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226: TechTime's Horror Stories: AI's Creative Takeover From Humans to Skynet and Halloween's Scariest Tech Trends with Guests Nick Espinosa and Gwen Way | Air Date: 10/27 - 11/2/24

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Can AI take over the roles of creative professionals, and what are the scariest tech trends we should be wary of this Halloween? As we uncover the answers, we’re joined by Nick Espinosa, who shares his insights into the eerie world of modern technology. From Netflix's Moments feature, which promises much more than it delivers, to the haunting possibility of hacked robot vacuums communicating beyond the grave, there's no shortage of tech horror stories to keep you on the edge of your seat. Gwen Way also brings a gadget that blurs the line between tricks and treats, adding to our Halloween-themed tech tales.

Expect a whirlwind of unsettling tales as we explore the controversies surrounding AI replacing journalists at a Polish radio station. This chapter raises important questions about the future of human roles in the creative industry. Plus, a peculiar story from a Chinese aquarium leads us to discuss the chasm between reality and expectations, as visitors find themselves let down by a supposedly giant shark exhibit. Meanwhile, the hacking of Chinese-made EcoVax robot vacuums on American soil becomes a chilling reminder of the vulnerabilities that lurk in the gadgets we rely on.

As we wrap up, heed our warnings about cybersecurity risks during the holiday season, with cybercriminals refining their tactics to outsmart us. We reflect on the impact of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and celebrate significant milestones in internet history. For our whiskey enthusiasts, Michter’s US*1 Barrel Strength Rye 2024 whiskey makes a surprising appearance, proving to be a treat rather than a trick. Join us for a thrilling mix of tech, tales, and tastings as we celebrate the spooky season and ponder the future of our digital world.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. The show that makes you go mmm. Technology news of the week. The show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects we consider the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan mum, your host and technologist, with over 30 years of technology expertise. Our co-host, micro days in the studio today. Mike's an award-winning author and a human behavior expert.

Nathan Mumm:

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Speaker 1:

Let's start today's show Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

All right Today on Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Buckle up as we dive in the latest technology news and stories. Here's what we got coming up for the show today. Today is our spooky Halloween episode and, like clockwork, we have Nick Espinosa on the show to talk about the scariest things in technology in our haunted Halloween episode. First, is Netflix Moments really what they say it is for To share your favorite scenes with friends. We're also going to be talking about this Chinese aquarium that stunned to discover that their whale was Zonkers. All right.

Nathan Mumm:

Then we dive into an issue plaguing the BBC weather website, which caused quite a stir, and guess what? Robot vacuum speaking to you from the grave. Is that possible? Yes, it is. Now we're going to discuss how these things happen and more. We also have Gwen Way on for a gadget. Is this going to be a trick or a treat gadget? Finally, we explore the development of a possible Skynet system, just like the Terminator movies. In addition, of course, we have our standard features, including our technology fail, the week of possible, nathan Nugget and, of course, our pick, pick of the day whiskey tasting to see if our selected whiskey pick of the day gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. But now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology here are our top technology stories of the week all right, welcome to our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

Number one Netflix is having a moment, but its new feature, Moments, is not one of them. Let's go to Corinne Westland for more on this story.

Speaker 4:

This week, netflix launched a new feature called Moments that allows subscribers to share their favorite moments from the platform's massive library of content. The only problem is it doesn't actually do that. Here's how Moments, currently available for the iOS app and coming soon for Android, is meant to work. Subscribers can tap the screen at any time while watching Netflix content on their phone and find a Moments tab in the bottom left corner. They then have the option to hit Save and capture whichever scene they're watching, either in a library of saved moments accessible in the my Netflix section of the app, or in a message or social media post which they can send out by tapping the familiar paper airplane-shaped icon beneath each moment. The problem, though, is it is not that simple, nathan. Can you explain your experience more Back to you in the studio?

Mike Gorday:

It doesn't even sound simple when it spells it out.

Nathan Mumm:

That was the easy version, so let me just see so Netflix now. I hope that this actually takes on and they have to have some development work. I do want to say I love your hat Before I get into the story. I love it.

Speaker 2:

It's our Halloween episode.

Nathan Mumm:

I got Mario here and you know what od behind the board's got luigi, so yeah, she's even got a stash going all right now.

Nathan Mumm:

Let me just tell you. So, netflix their hope is to ideally have a system where if I'm watching a netflix show let's say stranger things or something on netflix, and all of a sudden I wanted to share it with you, I could click on here's a clip, share 30 to 60 seconds of that clip. You could then watch it on like facebook or whatever platform you have, and then you could laugh at it. We could all comment about it. Right, well, that's not how it happens to work. Flicks talk yeah, I mean because you see memes all the time right, little 30 second memes at the office and, and the idea would be a cool idea.

Nathan Mumm:

But here's the problem that you have. First of all, you can't really share 30 to second clips online. When you share it, it just starts at that place that you share. Both of you have to have, of course, a Netflix subscription, which is what they're trying to have happen to everybody. To get a Netflix subscription so that everybody has their service, you both have to be on the phone with the iOS app right now. So I can't have. If you have an Android phone, which you do, and I have my Apple phone and I send it to you and you clicked it on Facebook, you'd be hosed. So you have to have the same Apple and then what happens is when we actually click on it to share it, all it does is it shares a link.

Nathan Mumm:

Now YouTube have you ever shared a video on YouTube? You can start it at like 30 seconds. In 20 seconds, in Sure, why not? This is a feature that YouTube's had for maybe 10 years or something like that. I mean, it's not a new feature, but you could go in halfway in a video. You click share, you share it, starting at 32 seconds, and then the person watches it.

Nathan Mumm:

This is all that Netflix has, but it's so complicated that it just isn't opening up a web browser. You have to actually have the app, you have to be logged in and you have to have their special on your phone app only to work. So let me just tell you there's too many ifs and thens to have the system work. It is absolutely not easy to use, but a great idea. So this is what I want to say to Netflix Unfortunate, your moments link that you have right now is not easy to use. No one's gonna adopt it, but keep working on your technology. It's not like you're just one of the third largest media companies in the world, but if you were um, then maybe you call minutes.

