got the old standby standby.

Gwen Way:

I think it was google that came up with some glasses that were just extremely heavy and very obvious and nobody really very controversial very controversial, exactly, exactly, and it's just interesting to watch kind of the technology evolve and change as we get more, more things available to make them more wearable, more comfortable and capable of doing even more things.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. So one of these I really like, one of these I almost invested with before even having you on the show, but I haven't backed any of these yet. So I'll just tell you none of these have been backed yet, but I'm going to take your expertise to help us decide what I'm going to back. One of these is going to get my backing by the end of today, so you're going to need to tell us what are we going to start out with our first classes? What is that?

Gwen Way:

Okay, the first one is by a company called Halliday, named after James Halliday from Ready Player One. Okay, this is actually probably the most technologically advanced version that we're going to be talking about today. Uh, and it includes one thing that the other doesn't, and that is an actual display. So with this, you would be able to actually call up things and see visually on the screen in front of you. Uh, kind of cool thing about that. Uh, in the past it's been very easy for other people to tell that you're watching things and oftentimes see what you're watching, but this actually has some security built into the lenses so that you other people are not able to see the display.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, okay. So if I'm looking at the, I think it, I I think it's a green screen type of overlay. Is that right?

Gwen Way:

That is correct, okay.

Mike Gorday:

So I can sit in my meetings and watch YouTube. It doesn't quite have that interface yet right.

Nathan Mumm:

It's not quite there, but they are working on it. Yeah, okay.

Mike Gorday:

All right. What good is it then if I can't sit around in my meetings and do other things?

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, you're supposed to go to meetings and actually pay attention to what you're doing. Okay, all, right, okay, all right, so you work for the government. All right, so now. So that's the first glasses. What's the second pair? Let's talk about the second pair.

Gwen Way:

The second pair is actually more about kind of a traditional smart glass. You're able to use ai and ask questions, listen to answers and take pictures and video okay there are two things, though. This is actually from a company called lumos okay which is somewhat familiar.

Gwen Way:

This is a division of charge, and we actually have uh talked about their gadgets before. This is the uh starship sear, which is a battery pack. We also shouted out the shark 2, which I think both of us actually ended up yeah, we did yep, so so you got one company.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is kind of cool because, yeah, one company that's actually delivered on a couple kickstarters and is known as a technology company, coming out with what I would consider not a lower end, but it doesn't have all the same feature functionality as the top brand does. The top brand was the one that I was looking at to possibly back, and I think there was already 2 million. We'll get into these numbers. So I think there's like 2 million in finances that have been committed to this Kickstarter. So I mean, that's not like a Kickstarter, that's like creating a brand new business for this type of deal. So let's now, since I kind of talked about it, let's go into each of these. Let's talk about the high end version and this is the holiday and talk about how many backers, how many days are left, kind of what you get, and then we'll do the Loomis, which is the company that we have already gotten stuff from.

Gwen Way:

Not a problem. So the holiday already has 5,500 backers and is, as you said, over $2 million pledged for this. Okay, it is open until March 8th 2025. So you still have a fair amount of time if you want to do your research and make your decision of which one you want. There are a couple of things about this. It is using a proprietary AI which is similar to ChatGPT, but not actually one of the AI technologies that we are familiar with. It does have a longer lasting battery, which is nice, but doesn't really have a way to easily recharge on the go.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so tell me about that. How do you charge that unit?

Gwen Way:

You would actually have to plug it into a special charging unit. Okay, it's got a 12-hour battery life, so you're probably going to be okay for one day, yeah, but definitely you would need to have it back on the charger that night in order to be ready for the next day, and that's kind of interesting because you know with glasses if you're going to use an AI glasses or standard glasses.

Nathan Mumm:

12 hours may seem like a lot of time. That's not necessarily a lot of time, right, because you keep your glasses on until you go to bed at night and then you get up in the morning you put your glasses on. So a 12 hour stent would be I probably 14, 15 hours that I have my glasses on, if I had glasses that were available there.

