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224: Tech Tips for Holiday Scam Safety from Laura Bell Main, Tetris used as PTSD Therapy, and OpenAI Moves to be a For-Profit Business Plus an Interesting Nathan Nugget | Air Date: 9/29 - 10/5/24

• Nathan Mumm • Season 6 • Episode 224

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Laura Bell Main joins us to unwrap essential tips to help you avoid becoming a victim of holiday scams. We'll equip you with strategies to safely navigate the digital marketplace, while also offering practical advice for in-person shopping. As the festive season approaches, our conversation promises to keep you and your loved ones safe from the pitfalls of too-good-to-be-true offers and fake online ads.

Next, we shift gears to explore the surprising therapeutic benefits of Tetris in easing PTSD flashbacks. Discover how this classic game could serve as a tool for trauma intervention, offering hope to those in need of mental relief. We also delve into the potential restructure of OpenAI, following intriguing revelations from CEO Sam Altman, pondering how this shift might influence the future of artificial intelligence and the tech industry at large.

Balancing tech talk with a touch of nostalgia, we reminisce about the introduction of the CD player and share amusing anecdotes from Google's birthday celebrations. Our regular segments make a return, including the tech fail of the week featuring an outrageous billing error by Avis, and a look at how Seattle libraries are revolutionizing access to technology. Wrap up your listening experience with our whiskey tasting verdict, where we decide whether this week's pick is a hit or a miss. Stay tuned, stay tech-savvy, and stay entertained!

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Nathan Mumm:

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go technology news of the week. The show for the everyday person talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks Ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mumm, your host, and a technologist with over 30 years of technology expertise. Our co-host, mike Roday, is in the studio today. He's an award-winning author and human behavior expert. Now we're live streaming during our show on four of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitchtv, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom. Forward slash techtimeradio. Now. We're all friends from different backgrounds, but each week we bring the best technology show possible for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have Odi, our producer, at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1:

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. Today on Tech Time with Nathan Mumm, our guest Laura Bell-Main will be sharing crucial tips on how to protect yourself from the holiday scams. As we approach the festival season of scamming, are you ready to get all your fake scam emails here, mr Gorday? Sure, all right. Well, they only come up higher during the holidays. I just ignore everything. So you know. You just don't read any of the emails I don't read any emails.

Mike Gorday:

I don't answer my phone, I just—. You don't go out to the mailbox and get your mail. Yeah, answer my phone. You don't go out to the mailbox and get your mail. Yeah, I use their provided trash, can Okay? I completely cut myself off from society after being on this show. I don't do anything.

Ody:

I do the same thing. I live in a cabin in the woods. I go through it there. If it's not anything good, I throw it in the community trash Alright.

Nathan Mumm:

well, we'll see if that's a good way to use it or not.

Mike Gorday:

I don't have to worry about getting hacked. It's there for a reason.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, that's right, All right. Next we'll dive into the latest news on OpenAI, my buddy, Sam Altman. What is he doing with the company? We got some groundbreaking AI technologies.

Mike Gorday:

I like groundbreaking. That's cool.

Nathan Mumm:

Groundbreaking AI technologies. We're going to be looking to transfer that nonprofit roots to become a for-profit entity, so this is really interesting. We'll talk about this. I know Mr Mark Gregoire was excited to talk about this subject about my guy so we'll be talking about that. Now, do you feel stressed? We're going to discuss how arranging bricks can be beneficial to your mental health. And, fear not, are you feeling a little weary? There's a new emoji for that. Odie's going to be covering all of the new emojis that were just released to talk about all the excitements. And then, finally, we celebrate Google's official birthday, or will we? We'll be talking about what Google does regarding birthdays here and not on the web. And in addition, of course, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail of the week, a possible Nathan nugget and, of course, our pick of the day whiskey tasting to see if our selected whiskey pick gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. Now, everyone, it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1:

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, as we talked about OpenAI looks to convert from a nonprofit to a for-profit company. Let's go to Corinne Westland for more on this story.

Speaker 6:

OpenAI's history as a nonprofit research institute that also sells commercial products, like ChatGPT, may be coming to an end as the San Francisco company looks to more fully convert itself into a for-profit corporation. The Artificial Intelligence Company's board is considering a decision that would change OpenAI into a public benefit corporation. Is this the end of AI for the masses and all about the mighty dollar, or does this allow for more breakthrough advancements? Back to you guys in the studio to talk about this interesting next step.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. So this happens to some companies, right, they start as a nonprofit and they get so successful they decide to go to be a for-profit company. Now CEO Sam Altman acknowledged in public remarks Thursday that the company is thinking about restructuring, but said the departure of key executives the day before weren't related. Now that's pretty interesting because one of the big individuals to leave was the gal that took over when he was ousted at OpenAI, and she has since left the company.