Nathan Mumm:

They should be minutes instead of instead of moments. Keep on working on this, make it so it works. Please go to youtube right now see how they have it done and figure out a way to do it so that both people have a subscription and can have it work and I think you have yourself a system. But until then, moments is not a shining moment.

Mike Gorday:

I think you should just not do it at all, just stop trying.

Nathan Mumm:

Stop trying. Yeah, but did you do it here? Netflix does have a Squid Game coming out at the end of this year. We have a Squid Game coming out at the end of this year. Big deal, squid Game 2.

Mike Gorday:

Okay well, I did not even watch the first one.

Nathan Mumm:

You didn't watch the first one.

Mike Gorday:

I don't have a Netflix.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, if I showed you a link, you'd just be tough.

Mike Gorday:

You'd just be like Well, yeah, I guess it sucks to be me Well no that doesn't no, or it sucks to be Netflix.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know, you go, so netflix can keep it up. But, uh, swing and a miss this time. All right, you got story number two here, mike. Yeah, you remember that show max headroom. I do remember max headroom, max, yeah. So this is the first thing that popped into my head when I read this. But uh, in poland, yeah, uh, a radio station has replaced this journalist with ai presenters and that's not drawing a lot of happy, happy news from the public.

Mike Gorday:

A Polish radio station has triggered a lot of controversy after dismissing its journalists and relaunching this week with AI-generated presenters. Weeks after letting the journalists go OFF, radio Krakow relaunched this week with what it said was the first experiment in Poland in which journalists are virtual characters created by AI. I'm not a cat, oh, I remember that. Yeah, the station in the southern city of Krakow said its three avatars are designed to reach younger listeners. The change got nationwide attention after a journalist and film critic who until recently hosted a show on the station, published an open letter Tuesday protesting the replacement of employees of artificial intelligence. It is a dangerous precedent that hit us all and to a world in which experienced employees associate with the media sector for years and people employed in creative industries will be replaced by machines. So here it comes. There you go. Skynet is on the move sector for years, and people employed in creative industries will be replaced by machines. So here it comes sky net.

Mike Gorday:

Sky net is on the move. Uh demski worked at off off radio crack out from february 2022 carrying out interviewer interviews with ukrainians fleeing the war until august, when he was among about a dozen journalists who were let go. He said the move was especially shocking because the broadcaster is a taxpayer-supported public station oh, like a PBS station.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, so a PBS station decided to replace all their staff, so America wasn't the first.

Mike Gorday:

Poland actually decided they were going to take the first swipe at replacing human beings with live avatars.

Nathan Mumm:

So this isn't only going to go so far, right? I mean, we like having a personal connection with people, right?

Mike Gorday:

I don't want to be turning on king five news, our local news affiliate, and see a bunch of ai people on there well, that's why I thought about max headroom, because I remember, I remember that back in the day, yeah, and max headroom kind of is this idea of AI people, yeah, right, yeah, I mean it was cool back then. It's not that cool now.

Nathan Mumm:

Not when it's actually happening, all right. Well, we got story number three here. Just when he thought it was safe to go back into the water park, angry fans ripped an aquarium after its much-hyped giant shark was not what it seemed to be. Just when he thought it was safe to go back, all of a sudden we have a deepfake. That was announced at the Show Me World in Shenzhen, china, which opened on October 1st following a five-year renovation. So this was the Show Me Sea World in China was shut down for five years. They did a bunch of renovation.

Nathan Mumm:

Now, during the week-long dry run of the 645,000 square feet of Ocean Zoo that attracted over 100,000 visitors paying $40 to enter, guess what they had? The exhibitors were talking about a big whale shark exhibit that was over 60 feet in length. However, many felt cheated after they realized the so-called Regal Sea Beats was actually just a mechanical doppelganger. There you go, there you go. So all of a sudden, it was just sent to nothing. Now, photos taken from the tank glass show the fishy robot, which sports obvious gaps in its torso where its segments have been connected, evoking a prop that looks like a cheesy sci-fi channel shark movie. Aquarian reps claim that they created the robotic whale shark to adhere to laws prohibiting the trade of genuine artifacts. This is definitely a Halloween trick on most of those that attended, yeah that's funny.

Mike Gorday:

Well it's not funny, but it's funny.

Nathan Mumm:

So you're going to go to a zoo in China and you're going to see dogs dressed up as pandas, and you're now going to go to an aquarium and you're going to see a robot dressed up like a shark. Come on now. Clearly people aren't going to go and pay money to see a robotic shark. Probably that robotic shark probably costs more money than it would have to have two or three of the real life sharks in there running and doing stuff.

Mike Gorday:

I have to applaud them for going out of their way to do something to you know. Save the wildlife, because I don't know if you know what a whale shark is?

Speaker 2:

It's a rare, it's the biggest fish in the world.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, yeah, they should have said that's what they were doing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Mike Gorday:

Or maybe they should have talked to. Universal Studios and you know, gotten.

Nathan Mumm:

Was it Josh or Bruno? Yeah, Bruno from the. Was it Bruno? Is that the Nemo one?

Mike Gorday:

No, no, no, the shark from Jaws.

Nathan Mumm:

It has a name. I can't remember what it is. I don't remember Jaws, but I think Bruno's from.

Ody:

Bruce.

Nathan Mumm:

Bruce Bruce that's right.

Mike Gorday:

I don't know what you're talking about.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, that is our top technology stories of the week. When we return, Nick Espinosa from Security Finanics will join us to discuss the scariest technology items this year for our spooky Halloween episode. You will definitely be frightened. Stay tuned to find out this information and more. You're listening to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. See you after the commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without a political agenda. We verify the facts and we do it with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on our side.