Gwen Way:

So Exactly, so that's something to keep in mind. Okay, One thing that is nice about both of these models I want to touch on both of them for a second is that they both can have prescription lenses put in.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Gwen Way:

Which means that you're going to be able to use them as your everyday glasses. Now, the Halidays, you will have to get the lenses from them, because it does include some of the technology for the heads-up display.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, okay, okay.

Gwen Way:

Technology for the heads-up display All right, okay, okay, going to the Lumos they also are at just over 5,500 backers. They are sitting just under 1.5 million brought in and you'll find that the difference on that is that they are less expensive, probably because they do not include the display. Okay, Okay is that they are less expensive, probably because they do not include the display. Okay, they are actually using chat GPT-4.0.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Gwen Way:

So we know that that is a pretty standard platform. Exactly and has been tested extensively. It's got a fairly good learning model at this point and most but not all hallucinations are taken care of.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, that makes sense, all right, so quick recap. The expensive pair is how much to do Kickstarter.

Gwen Way:

Right now you can get the expensive pair for $3.99 as an early bird special.

Nathan Mumm:

And the inexpensive pair.

Gwen Way:

The inexpensive pair you can get for $199, or you can also get one with a power bank that you wear around your neck for $249 to extend the length of usability.

Nathan Mumm:

All right Now the most important aspect here are you going to buy one of these?

Gwen Way:

I am eyeing those Lumos We've had such good results with charge uh in the past. I, I love my seer, I love my charge bank uh, yeah, I, I really like them and I don't think that, at least right now, that heads-up display is actually going to be as functional as it could be, that makes sense.

Nathan Mumm:

That makes sense, and you know, and you get chat g, which is a known product for your AI. I am going to probably lean that way now too. All right, okay, gwen, I you know what. It's always great having you on the show. So let me ask what do you have coming up for next month? So and this is Valentine's month, right? So this is February, so you can get your, your, your loved one, some glasses with ai. What a perfect gift. What are you looking at to get further better, yeah, that's right, so you can see each other better. What are you looking at for, uh, uh, next month? You already have something on the horizon, or are you still looking?

Gwen Way:

I'm still looking right now. So if any of the listeners out there want to shoot us some messages and maybe give us suggestions, I'm more than happy to take those, but I'm sure we'll have something fun All right, that sounds great.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, gwen, we thank you so much for being a part of the show. We always look forward to seeing you. Can't wait to see you next month and thank you so much for all that you do, as a producer Also, of our show, each and every week thank y'all and uh have good days all right all right, bye.

Nathan Mumm:

That ends our gadgets and gear up. Next we have mike's mesmerizing moment. Welcome to mike's mesmerizing moment. What does mike have to say today? All right, mike, so you know what I I do have. I have a nice book here. Let me tell you the threads of chaos available on amazon, you know. Do you know what? I do have a nice book here. Let me tell you the Threads of Chaos available on Amazon. Do you know anything about this book? I know nothing. You know nothing about this book. Look at that A big picture of Mr Gorday on the back. So my question for you is how do creative writers leverage AI in this changing landscape so that they don't lose their creativity but can still use some of the tools that are available for them to be successful?

Mike Gorday:

I think I think, from a writing aspect, I think I would use it to check my grammar. Okay, you know I'm I that that's one of the hardest pieces of of writing is grammar checking and spelling checking. And unless it can edit things, I mean, I'm not gonna lie. If you go on on amazon and just download some books, yeah, you're gonna find a whole lot of people that don't know how to write. Okay, because that's what. That's what today's technology has done. Everybody writes a book. They can put it on Amazon and then it's not edited. It has horrible spelling errors, they're not well put together. Okay, so you can use it for spelling. Mine was edited. Stop looking. All right, okay, it was yours edited.

Mike Gorday:

I was just going to go through there and start reading. It was edited.

Marc Grégoire:

Okay, all right, okay, so you can use it for spelling. Mine was edited.