Nathan Mumm:

Now I don't think it is related to it, but I think that when companies choose to go from nonprofit to profit, sometimes if you serve on a board or if you serve in the community of the nonprofit and you share all the information, there could be some conflict in the industry if you're sharing that outside of just the company you work for on a larger scale. The scuttlebutt inside that is not being announced yet, which I think will break and I'm pretty confident to talk about it, is that some of the leadership love the idea of having a nonprofit sharing that information not only with the company they work for, but many other companies that they work for, and with the new change that Sam's looking to do, he doesn't want them sharing their insights, sharing their visions for the next five to seven years, sharing all the great things they're taking a look at because they want to make money on those items as a for-profit.

Nathan Mumm:

That's right he wants his own stuff. So OpenAI was founded in 2015 as a nonprofit. Do you know who? One of the co-founders was Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the group of them came together to create an advanced digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by the need to generate financial returns. So will this public company hurt OpenAI's original mission?

Mike Gorday:

I don't know why you're looking at me. I don't have any. You know how I feel about corporate America.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, and do you think it's good that they're going from a nonprofit to a for-profit board For shareholders? It makes sense. It makes it easier to sell a product.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, for shareholders it certainly makes sense because they get to make more money. But now they're going to start doing what everybody else does. They're going to start gearing their. They want to have their stuff exclusive to themselves, right? This is one of what you were just talking about. They want IP, they want, they want that stuff so they can. They can patent it, they can, and then they can make bank on it and then they can start doing the whole. Well, you know, I'm going to keep this is our privileged information. We're not going to allow you to use that and go after people who do so, you know.

Nathan Mumm:

So do you think it's going to hurt chat, gpt and open AI? I don't think it'll hurt them.

Mike Gorday:

I don't think it's going to hurt it, but I think it's going to compound the already problematic issues that are being generated socially with chat, gpt Okay. That makes sense All right Okay. It's certainly not going to hurt the company.

Nathan Mumm:

No, I think the people will be rewarded that have worked at the company.

Mike Gorday:

I think a lot of people are going to make a lot of money, and that's probably the primary reason why people are doing this. I don't think it's for any sort of good for humanity type of thing, because then it would remain free right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, yeah, it would remain as a nonprofit. And so I do think that people are not quitting because they're upset. They're quitting because the vision is going to change and you're not going to be able to share in an open community. You can't go and do a lecture series at a university like Stanford, down in the California area, where Sam Altman in OpenAI is headquarters at, and do a lecture series and talk about AI and some of the secrets. If you're a for-profit company, sure and I think that's a big deal it's going to be.

Mike Gorday:

I guess we're going to be seeing Sam in front of Congress, a lot like Zuckerberg and elon and all these other people isn't that a tale as old as time though?

Ody:

yeah yeah, yeah, yeah right, this is.

Nathan Mumm:

This is just basic human but you're a superhero and people get.

Mike Gorday:

I wouldn't say there's even more of a superhero, but they don't want to but.

Nathan Mumm:

I the reason I think that the other executives are leaving is. I think they're just getting big parachutes. They're just saying, hey, you can't talk about AI anymore, go retire to an island. And I bet you most of those are like okay, I'll do that, thank you, I'm sure. All right. Next story Odie.

Ody:

Finally, there's an emoji to represent us all that is coming soon An exhausted face with bags under its eyes. It's one of eight new emojis that will appear on smartphones and computers next year, which also include a root vegetable, a harp, a leafless tree, a fingerprint, a shovel and a purple splatter, and a flag for the remote island in the english channel called sark. Although those might be goofy, the leafless tree is meant to raise awareness of drought and climate change, according to brian by hockey, who submitted it to the unicode consortium.

Mike Gorday:

Consortium I'm pretty sure that's not going to be used.

Ody:

No, that I am excited. See, when I first saw it, I was all excited because I love halloween. It'd be a great tree to use for Halloween. But that's not the culture climate one. That's the tree.

Nathan Mumm:

So what's the Nickelodeon splat supposed to be used for? I?

Ody:

don't know.

Mike Gorday:

I know what it's going to be used for when I saw it.