Ody:

Now, today, mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is out trick-or-treating, so we have to get our whiskey from our producer, odie hello hello, okay, supply us with whiskey so today we are drinking mitchell's us one single barrel strength right, 2024 uh, from directly from their website. It is a butterscotch and cinnamon with a hint of cherries on the nose, warming rich, toasty, vanilla and caramel up front, with a dry oaky spice on the finish. The stats, uh. The company is mitra's distillery from chatham imports. The distillation is undisclosed distillery in kentucky. It's a straight rye classification at least four years. It's been aged with a 55.4% proof or ABV and 110 proof.

Ody:

The mash bill is undisclosed, rumored low rye rye and it goes for about $110 for 750 milliliters.

Mike Gorday:

All right. Well, it's got to be a low-rye ride, because I like it. I like it too.

Nathan Mumm:

I thought it was really good. Actually, this is no trick-or-treat, this is all treat for me. I tell you that this is good.

Mike Gorday:

You're really going to go. We're going with the Halloween theme.

Nathan Mumm:

Everything's trick-or-treat or spooky or this.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, that's right.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm going to let that bone go. You should put on the other hat. Are you going to put on your other hat that you had going on?

Mike Gorday:

We should do that during a commercial break. I think I'll just leave that right there. Maybe, I'll find somebody and hook them like dead by daylight.

Nathan Mumm:

Put them up on a chain. Alright, okay, Real quick.

Ody:

Mark does say please do not forget to like and subscribe.

Nathan Mumm:

In Well with our first.

Ody:

Real quick. Mark does say please do not forget to like and subscribe. In addition, please comment and let us know if you have a whiskey you would like us to review. Also, heaven can wait. Drink responsibly.

Mike Gorday:

Tell him to get back to his, convert, his, whatever he's doing His trick-or-treating.

Nathan Mumm:

His trick-or-treating event that he's at. All right, he's at a convention learning about technology, learning about technology, so I'm sure he's having a great time. All right, what was our first whiskey? Well maybe he's not having a great time.

Mike Gorday:

Conventions are where you usually drink.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right. That's our first whiskey tasting completed. Let's move on to our feature segment. Today, our technology expert, nick Espinosa, is joining the show. He's an expert in cybersecurity and network infrastructure and he's consulted with clients ranging from small business to the Fortune 100 level. In 1998, at the age of 19, nick founded Windy City Networks, which was later acquired in 2015. He then created Security Fanatics, where he is the chief security fanatic. We welcome Nick to the Comcast video stream to start our next segment.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts With our tech time radio expert espinoza all right, welcome to the show.

Nathan Mumm:

You know this is our tradition. You have been on every single tech time radio's halloween edition and you know what it was coming on up. I just came back from japan and we're putting things together and I apologize for sending out a late invite. Thank you for making sure you can attend. This is our tradition that we enjoy immensely. Let me tell you that.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, I know Happy to be here. Always enjoy this one. This is always a fun one.

Nathan Mumm:

This is because we're going to talk about the scariest stories.

Mike Gorday:

It was that this is the Drink More episode. This is the Drink More episode.

Nathan Mumm:

What's interesting is that you'd think that these stories were throughout the whole year, but most of these stories are just recent and are still some of the scariest stories of the year.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah yeah, and I went back looking. I'm like, okay, let's see what I can find for the year after. Since the last Halloween and sure enough, they're all from like the last two weeks I was like oh, my God. I don't know what that says about next week, but here we go.

Nathan Mumm:

There you go. That's right With the political stuff we're going to be talking about that. Well, let's talk with a subject that's really sucky.

Speaker 2:

So robot vacuums you like that little pun there? There you go.

Nathan Mumm:

Robot vacuums have been hacked and the attackers are yelling through the speakers. Nothing like an eerie sound coming out of a vacuum in a closet late at night. Explain what is going on.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah. So this is an interesting one and, quite frankly, a little bit terrifying if you've got kids, because robot vacuums across multiple US cities were actually hacked in basically the space of a few days and the attacker was physically controlling them and, to your point, it was yelling obscenities through the onboard speakers. Now what we're talking about is a robot vacuum, not iRobot that is now owned by Amazon, but a Chinese-made one called EcoVax that apparently we're buying in the United States. And here's a fun example as reported by the ABC Now.

Nick Espinosa:

Daniel Swenson, who apparently is a lawyer in Minnesota, was watching TV we're going to assume the Vikings when his robot started to malfunction Quote it sounded like a broken up radio signal or something. You could hear snippets, maybe a voice, so he thought basically something was screwed up. He checked the app, saw that somebody was accessing his live camera feed and remote control feature for his robot, so he reset his password, rebooted the robot and, of course, it started to move almost immediately again, and then a voice started screaming racial slurs through the robot speakers at his 13-year-old son. So good times on that. This is obviously another case of just you know a cheap Chinese product that is a knockoff of you know something that just doesn't have good vulnerability control because people are getting into these things left and right.

Nathan Mumm:

So do you have an actual model number of which unit that was?

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, it was like the Deets 9X or something along those lines. I don't have it in my notes, but yeah, it was like the Deets 9, something like that.

Nathan Mumm:

So it wasn't a Roomba or a standard, Not a Roomba Ecovacs.

Nick Espinosa:

Okay, so it wasn't a room, bar or a standard uh, not a room, but ecovax. Okay, if you have an eco, basically if you have an ecovax robot vacuum, you want to check this out. I don't care what your model is.

Mike Gorday:

Odds are the vulnerabilities everywhere I'm a little split on whether that I mean.

Nathan Mumm:

That would be kind of a fun prank to do right, you want to be on the other side, where you start and start talking to people yeah, but driving, driving somebody's vacuum around and yelling at them.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, maybe not obscenities, but yeah yeah, but this happened to google just before the pandemic where people had insecure nest, you know, like the nest cameras and thermostats, and attackers are breaking into google accounts and taking it over and there's like literally a recorded video of this guy talking like a three-year-old little girl in her crib about how he's Santa Claus, you know, and all these kinds of things, which is a terrifying prospect. If you're a parent, right, you don't want some jerk talking to your, you know, your toddler, you know, telling them they're Santa Claus or Jesus or whatever it was, and so it really just underscores that we need good controls in our life when it comes to our cloud-based technologies.