Mike Gorday:

Stop looking. All right, okay, it was yours edited.

Nathan Mumm:

I was just going to go through there and start reading.

Mike Gorday:

It was edited.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right, okay, well, there you go. Well, thank you, mike, for your mesmerizing moment. Up next we have this week in technology, so now would be a good time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side that we Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, mike.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, what's up?

Nathan Mumm:

Hey, so you know what.

Mike Gorday:

We need people to start liking our social media page If you like our show, if you really like us we could use your support on Patreoncom. Is it Patreon? I think it's Patreon. Okay, patreon, if you really like us, you can like us on. Patreoncom. I butcher the English language, you know you butcher the English language all the time. It's patreoncom.

Nathan Mumm:

Patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

If you really like our show, you can subscribe to patreoncom and help us out and you can visit us on that Facebook platform.

Nathan Mumm:

You know, the one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio At? Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio At?

Mike Gorday:

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Nathan Mumm:

Time Radio. You know what? There's a trend here.

Mike Gorday:

It seems to be that there's a trend, and that's Tech Time Radio.

Nathan Mumm:

Or you can even Instagram with us, and that's at Tech Time Radio. That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok and it's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike Gorday:

Like and subscribe to our social media Like us today, we need you to like us. Like us and subscribe.

Nathan Mumm:

That's it. That's it, it's that simple.

Speaker 1:

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we're going to the Wayback Machine here. We're going to February 11th 2004. This was the first use of the word podcast. In an article called Audible Revolution, published by the Guardian on this date, ben Hammersley described the trend of amateur radio on the internet. With no established names for the new phenomenon, hammersley suggested the terms audio blogging, guerrilla media and podcasting. Given the popularity of the Apple iPod and how many people were using the iPod to listen to these pre-recorded audio shows, the term podcast stuck, and the rest is history. Well, speaking of history, guess what? You can take a look at over 230-plus weekly broadcasts spanning our four plus years of videos, podcast and blog information at techtimeradiocom to watch our older shows. We're going to take another commercial break and when we return we have Mark's mumble whiskey review. See you after this.

Speaker 7:

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Speaker 1:

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

:

All right.

Marc Grégoire:

All right, all right. Today, what is February 11th to you? What are you celebrating? February 11th, payday, payday.

Nathan Mumm:

February 11th. So that would be. Isn't Valentine's Day the 12th?

Mike Gorday:

No.

Nathan Mumm:

What's Valentine's? Day the 14th the 14th, okay, all right, valentine's.

Marc Grégoire:

Day. Sorry, tracy, yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, don't get me going on that Hallmark holiday.

Mike Gorday:

We don't need to listen to him rant about Valentine's Day.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right, all right. So I don't know, it's got to be some type of we got whiskey, we got Mark. I'm going to say it's some type of Roman type of holiday. I'm going to go back and it's like some Roman holiday.

Marc Grégoire:

Do you have a big no?

Mike Gorday:

Are we going to get an audio clue today?

Ody:

No, he is right on the money though.

Nathan Mumm:

Am I on the money? Oh, 100%, that's because he looked it up.

Marc Grégoire:

I have not. I have not looked it up. It is Don't Cry Over Spilled Milk Day. Oh, that's not quite the same.

Nathan Mumm:

I don't know, I was excited, I know.

Marc Grégoire:

Don't Cry Over Spilled Milk Day. So if you think a day on the calendar dedicated to not crying over spilled milk sounds silly, I have a sign.

Nathan Mumm:

So do we? I have a sign that says Don't cry over spilled milk. It could be worse, it could be whiskey. Have you seen that sign? Yes, I have.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's alcohol abuse.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, okay, okay, well, sorry, Keep on going.