Ody:

I just thought of like, oh, if I really tanked like an interview or something, or if I had an embarrassing interaction with somebody Like a face palm.

Nathan Mumm:

Is that the splat type of thing?

Ody:

Yeah, I would send a splat Like oh, it just completely went up in splat.

Nathan Mumm:

Do you know? There's like a whole board that decides these emojis. Yeah, I did not know that until this story came on out.

Ody:

What was it?

Mike Gorday:

I'm glad that we have a lot of people sitting around trying to figure out appropriate uses for emojis. That makes me feel all warm inside for the human.

Ody:

They only allow a certain amount. They can do that, but there's no. What is it called? There's no.

Nathan Mumm:

Guidelines, that that's what it means yeah, like an eggplant and when they release it.

Mike Gorday:

The public's going to decide what the meaning is, because that's how it works yeah, like the tree. So sitting around determining what it should be seems like a kind of a useless thing but I'm excited for the tired emoji because that's just me every day.

Nathan Mumm:

So that'll be the number one. I don't understand what the heck to do with the flag for the. What the heck is that I mean? If I'm on an island by myself and nobody knows who I am, I throw that up.

Mike Gorday:

No, that goes into the plethora.

Nathan Mumm:

There's your word.

Mike Gorday:

The plethora of flags that already exist.

Ody:

Yeah, do you not? The of flags?

Nathan Mumm:

that already exist. Yeah, do you not? The ones that you never look at? Okay, okay, I get that now. Okay, never mind, because ours is American flags. Yeah, there you go. So they just said they weren't represented, so now they're represented. Yeah, they got some representation.

Mike Gorday:

See, I can get behind that, okay. You know, the sad baggy face. I understand that that's sort of a sad commentary on life the shovel not sure why we need a shovel.

Ody:

I'm excited for the shovel.

Nathan Mumm:

What's a shovel? Is that a pile?

Ody:

of crap.

Mike Gorday:

Is that what you're going to say? No, well, I know it's going to be shovel and the poop. Emoji.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, that's what.

Ody:

I was going to say Shovel and the poop, okay, there's that. And then I was thinking when you're trying to dig up gossip?

Mike Gorday:

I think it's going to be used like I'm going to shovel you.

Nathan Mumm:

Are you going to kill him?

Mike Gorday:

I'm going to hit you with a shovel. So instead of having a gun emoji or anything like that, I'm going to hit you with a shovel.

Ody:

It's a water gun. It used to be a real gun, no, I know and they switched it to a water gun.

Nathan Mumm:

Because we want to be safer for people.

Ody:

The fingerprint, though I don't know. I didn't know that it was a figurine.

Nathan Mumm:

It looked like a warp, yeah.

Ody:

So I feel like it's going to be used for that, okay.

Nathan Mumm:

I thought too, that's what I when I looked at it.

Mike Gorday:

I'm like so you're like warping to a new story or warping over your folks.

Ody:

Interdimensional thing. Yeah, yeah.

Mike Gorday:

Philosophical debating on what it looks like and what it means we dictionary right now, that's right. Take that urban dictionary.

Nathan Mumm:

All you got to do is be on Tech Time. We'll tell you what your new emojis are going to be. All right, anything else that you thought was great with those emojis.

Ody:

The root vegetable. I just go crazy about what's it called the office.

Nathan Mumm:

Bears beets Battlestar Galactica. It looks like a turnip, though it's a beet.

Mike Gorday:

Is's a beet or a radish?

Ody:

A radish, okay it looks like a beet, though.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, a beet that's how I'm going to be. Okay, okay, bears beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Ody:

Thank you, there you go, and then the harp.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah.

Ody:

I don't know.

Mike Gorday:

I feel like that'll just be funny to you. I think stuff, I'm just going to send the harp out.

Nathan Mumm:

Like shut up you can't play harp.

Mike Gorday:

Alright, there we go. That was an intense philosophical discussion.

Ody:

You heard it here first the breaking news right here, I feel much more enlightened.

Nathan Mumm:

We just literally came up with the reasons that they're going to use these emojis.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, it has no bearing on what actually is going to be doing.

Ody:

No, but watch it be used for what I'm saying. I'm pretty certain.

Nathan Mumm:

I know what things are going to be used for.

Mike Gorday:

It's not going to be used for anything innocent. I know that.

Nathan Mumm:

Speaking of some good stuff, let's move on to story number three.

Mike Gorday:

We're going to talk about the surprise therapy for PTSD being Tetris.

Ody:

Remember.