Mike Gorday:

Imagine you know your Roomba, coming up to you and going Hi, I'm Chucky.

Nick Espinosa:

Well, I mean, if I was controlling it, I'd say kill all humans, kill all humans. But there you go.

Nathan Mumm:

I mean, you know what? That's what happens sometimes when you buy cheap stuff online.

Nathan Mumm:

So if you don't know where you're buying it from and you buy yourself a cheap vacuum. Yeah, you kind of. Yeah, you got to be careful where you're buying your stuff from I mean even cables on amazon if you buy cheap, cheap cables for 3d stuff and and uh video cameras or especially audio stuff, if you get it really cheap, I mean there's a chance that they can have some knockoff stuff out there A that normally doesn't work good, but two that can be doing recording and screen caps and a lot of different stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

So you got to know where you're buying your stuff from. All right moving on. We have an election that's coming up. I don't know if you've heard about that, but it seems to be getting some news about that across the nation and all of a sudden we have some conspiracy theories. That are popping up, of course, with any election that you have, but it does seem that the Trump and Harris campaigns have been targeted. Explain what is happening here, Nick.

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, yeah, and interestingly enough, my daily video and podcast today was on Facebook, helping essentially the extremists with their coordination for after the election. So this is obviously very close to home, right, and we are almost at the election. But here's what's happening Both the Trump and Harris campaigns have been targeted directly for their cell phones and, according to the Associated Press, chinese hackers engaged in a broader espionage operation against Donald Trump, obviously running as a Republican, his running mate JD Vance, and then people associated with the Democratic campaign of Kamala Harris. And it's not 100% clear at least nobody's saying what data might have been accessed or taken, because this is an ongoing investigation and the FBI statement did not confirm the identities of the individuals in both camps and both campaigns. By virtue of that, but they said they were investigating a quote unauthorized access to commercial telecommunications infrastructure by actors affiliated with the People's Republic of China.

Nick Espinosa:

And I think it's important to remember for the record that when former President Trump was in office as President Trump, he refused to trade in his personal mobile phone for a secure one Because, remember, like the NSA, cia, they secure phones. This was a whole stink with President Obama back in the day and apparently Chinese intelligence was able to break in to then President Trump's personal phone that he was using to tweet all the time, as we know he did, and so this isn't the first time. He has he, he has, he's, he's been targeted Right, he's been targeted multiple times, and there's also no doubt that that Vice President Harris and she's the current vice president has also had her share of attempts, but as far as we know, they've been unsuccessful, and, as far as we also know, she traded in her personal phone for the secure phone that our government leaders typically have. So take that for what it's worth and good luck to us all next week what's that?

Mike Gorday:

well, they're, they're really. Maybe we should hack their whale shark, their whale shark and talk to you and talk to the aquarium goers there and yell stuff at them. Yes there, you go there you go, so okay.

Nathan Mumm:

So, Mr Excited over here, Mr Mike, he's going to be excited about this. The next one well, candidates will soon be commanders-in-chief of our military, and what's really glad about that is at least we don't have any autonomous weapons that are out there like Terminator 2, or do we?

Nick Espinosa:

Oh, we do, and I should say they're starting to come and we're actually not the first to deploy these. But here's what's happening. And here's the thing, because when it comes to autonomous weaponry, silicon Valley has usually erred on the side of caution and, to be fair, the stance of the US government historically has been pretty ambiguous on the use of autonomous weapons. These are weapons for the record that can essentially make decisions for themselves and then execute Like oh, you are the enemy coming over the cliff, I'm going to shoot at you Hopefully you're not a friendly, that kind of thing. But this mentality of ambiguity is starting to actually change. The US, for the record, does not ban any company here in the United States from actually making fully autonomous lethal weapons, and it does not explicitly ban them from selling things to foreign countries as well. And so let's talk about to your point, nathan, what I'm now calling Terminator 1.0, because, why not, I'll meet you in the bunker in five years as we're shooting at these things Now.

Nick Espinosa:

Last month, palantir's co-founder and annual investor his name is John Lonsdale basically showed a willingness on stage to consider fully autonomous weapons, and Palantir would be one of those companies that would be pioneering this. So at an event, basically at the think tank Hudson Institute, lonsdale, presented rather a hypothetical where China had embraced AI weapons. But the US has to quote press the button every time it fires. And so, by virtue of that, he encourages US policymakers to embrace a more flexible approach, if you will, to basically AI in weapons. Now his other co-founder, van Drouel Palmer, luc Lucky, also had an openness to these kinds of weapons.

Nick Espinosa:

And Lucky went one step further. That, I think, should kind of terrify all of us, because during a talk earlier this month at Pepperdine University in California, he basically talked about US adversaries that, quote, use phrases that sound really good in soundbite. Well, you can't agree with a robot that a robot should never be able to decide who lives and dies. And my point to them is where's the moral high ground in the landmine that can't tell the difference between a school bus full of kids and a Russian tank. And so, by virtue of that, here we are, and this isn't the first time we've seen this the Russians are moving towards autonomous weaponry in their war in ukraine, the chinese are, the south korean have deployed um uh autonomous weapons along the demilitarized zone against north korea, and obviously those are a lot more rudimentary than the more advanced ai we have now. So this is coming, terminators are on their way and the ukraines are working on ai drones. So a whole new world ed Ed 209.

Mike Gorday:

Remember, you know where that's from. What's that?

Nathan Mumm:

Ed 209. What's that from RoboCop? You're a big RoboCop fan, aren't you? Uh, yeah, yeah.

Mike Gorday:

It's one of the things that I watched. It was. It was way ahead of his time when it came out.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah yeah, time when it came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right all right.

Speaker 2:

Well, guess what we?

Nathan Mumm:

got to end on a positive note here. So finally, the holiday season is upon us. So at least we have the peace and confidence that if we're searching websites on the web for holiday shopping, that we have nothing to be concerned about.