Marc Grégoire:

Yeah, here it is right on our calendar every February 11th Don't cry over spilled milk day. Are you wondering who ever cries over spilled milk, except for little tykes? Could Nathan or Mike be crying over spilled milk? Did I would, yeah, yeah, well, I do not cry over spilled milk. However, as nathan says, if we were to spill our whiskey here, yeah, there'd be a chance I would cry. That would be too okay, now here are four whiskeys unspilled that we are tasting today okay, I'm still between my blue and yellow.

Nathan Mumm:

I think I think green is now going out. But okay, tell us about what we got.

Marc Grégoire:

So let's, let's talk about your blue and your yellow then. So blue is Bullhead Bourbon. This is from Spirits Lab Distillery in Newburgh, new York. It's straight bourbon, five years, 90 proof. It is 70% corn, 20% wheat, five malted barley, which is a strange mash bill because that only adds up to 95%. There's another secret, 5% out there and it is 45 dollars, okay, okay. And then the yellow one is barrel foundation from barrel craft spirits. It's a blend of kentucky, indiana, tennessee and maryland. Uh, straight bourbons, all from those different states okay, how much is that?

Marc Grégoire:

five to nine years blend. It's a hundred proof. 73% rye, so it's kind of a high rye bourbon. 4% malted barley, that is $60. Okay, okay, now we go to the green. Yeah, that is Breckenridge Distillers High Proof. Oh, so, from Breckenridge Distillery, which is from Colorado. It is a bourbon. It's roughly two years old, it is 105 proof, the match bill is unknown and 60. Okay, and then your red. I eliminated that. First for me is templeton fortitude bourbon. Oh, I actually know that name too. Okay, yeah, so this is from the templeton distillery in templeton, iowa it is straight bourbon.

Marc Grégoire:

It is unaged stated but it's at least four years old. It is 92 proof 55% corn, 40% rye, so really a high rye, that's the high rye, okay, and malted barley 5%, $45.

Mike Gorday:

Mark, you have destroyed my bourbon thing.

Nathan Mumm:

Which one are you voting for? The high rye, did you like the red one so?

Mike Gorday:

far, Mike. Yeah, I can't decide whether I like the red one or the yellow one.

Marc Grégoire:

Okay, okay, all right, okay, well, there you go All right, so you guys may have a different number one. I may have to be the tie driver. I have them ranked. Okay, okay, so whichever one ranks higher of your two moves on. Oh no, or we could cheat and move them both on.

Nathan Mumm:

No, no, no. I don't mind that either. We don't have any ties here. They don't have any ties, we'll go for it All right. Well, you know what Whiskey and technology are a great pairing, just like hot chocolate in a snowy winter day. Oh, that's nice, all right.

Ody:

Okay, real quick. I really enjoyed your pairing last week.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Ody:

Of the Muppets.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah.

Ody:

Yeah, I wanted to give you a shout out for that, oh thank you.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, okay, what was it it had?

Ody:

something to do with like oh.

Nathan Mumm:

Puppets and Muppets.

Ody:

Oh.

Nathan Mumm:

It was a puppet, I thought it was a Jim Henson and the Muppets no it was like.

Marc Grégoire:

And then the Muppets Odie, yours is better pairing.

Ody:

Yeah, thanks for ruining that moment for me.

Nathan Mumm:

Did you know that Disneyland is getting rid of the Disney World. Or Disney World. Thank you, odie, it's getting rid of the Muppet.

Ody:

Muppet Vision.

Nathan Mumm:

Muppet Vision.

Ody:

In Hollywood Studios.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, and they're going to put them into the roller coaster.

Ody:

Yeah, how dare they?

Mike Gorday:

But roller coaster, yeah how dare they?

Ody:

but yeah, yeah, disney doesn't seem to be able to make good choices anyway, other than that being a technology fail. What's the what's? Oh, let's go on to our technology fail.

Nathan Mumm:

We are out of time. Congratulations, you're a failure oh, I failed.

Speaker 5:

Did I yes, did I yes, I failed, did I yes, did I yes, did I?