Mike Gorday:

Tetris.

Ody:

I love Tetris.

Nathan Mumm:

I like Tetris. I play it every day, do you? I really do, yep.

Mike Gorday:

I use it. I think it's very challenging. Instead of Minesweeper or remember that. Minesweeper I love, minesweeper I hate.

Nathan Mumm:

Minesweeper. I didn't really like Solitaire, but I did like the Hearts when they used to have the Hearts game on there, uh-huh.

Mike Gorday:

Or in, is that Uppsala University shows that playing the popular video game Tetris can significantly reduce flashbacks in people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. This idea is not entirely new and this particular angle involving Tetris has been in play since 2009. That's when Emily Holmes, now a professor at Uppsala University, began looking into whether the game could serve as an early intervention for people who have been exposed to trauma. In a study Holmes led 15 years ago, participants who played Tetris shortly after watching a traumatic film experienced fewer flashbacks than those who sat quietly after screening. While the results were encouraging, it was a small study with just 40 participants in a highly controlled setting. The latest study involved 164 healthcare workers in Sweden who worked with COVID-19 patients that were exposed to work-related trauma. It was conducted during the pandemic between September 2020 and April 2022.

Mike Gorday:

Tetris itself involves a spatial reasoning skill called mental rotation, which can help distract the brain shortly after traumatic events and also reduce flashbacks to historic events. The results were remarkable At a five-week follow-up, with the participants who experienced 15 flashbacks a week on average. Those in the control group, who only listened to the radio for treatment, reported an average of five episodes a week, while those in the gaming group just had one. This recent study goes further and proves that the game can prevent the reoccurrence of intrusive memories over a longer and longer period of time. So how does it work?

Mike Gorday:

Tetris requires you to exercise a spatial reasoning skill called mental rotation, where you rotate the visual image of an object you see it as from different angles in your head. It has also been found that taxing your memory resources with a concurrent visuospatial task reduces the vividness and emotional impact of mental imagery, such as traumatic flashbacks. That's where Tetrix comes in very strongly In demanding mental rotation. It is an example of visuospatial task that is theorized to compete with the same cognitive resources as the mental imagery underlying intrusive memories. This recent experiment shows that Tetris can effectively reduce those flashbacks. That's pretty good for a treatment that can be administered using a free resource, because you can play it online at no charge in a short amount of time and a single guided session. Holmes also hopes that this sort of intervention could even act as a preventative measure. So have you played Tetris? Yeah, I have.

Nathan Mumm:

I can see why it works right, because you have to change the object shape as it's coming on down to fill the line right, the object Tetris. You fill a line, you delete it. Fill another line, delete it. If you're playing against somebody else, you send penalties, normally to them when you delete the lines.

Mike Gorday:

Yeah, we're basically taking this visual field of information and saying what do I need this shape to look like to put in this particular space? And this is the shape that I have. And now I have to rotate that shape with my thinking skills so it really kind of engages the brain in a problem-solving manner, Is there?

Nathan Mumm:

other games that can do that. We'll find out on Mike's mesmerizing moment later in the show today. Okay, all right. Okay, well, you know what that ends our top technology stories of the week. When we return, we have Laura Bell-Main. She's going to be talking to us about holiday scams and how to protect yourselves in the coming months. She'll explain the practical steps to take to protect you and your loved ones. Stay tuned to find out more. You're listening to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. We'll be back after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm:

Going to make it All right. Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the top technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts and we do it with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, Mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, is back in studio and let me just tell you this thing over here is killing me.

Mike Gorday:

It's hot, this is hot.

Marc Gregoire :

Yes.

Nathan Mumm:

What are we sipping today?

Marc Gregoire :

Well, you complained last week about brandy. Yeah, it was too low. Proof Wasn't whiskey, so I brought you a kicker this week, and plus, I can pronounce it this week too. Okay, that's great. So we are drinking Elijah Craig barrel proof. This is B524. This is the latest one that's on the shelves right now.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay Now I'm a big Elijah Craig fan, generally, yes, and I was expecting it to be like my I don't know what we're going to be doing today. I was expecting it to be like my normal Elijah Craig, which is kind of a little bitter, but it's a pretty easy sipper. But this is I don't know. This is one of my favorites the standard.