Nick Espinosa:

Right nick, oh my god you know why do I always have to be the debbie downer on this show?

Speaker 7:

can I just?

Nick Espinosa:

can I just ask that question? Yeah, let's end on a positive note and talk about phishing. Okay, because cyber criminals are now offering tools to help other cyber criminals basically help their own phishing pages avoid detection by our security controls and our security tools. Basically, these services are designed to prevent our security crawlers, meaning those threat detection companies that are looking for these phishing sites so they can add them to databases. So we can't go there. They basically now have tools that are designed to prevent these crawlers from identifying phishing pages and therefore putting them on block lists. So, by filtering out cybersecurity bots and essentially disguising phishing pages from these types of scanners, these tools essentially extend the lifespan of malicious sites.

Nick Espinosa:

And to your point, we're coming up to the holiday season, so click here for that toy that nobody could get right, and you're going to have desperate parents looking for whatever the tickle-me-elmo is this year doing these kinds of things, and oftentimes their threat detection systems they're relying on to block the phishing site may simply not see it. That's the thing, and here's the issue. For us, good guys, these tools are easy to use. They allow any unskilled attacker to essentially increase their effectiveness of their attacks for relatively low price. So happy shopping everybody, because that's essentially what's happening here and it's absolutely nuts all right, well, thanks, you feel much better no, to end on, not so much.

Nick Espinosa:

I got, I need to go.

Mike Gorday:

I need to go and get a you know, a chinese vacuum cleaner, just so I can have somebody to talk to me while I'm happy to yell at you.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, Nick. Well, it's always great to talk about. These are, of course, not only some of the subjects that you guys work on for your security. Tell everybody else how they can get in touch with you after the show off show. How would somebody get in touch with you?

Nick Espinosa:

Yeah, absolutely, you can like share. Follow me on Facebook and Twitter at Nick AES or slash nick espinoza. Follow me on youtube as well, and I'm always putting out content, always happy to hang out uh, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks nick, I can't wait till next year's halloween edition either.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, there goes, nick. Thank you. Oh boy, it's not. Isn't that positive to think about.

Mike Gorday:

All those great things are yeah, I just in the last two weeks. I'm just filled with positivity right now, are you? Yeah, I came in complaining about technology.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm going to leave swearing it all out now, but you do have whiskey to drink during the show, so that will calm you down, right.

Speaker 7:

No, not, really, Not really.

Mike Gorday:

It'll just make it easier for me to throw my computer across the room when I get home, or whatever I'm going to do.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, just be careful it doesn't hit that vacuum, because it could be talking to you.

Speaker 2:

All right, well, that ends our Ask the.

Nathan Mumm:

Expert with Nick Espinosa. Now up, though, we have our Gadgets in Gear, gal Gwen Way.

Speaker 1:

What's new in our Gadgets in Gear.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we're excited to have both Nick and Gwen on the show today, so I can't wait to have that taken care of. So let me just tell you, gwen is coming to our Halloween special. She has a gadget and gear and we want to have all the listeners kind of listen to see what we have going on here, to see if this is something that is a great idea or not great idea. All right, are we able to get Gwen up on the screen there? Gwen, is your camera on?

Gwen Way :

My camera is on and it seems to be giving us problems. I consider this an absolute trick. Thanks technology.

Nathan Mumm:

That's okay, we can hear from you here. That's not a problem, we have you there the. Chinese are looking, they're taking care of you. So tell us, what we have for our gadget in gear today.

Gwen Way :

So it's funny that Mike actually mentioned Robocop earlier. I'm a big fan of late 80s, early 90s just fun movies and one of my favorites for this time of year is actually the Lawnmower man.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Gwen Way :

It's a great flick where a scientist who is focusing on neuro studies digs in, gets a helmet that can actually stimulate the brainwaves he originally tested on apes and then decides to test it on a human. Big problems occur, because of course they do, but as a high schooler, when I first saw it, my first thought was oh, I want one of those. Well, guess what, ladies and gentlemen, you can get one now.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so what is this device? Let's talk about this device on Kickstarter. So this is a advanced brain computer interface, is that correct?

Gwen Way :

That is correct. The name of the product is Broadmind. Their kind of catchphrase is unlock the power of your mind, which is pretty exciting and sounds amazing. Exactly like in the movie. But exactly like in the movie. I think there are some problems with this device.

Mike Gorday:

What is it supposed to do? That's what I'm unclear about.

Gwen Way :

It is supposed to take input directly from your brain and allow you to play games, utilize VR, without actually having to move around and endanger pets, children, spouses, friends, family furniture, whatever children, spouses, uh, friends, family furniture, whatever. So theoretically, you could put this on. You can sit on your couch, put your visor on and be able to do all of the fun stuff in the game shoot, climb, slash, whatever you're doing, uh without actually physically moving this is like ready player one so so, yeah, basically so.

Nathan Mumm:

So this is a device that, uh, we'll see if we can get od to actually uh, uh, put up the kickstarter page so you can actually take a look at this kickstarter page. Um, and essentially it's a device that goes on the outside of your mind, is that correct?

Gwen Way :

exactly it goes on your head. You just put it on over your hair just like normal, like you would wear a hat or something else, and you're able to suddenly control your computer with your brain.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, All right Now. How many backers does this have? How much money has it raised? Where are we at so far on this?

Gwen Way :

So it actually has 183 backers, which surprises me somewhat, and has raised $141,000 of a $30,000 goal, so it is successful as far as all of that is concerned.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, and what is the company that is backing this?

Gwen Way :

there's where we get interesting. So the company is calling itself broad minds the same as the product. Okay, uh, this is the first thing that they have offered. Uh, and I'm gonna go in a little bit in detail to show you what you can look for to see things that are maybe too good to be true. On kickstarter, okay, I think this one definitely falls in are you saying that this isn't what they're saying?

Nathan Mumm:

it is well we do have it on the screen. So if you're looking at our live feed right now, we do have the the item coming on up in our uh gadgets and gear area. You can take a look at the kickstarter. So tell us more about this, gwen, as we kind of scroll through the pictures and information online.