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, all right. Nasa and world leading scientists have spent the last few weeks tracking to make an announcement about a new asteroid that they found out in space Nice. Is this an asteroid? No, guess what it is. It's Elon Musk's Tesla Roadster cruising through space that was launched in 2018 from the Falcon Heavy rocket. It's an actual car. It's an actual car. So Elon Musk is a part of his rocket deal. He launched a Tesla out there with a driver. It's like a dummy driver. That's in there. That is just out floating in space.

Mike Gorday:

You know, if I were a billionaire, I would probably do something like that.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, well, less than days after astronomers announced the discovery of a new asteroid, they issued a correction. So this is big. They have put the hours into this and they say that it's. Almost $300 million have been spent in hours of time tracking this asteroid, which is space junk. So the spacefaring object wasn't a space uh waste of money that elon musk caused.

Marc Grégoire:

That's what I'm saying. They can you know if you're.

Mike Gorday:

If you're a billionaire, you're gonna waste money on things. I think throwing your car into outer space, that's a pretty good waste.

Nathan Mumm:

This is a car speeding through our galaxy. It's the red Tesla Roadster belonging to Elon Musk. Musk famously shot his personal vehicle into space on February 6, 2018. His company, spacex, first tested the launch of its Falcon Heavy, considered the world's most powerful rocket. It took off with the Roadster aboard as a payload headed towards Mars.

Nathan Mumm:

Now, seven years later, on January 2nd, the NPC said that the asteroid was orbiting more or less within 150,000 miles of Earth, closer than the moon's orbit, meaning that it qualified for a classification as a near-Earth object. It came with the notice. The NPC is now erasing the asteroid from its record because professionally amateur astronomers this is it, the amateur astronomers high school kids. High school kids knew that elon musk's sports car was out there and and they were the part of the rally cry to NASA and all these scientists that the designation of 2018 CN41 is being deleted and admitted.

Nathan Mumm:

The MPC says the global authority for identifying and designating and tracking the position of minor planets has made a correction. It's interesting because the center of this is located at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge Massachusetts. A correction it's interesting because the center of this is located at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge Massachusetts. So you have all these scientists and NASA and all these other industries tracking this asteroid. And these young kids said you know what, could it be Elon Musk's car? And they were found to be right. What does that say?

Mike Gorday:

That sounds like a movie plot, it's not like a movie plot.

Nathan Mumm:

Wait a minute, it's like Goonies 2.2.

Mike Gorday:

No no, that's the movie of that asteroid destroying movie I've never seen those sci-fi.

Nathan Mumm:

It's not Armageddon, it's Deep.

Mike Gorday:

Impact, deep Impact, wolf Biederman.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, didn't they drill on that one and then they destroyed it? So the drill helped it.

Mike Gorday:

No, that's Armageddon. Stop mixing up your movies.

Marc Grégoire:

You're talking about crashes. So I'm wondering, Nathan, do you know if they know, since you've talked about automated cars all the time crashing, where is this one going to crash?

Nathan Mumm:

So this is what's going to end up happening. Elon Musk is going to send up some space shuttle into space and all of a sudden he's going to run into his own car and there's going to be this big explosion and then it's going to be lost, it's going to crash into the International Space Station or something.

Mike Gorday:

I just what's that?

Nathan Mumm:

How's that car recharging?

Mike Gorday:

You know I mean Solar energy, buddy Solar energy, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, we're going to head out to our last commercial break. When we return, we have our Nathan Nugget and, of course, our eluded picks of the day. So sit back, raise a glass. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm.

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Speaker 1:

This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, have you been getting a bunch of emails for the Amazon event that is coming on up? If you put all of your invites that have come because there's been five different with graphics, you put all those pictures together. Guess what it spells? It spells the word Alexa. Now Amazon sent out five different invites for its upcoming project event.

Nathan Mumm:

As we talked about, alexa is the key word for Amazon's company's digital voice assistance. With some insider information, we can tell you this event will be about Alexa's long-awaited AI for its talking devices. Oh, there's my poor Alexa's going off right now. Yep, alexa, stop, all right.