Gwen Way :

So there are a couple of things that you want to look out for. Number one if you take a look at this product it's showing up on your screen right now. Does that really look like a high quality product or does it look like something somebody 3D printed?

Nathan Mumm:

It looks like a 3D printed device, doesn't it?

Gwen Way :

something somebody 3d printed. It looks like a 3d printed device, doesn't it? Now, if you're in the market for a 3d printed device, that's fine, but in this kind of case that's probably not going to actually give you the functionality that they are probably they are promising okay, so that says it's top quality, though it says on the things it top quality materials that made it?

Mike Gorday:

maybe, and you see a guy putting it on his head. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that neuroscience hasn't advanced this far yet, so I think this is probably bogus.

Gwen Way :

And I doubt very much that neuroscience is going to advance on Kickstarter.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, I don't think that. So Elon Musk is trying to develop a device.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, we already know.

Nathan Mumm:

He's spending millions of dollars paying somebody to have as a test subject, but this device right here is on Kickstarter and it looks like it does exactly some of the same stuff. So continue on, Gwen. I'm just so excited about this because this guy for a couple hundred bucks, I think I could do the same thing.

Gwen Way :

Exactly. It's $300 for the base model right now. You've got five more available at that price. That's actually one of the other things, though you only had three different versions. You've got the base model that is only available in a limited amount, and then you've got the full model, which is available unlimited.

Nathan Mumm:

So is it the same device, though, or is it a different, like a Rev-A and a Rev-B? So is it the same device, though, or is it a different, like a Rev-A and a Rev-B, or is it the same device and you have to pay to unlock it?

Gwen Way :

It's actually the same device. You do have to pay to unlock some features. The main difference with the larger price is that you've got access to what they are calling Broadmind SDK.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, the software development kit.

Gwen Way :

Exactly. So you've got access to the software development kit if you pay the whole cost. Otherwise it's pretty much the exact same thing. So that's $600 for a development kit, basically.

Mike Gorday:

Okay. So the whole idea is this is that you put this on your head while wearing a virtual reality setup and you sit and play video games like you do with a regular video game Exactly your mind does all the controlling and you don't have to look around and do whatever. That's right.

Nathan Mumm:

So if I'm playing the Sea of Thieves, I can just think I to shoot you and line up and I'm going to snipe you across the sea.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, that makes total sense to me, does it Exactly?

Gwen Way :

So you can sit there on the couch, you know, shooting people in Sea of Thieves, and like, eat potato chips or whatever you want to do you know?

Mike Gorday:

there's this movie called what is it? Click where has like a yeah a universal remote.

Gwen Way :

Yeah, that's kind of the same one, yeah yeah, yeah. Anytime you're seeing something on kickstarter that looks like, uh, something out of an adam sandler movie, it's probably not going to be the best way to go all right.

Mike Gorday:

So if we're doing a trick or treat, targeting is targeting your occipital and parietal lobes of your brain right.

Gwen Way :

Yes, exactly this is so dumb.

Mike Gorday:

There are 183 dumb people that are giving these people money.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, I hope none of them are independent people that just decided to actually back this. So would you consider this, then, a trick or a treat?

Gwen Way :

Oh, this is very much a trick and I am so glad that we had the opportunity to demonstrate to our listeners what to look for when you are checking things out on Kickstarter.

Mike Gorday:

I think it's been a real treat that we talked about this thing.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, it does say. We always talk about some great things on Kickstarter. Kickstarter is a platform where you help inventors create stuff, but it also is a great platform for scammers out there to come up with ideas and have you invest the money. And be careful, because if you're not putting it on your credit card and you're just putting it on a regular bank card once you make this deposit, the deposit is final, so that money goes away. Kickstarter does not refund you, so we're like getting a DeLorean online.

Mike Gorday:

Hang on Be nice there now Alright, gwen.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, thank you for coming on the show. It's always a pleasure talking about you, about new gadgets. Hopefully I'm sure we have some coming on up for the holidays. We'll have to make sure we send you a camera so that we can get you and see you next time on the show.

Mike Gorday:

I think you should get one just to see what it looks. We'll see what it actually does. Buy this device.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, it probably won't even massage your hair.

Speaker 4:

I don't have any hair, so it won't work on me.

Ody:

That's probably one of the cheapest things that you'd lose your money on too. Wow, wow.

Nathan Mumm:

All right.

Nick Espinosa:

Well, that ends our segment.

Speaker 4:

Gadgets in Gear. Oh, smack down for Bodie.

Nathan Mumm:

Up. Next we have this Week in Technology, so now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we're going to be doing so during the break. Bye, gwen, you're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, mike. Yeah, what's up?

Mike Gorday:

Hey, if you really like us, you can use your support on patreoncom. Or is it Patreon? I think it's Patreon, okay, patreon, if you really like us, you can like us at patreoncom I butcher the English language.

Nathan Mumm:

You know, you butcher the English language all the time. It's patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

If you really like our show, you can subscribe to patreoncom and help us out.

Nathan Mumm:

And you can visit us on that Facebook platform. You know the one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio. At Tech Time Radio. You know what? There's a trend here.

Mike Gorday:

It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech Time Radio, or you can even Instagram with us and that's at Tech Time Radio.

Nathan Mumm:

That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok and it's Tech Time Radio. It's at Tech Time Radio.

Mike Gorday:

Like and subscribe to our social media Like us.

Nathan Mumm:

Today, we need you to like us.

Mike Gorday:

Like us and subscribe. That's it.

Nathan Mumm:

That's it. It's that simple.

Speaker 1:

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Bum. That was a nice hat on you there, mike, during the break there you go.

Nathan Mumm:

That's my hook hat. Okay, now let's talk about what happened on October 28, 1998. The US President, bill Clinton, signs into law the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the DMCA. The law is intended to criminalize production and dissemination of technology designed to cultivate digital copyright protection, known as the Digital Rights Management or DRM management or DRM. The DMCA is affected by the worldwide cryptography research community since it's an argument can be made that crypto services violate the DMCA. The arrest of Russian programmers over the last couple of years was a highly publicized example of the laws used to prevent or penalize development of anti-DRM measures. That was this Week in Technology. If you ever wanted to watch some tech time, with over 200 weekly broadcasts spanning four plus years of video, podcasts and blog information, you can visit us at techtimeradiocom to watch our older shows. We're going to take a commercial break. When we return we have the Mark Bumble Whiskey Review. See you after the break.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

S-T-O-R-I-Coffeecom, the segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey.

Ody:

Mumble All right, gentlemen, yes, Okay, do you know what we're celebrating today?

Mike Gorday:

It's National.

Nathan Mumm:

Cat Day I'll give you a hint. Okay, are you ready? Sure, oh, that's a modem American Online. Okay, okay, american Online modem.

Mike Gorday:

National.

Nathan Mumm:

Dial-Up.

Ody:

Day. No, but it has something to do with the dial-up.

Mike Gorday:

National Phone Day no. Modem Day no.

Ody:

Why did we dial up before?

Nathan Mumm:

To get to the internet Because we were idiots. Okay, so the creation of the internet.

Ody:

It is National.

Gwen Way :

Internet Day, oh National Internet.

Nathan Mumm:

Day. Oh, I thought Al Gore created the internet he did Shut up Anyway, out of his lockbox.

Mike Gorday:

It is National Catch Day too, because Alexa told me this morning oh, did it really?

Nathan Mumm:

She can't tell me anything useful. So so you're like, all right, I hate it, tell us about national.

Ody:

So looking back at AOL's quaint, you've Got Mail.

Nathan Mumm:

Yep.

Ody:

Ads circa 1997. Few could imagine what the internet would mean all these years later. We love the new thing called email, but could we imagine booking an entire overseas vacation on our phones at 3am or something called TikTok, or the web's worldwide implications?

Mike Gorday:

No, no Tick flex.

Ody:

Anyway, that is today. So another product that comes to us from the 1990s is Mitcher's team that has been pioneering. That has been doing pioneering work to reestablish the high quality American rye whiskey category. For maturation the rye distillation is entered into the barrel at 103 proof rather than a more industry standard higher proof of 125. Barrel entry at a lower proof costs maturers more money in terms of barrels and warehousing but they believe it yields a richer, smoother, more full-bodied whiskey after proper maturation. Most barrels in the release releases range from 107 to 112 proof, straight from the barrel To savor it. It is a unique experience for anyone who enjoys rye whiskey.

Nathan Mumm:

Alright. So, mike, you're not normally a rye guy, though.

Mike Gorday:

No, I'm not a rye person.

Nathan Mumm:

What do you?

Mike Gorday:

think of this. This is really good. As my tastes for whiskey have progressed, my tolerance for rye has risen. Okay If it's a high rye I don't do those very well, so I can pretty much guarantee this is a low rye one. A low rye rye because it's not burning the crap out of my mouth.

Nathan Mumm:

So it's not necessarily the proof that you're worried about. It's the rye content in there.

Mike Gorday:

It's the rye burn. I don't like the rye burn of both ryes, all right, so tell us more, mike.

Ody:

So Mark absolutely loves this rye. He has nothing but praise for it. He wondered what Nathan and Mike would think, so he asked the internet. That is what it said, and parentheses and Odie, do not gag while reading this. And parentheses Mitchers oh my gosh, mitchers. Barrel strength ride 2024. Is likely to impress both Nathan and Mike From tech time radio, given their appreciation for unique and robust whiskeys and the host's appreciation for distinctive tasting experiences. The 2024 release should appeal to these whiskey aficionados. Oh yeah, looking for a strong character and a smooth finish nice.

Mike Gorday:

Did he get that? Did he get that from radio krakow? Or from the whale shark in china? Or maybe the room bug?

Nathan Mumm:

or chachi bt. I mean, he could have got it from there too.

Mike Gorday:

He got it from his vacuum cleaner. His vacuum cleaner yelled at him while we were doing this.

Nathan Mumm:

Does he say if this is his top shelf or?

Mike Gorday:

mid shelf he does not.

Ody:

This is a top shelf.

Nathan Mumm:

How much is it per bottle? Again?

Ody:

Give me a moment. It is $110 for 750 milliliters.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, I think this is on his top shelf.

Ody:

But I think it goes for $3.50 on the secondary market.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, so this is one of the little marks. I found it on the first market and I'm selling it on the secondary market as I'm down in Las Vegas right now, probably.

Mike Gorday:

Is that where he is? Is he?

Nathan Mumm:

in.

Ody:

Vegas. He's out trick-or-treating at a conference.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right.

Mike Gorday:

He's having a good time there Well well, if it's in Vegas, yeah, there's a lot that's going to stay there.

Ody:

That's right, right, and we're never going to know about it. That's right.

Nathan Mumm:

Thanks for the mumble as always whiskey and technology are great pairing, just like Reese's peanut butter cups and Halloween. Okay, that see that. That was a good one Okay good, there you go.

Mike Gorday:

You should have had some screwball today too.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh well, you know what, since we're in our new Studio 400, right outside the studio door there's a whole full bar set up, so afterwards we can just drink and drink and drink.

Mike Gorday:

We're going to have some screwball. I saw an ad on TV about that.

Nathan Mumm:

Did you really? Okay, there you go. Let's move on now to our technology fail of the week. We are out of time. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 4:

Oh.

Speaker 7:

I failed. Did I yes, did I yes, did I.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, alright. Well, this week comes to us our failure from the BBC weather app. The BBC weather app forecasted hurricanes across the world. Fought with the BBC weather app. The BBC weather app forecasted hurricanes across the world. A fault with the BBC weather website and app has led to incorrect forecasts and impossible high wind speeds in the UK and across the globe.

Mike Gorday:

We're talking like 3,000 miles an hour.