Nathan Mumm:

The Not so Good Investor suggests that at the event, which is being held on February 26th in New York City, amazon will launch the new generative, ai-powered version of its voice assistant. First announced in September of 2023, this new voice has some numerous delays, along with reported struggles to merge Alexa's existing capabilities with the revamped voice assistant, but it looks like it's ready for go time now. According to people familiar with the matter, the upgrades for alexa in this event will show off new features, including responding to multiple prompts in sequence and acting as an agent on behalf of the user by taking actions for them without even being directly involved. Okay, what does that mean? So that means that you're just going to be sitting there watching TV and then, all of a sudden, she's going to just decide to say, hey, mike how are you doing?

Nathan Mumm:

Hey. I don't know if she's going to be saying hey, but I think she will just come.

Speaker 7:

What are you watching? What are you wearing?

Nathan Mumm:

You like Simpsons? I want to hear more, more. That's what it's going to end up doing, right?

Ody:

does this mean that we can have like real conversations with the alexa now?

Mike Gorday:

I. I think that's the whole idea my conversation for for alexa is ask a question, listen to answer, yell at alexa for giving me stupid information, having the thing beep and then me tossing it across, oh so.

Nathan Mumm:

I think the idea is that you don't do that, that the new uh service that is coming from Amazon's uh device and service division Now the former head of this, david limp- Wait, wait, wait, can't wait. What's that?

Mike Gorday:

I I have a feeling.

Ody:

Yeah.

Mike Gorday:

They're going to be doing something to make more money oh, that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

Guess what this new service? This new service will cost you about ten dollars a month for it what yes to randomly ask you questions.

Mike Gorday:

Yes, that, that's probably why alexa sucks so bad right now because they're making it. So I'm gonna get so frustrated. I'm gonna buy ten dollars a month to use this device, so you're gonna get it now you can still hang on.

Nathan Mumm:

Hold on. It says that they're gonna allow you still, so I'm going to get so frustrated. I'm going to buy it $10 a month to use this device, so you're going to get it Now. You can still hang on. It says that they're going to allow you still to have the old version as the free version, but there could be a time when there is a go no-go decision where you're going to have to pay for this service to continue to use your device.

Ody:

So you're telling me I'm going to now have to pay what I already bought in advance to use the voice commands.

Mike Gorday:

How about that? Amazon is like a drug dealer. You know what?

Ody:

I go from there, what I go to Google. Okay, okay, google Blah, blah, blah, blah blah.

Marc Grégoire:

There you go, Bye.

Ody:

Alexa. She's always wrong anyway.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, they're saying that this new step is going to be a new.

Ody:

Man, I hate subscriptions.

Nathan Mumm:

Subscription freeze are so Okay, but you say that. But okay, let me ask you do you have a Netflix subscription? Nope, Through T-Mobile yes, Okay, that's the way to do it. Do you have the free version through T-Mobile? Do you know there's a free version?

Mike Gorday:

Yes, there's a free version that comes with that. I don't know.

Nathan Mumm:

Do you pay for it because we're a multi-family household? Okay, and you?

Ody:

want the multi-family streams.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, all right.

Mike Gorday:

At what point do we get so ticked off about all this crap that we just push back?

Nathan Mumm:

Cable is now the cheapest service I can get.

Mike Gorday:

This is one of those things that I don't understand why we don't get upset about.

Ody:

We do get upset, yeah, but we're not doing it. We get upset about because, we do get everybody but we just yeah, but we're not doing.

Mike Gorday:

We get upset and we end up paying it because, because it's a convenience factor. So like amazon is acting like a drug dealer. They're like saying here, try our product, here it's free. Yeah, you like it, right, okay, now. Now we're going to charge you 10 bucks a month to get it. Well, that's what. That's what we got there.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, the Nathan Nugget is just wait for the meeting on February 14th, because that's when the big Alexa bosses decide what they're going to do with this.