Nathan Mumm:

Graphics warned of hurricanes and showed estimated wind speeds of 13,508 miles per hour in London and 5,508 miles per hour in London and 5,294 miles per hour in Rome, far in excess of any genuine hurricane such as Milton, which reached not even one-tenth of those miles per hour which struck Florida Now. It also reported temperatures of 404 degrees Celsius. 100 degrees Celsius, I believe, is when you're melting. So it was 404 degrees Celsius. 100 degrees Celsius, I believe, is when you're melting.

Ody:

So it was 404 degrees Celsius. So these countries don't exist anymore.

Mike Gorday:

No, New York City doesn't exist.

Nathan Mumm:

The.

Mike Gorday:

Earth has finally had enough with all this stuff, and they're just wiping everybody off the Earth.

Nathan Mumm:

Sydney was at 378 degrees Celsius. So the BBC Weather said that they're aware of the data issue with a third-party supplier and are in the process of fixing the problem. So if you're jumping off a cliff right now because you're getting the BBC's weather app and it's telling you that you're going to be melted into smithereens, please let that go and continue on your way. All right? Well, now we got a couple minutes. What's that? We're saying something. You want to go to Nathan Nugget? Let's go to Nathan Nugget.

Speaker 1:

This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, we didn't know if we're going to get to the Nathan Nugget or not, but guess what? I just came back from Japan, so we're going to do a little debrief of my.

Speaker 2:

Japan.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, we know we. Now I got a nice Mario guy here from the Nintendo store in Tokyo. You like that, Mr Mario? We got it going around there. We're really excited about all the stuff that we have. Let me tell you about Japan. Japan was an interesting trip. Now do you think of Japan as a technology country by default?

Mike Gorday:

No.

Nathan Mumm:

It was not, and I was thinking for it as more of a technology country, and so I went there and most of the computers laying around there were still selling i7s, and we have i9 computers and all new computers. So I was a little disappointed on some of the technology. But I will tell you this they have stores that are five, six, seven, eight stories tall, that have over $40 million of inventory, that are like Toys R Us and computers, and I was there with two other individuals and we were doing a bunch of research for Tech Time Radio and a bunch of other items at the same time, and I could literally stay in a store for about probably six to seven hours that had kind of like Ikea, where they had food, so I could go and have food, I could sit down and play with my devices that I purchased. I could have electronics uh, amps, everything that you would ever think of Washer machines, luggage Uh, as a matter of fact, I brought some whiskey wine back from the same store that I could buy toys from.

Nathan Mumm:

And all these they're called camera stores. All of them have camera stores, but what it is is a big, big box store.

Mike Gorday:

Big old Walmart.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, it's a Walmart times three with tons of storage and all they do is they got stuff available there for electronics. So if you are kind of a geek and you want to go geek out, tokyo is probably one of the greatest places to go buy little knick-knack stuff and memory cards and all this other type of stuff. I'll have to show you what I got offline, because I can't really show you some of the technology stuff that I bought online.

Speaker 2:

But, there you go.

Nathan Mumm:

So there's some cool stuff there too. All right, Well, I think now we need to go into our pick of the day whiskey tasting.

Speaker 1:

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top all right, what do we have od?

Ody:

today we are drinking mitcher's distillery from the chatham imports. This distillation is undisclosed distillery in kentucky classified as a straight rye aged at least four years, with 110 proof and 55.4 abv all right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, thumbs up or thumbs down, mike. What do you think?

Mike Gorday:

oh, this is definitely getting a thumbs up. For me, this is really good. It's got a very nice smooth taste and fruity over to undertones. It's really nice, got a really good finish. I am literally talking about a rye whiskey.

Nathan Mumm:

I can't believe that. You know what's really interesting is, although Mark likes it a lot, look how much we have left over.

Mike Gorday:

We're going to finish the bottle. I think maybe we can have that a little bit after Mark. You're not getting this bottle. There you go, we're going to drink it.

Ody:

The ghouls are going to take it.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right, I'm going to give it a thumbs up also. I thought it was really good. I thought this absolutely would be a top shelf whiskey. I like the bite. I do like rye, as long as I don't get that initial bite and it stays. I like the bite that comes and then it kind of palettes out so you're not having to worry about it too much. Any other aspect for that? Well, I think we are just about out of time here. Can I ask you a question about Japan? Real quick?

Ody:

Yes, did you really notice any of the wardrobe choices over there, or is that something you don't pay attention?

Speaker 2:

to.

Mike Gorday:

Do you know him? Fashionista is not one of his works, right, but they have a very distinct wardrobe Like the pagodas.

Nathan Mumm:

Is that what you're trying to say?

Mike Gorday:

No, she's asking if you see any golf shorts over there.

Nathan Mumm:

So there is a lot of schoolgirl outfits. I don't know what else to call them, but they're like the high skirt outfits. Everybody seems to wear those with the high nylon type of stuff. Wow, mike. Okay, is that what you were asking for, odie, if I saw any of the high skirt outfits?

Ody:

I mean, I guess.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, but you got to remember.

Mike Gorday:

Were you really interested in schoolgirl. What were you interested in?

Ody:

Well, I just know that they have a very high sense of fashion over there, but they've also got like they're very into anime over there, so they are.

Nathan Mumm:

I was sitting on a bus, A 70-year-old guy is reading anime. I couldn't believe that. I was like what the heck? It's like a cartoon he's reading there and he had a great time. So, yes, well, I will tell you that if you haven't been to Japan, you should at least go there once in your lifetime. It's probably worth taking care of.

Ody:

I don't know if I would go to all the locations Don't go with me.

Nathan Mumm:

I was a little bit of a stick in the mud so I was kind of just hanging back, which is very American of you. Was it very American of me.

Mike Gorday:

I will say that the bus system in Google works really good. That was very Nathan.

Nathan Mumm:

You want technology. Google will tell you which bus to take at which time. Unbelievable. Not a single mistake there. Well, we want to thank everybody for listening to our show today. Thank you for our new Studio 400. Remember I'm your host, nathan Mumm, with Mike Rodea signing off with a binary wink. See you next week. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1:

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