Ody:

That actually triggers me, because I just got a show pad for Christmas. I had waited Send an email before February 14th.

Nathan Mumm:

Just send it to Amazon. Go on to their customer service and say you better not freaking charge for your device.

Ody:

Can we tell Alexa to do that? I would switch to Google so quickly.

Nathan Mumm:

Google Gemini is getting better. I'll just tell you. It may be that that's a solution for you.

Ody:

Or.

Nathan Mumm:

Apple. Yeah, alexa sucks. Well, apple is going to own the market because they're waiting to be the very last person to develop this technology, so it'll probably be the best and it'll be the easiest and they'll probably hook you for free.

Ody:

Amazon has lost another contender.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, but does Amazon really care? I'm going to go home and ask Alexa why she sucks.

Ody:

That's why nobody moves to like cable or what have you. Yeah, think about it. That's why I have cable yeah, think about it.

Nathan Mumm:

That's why I have cable. Yeah, I guess you just get used to it all right. Well, you know what?

Speaker 1:

now we're moving on mark to our pick of the day and now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's see what bubbles to the top all right, this is kind of like a uh thread of chaos here, so you're gonna have to tell us what needs to be done. Let's look at that plug there.

Mike Gorday:

You gotta like very nice, there you go. Very good, all right, get it on amazon, there you go well, first of all, you gotta do it soon ask alexa there you go all right.

Marc Grégoire:

Well, after this train wreck, don't forget to like and subscribe oh, there you go, okay, thank you stop, please comment. Let us know what kind of whiskey you want to drink your tag.

Nathan Mumm:

You do your tagline about heaven can wait.

Marc Grégoire:

I'm working up to it. Now that these guys are having four whiskeys today, you guys need to drink responsibly, because heaven can wait. There you go, there you go All right. So we have the four whiskeys here. Which one is moving on to the finals? Is it Bullhead's Bourbon, Breckenridge Distiller's High Proof, Templeton Fortitude Bourbon or Barrel Foundation?

Nathan Mumm:

I kind of like yellow. Yellow is my pick, I think.

Mike Gorday:

I'll go ahead and choose yellow too. It's a lot milder than red. I like the high rye version Mark before you reveal.

Ody:

does the ranking matter at all or is it just the number one?

Marc Grégoire:

spot. Just the number one spot moves on, the other ones fall out.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, I think I'll go with yellow too. It's mild, all right Well yellow is Barrel Foundation.

Marc Grégoire:

Okay, that's the blend of straight bourbons from Kentucky, indiana, tennessee and Maryland. All right, five to nine years old, 100 proof, $60. And you are turning into connoisseurs. That was my number one, oh.

Nathan Mumm:

Good job, look at us, mike. Way to go. How about that? All right, I like that.

Marc Grégoire:

I had yellow Barrel Foundation, number one. I had the red, which is Templeton Fortitude Bourbon, number two.

Mike Gorday:

I had Bullhead's Bourbon, the blue, number three, and green Breckenridge Distillers High Proof number four, I was almost right on the money, but the green has this turpentine taste that's actually a little tasty yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

And red was just a little too hot for me. So there you go. All right, you know, I'm glad that we're becoming connoisseurs. That makes me feel so good.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know about that. I can't see you talking about finishes and flavor profiles.

Ody:

That just doesn't seem right to me yeah, if he doesn't say low burn it's not a real make and taste.

Marc Grégoire:

He's semi-connoisseur. He talks about corks and price and bottle shapes?

Mike Gorday:

Yeah sure.

Nathan Mumm:

Alright, well, you know what, mike, we're about. Out of time, we want to thank our listeners for joining the program. Listeners, we want to hear from you. Visit techtimeradiocom and click on Be A Caller to ask us a question in our talkback system. You know, it was great. Having everybody back in the studio Doing a solo episode is just not as fun. So let me tell you this Always remember the science of tomorrow starts with the technology of today. We'll see you next week Later. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1:

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