Marc Gregoire :

Elijah Craig small batch is around 94 proof. This is, as we will see in a minute, quite a bit higher. Okay, elijah Craig's website to sip barrel proof is to experience bourbon in its purest form, uncut straight from the barrel, without chill filtering. Each bottle has its own unique age statement and we'll talk about that in a minute. Proof and batch number allowing for subtle nuances from batch to batch, but the nose, taste and finish are all Elijah Craig. So this has the general notes of Elijah Craig, which are vanilla, oak baking spices, caramel and a hint of dark chocolate. Now, this is from the Heaven Hill Distillery from the Bardstown Kentucky straight bourbon. This particular release is 11 years, two months. It's 130.6 proof. Okay, so that's where you're getting that kick.

Nathan Mumm:

That's a lot of proof.

Marc Gregoire :

Yeah, it's their same mash bill across their line 78% corn, 12 malted barley and 10% rye.

Nathan Mumm:

What's the highest proof you have on one of your shelves?

Marc Gregoire :

I have on my shelf. No, this is not the highest. This is the light whiskey that we had from Cat's Eye.

Nathan Mumm:

That was like 137. 137. Okay, Now this has got to buy.

Marc Gregoire :

I'm still looking for some hazmat which is over 140. 140? Remember, you can't fly with that. You cannot fly.

Mike Gorday:

Everclear.

Nathan Mumm:

Isn't Everclear, like $150 or something like that. Yeah, I guess I was talking about bourbon or rye or scotch.

Marc Gregoire :

Now this price on this bottle MSRP is $75.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so if you're a value drinker and want to get lit, if you buy the $70 deal, you can only have little shots here and there and you're going to be drunk. I'm glad you're thinking ahead. This could be a.

Mike Gorday:

Nathan, value deal here, right, I'm all into this.

Nathan Mumm:

Is that your cheap scale? Yeah, my cheap scale, if I spend this much more money.

Mike Gorday:

I'll get this much more.

Marc Gregoire :

And all those streaming today. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Let us know what whiskey you want to see on the show, and remember heaven can wait. Drink responsibly.

Nathan Mumm:

That's a good saying. I like that.

Marc Gregoire :

I stole it. It was so good.

Nathan Mumm:

You'll just say HHGPD and you'll be fine. All right, with our first whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment, our. Let's move on to our feature segment. Our technology expert, laura Belmain, is joining the show today. She's a global leader in developing secure software, with over 20 years of experience in software development and cybersecurity. She co-authored Agile, application Security and Security for Everyone. Her work has been featured in many international publications, including Wired and MIT Tech Review. She found IntoSecurity, a nonprofit and cybersecurity platform to evangelize security around the globe, and has been a guest on our show several times. Let's start the StreamYard video stream and begin our next segment.

Speaker 1:

This is a segment we call Ask the Experts.

Nathan Mumm:

Laura, welcome to the show. Where are you coming from today and how are you doing?

Laura Bell Main:

Let's start with those two big areas. Hello, it is lovely to see you again. I'm still here in beautiful springtime, new Zealand, so you know I'm watching you lot. Enjoy the fall season and I'll get into it, but no, it's lovely here we're preparing for the summer.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, there you go. You know I still need to visit New Zealand. That's on my list. Well, this would be the time to go. You know I'll go on down there. Laura needs to have a big cybersecurity conference and then I can just tell work. I need to go to the cybersecurity conferences she's putting on and then I'll just come right down there. Okay, All.

Speaker 2:

All right.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, we're glad to have you back on the show to cover subjects that are needing to be talked about in the upcoming holiday season. We have Halloween, thanksgiving and Christmas all in the next few months, so we're going to be doing a holiday special today and Laura is going to give us some subjects on how to safeguard yourselves for the holiday.

Laura Bell Main:

Let's get started right now. Laura, give us a couple examples here and let's let's begin this little segment. Ok, well, you know I love the spooky season. My entire household are getting excited about it, and then we roll around into the primary gifting period, so it's a time where we're all a little bit excited, we're reconnecting with people, and so the biggest thing we can remember from a scam point of view is that most scams work because they touch you here in your heart, not so much in your head.

Laura Bell Main:

So if you are really embracing skeletons and you know getting yourself decked out for Halloween, then they're going to play to your excitement. They're going to be there. Go, hey, here's something you should come click on. It'd be really great for what you're doing. Or here's a special offer that might be relevant to your interest. So remember that as you get more excited, as you get more into the season, people know this, and the best thing that they're going to do is try and appeal to whatever is easiest, at least friction. So friction is when we have to stop and think. So if I can stop you from thinking about something and just encourage you to click, that's where the beauty spot is for our criminals. So make it easier Step back from the excitement, take a breath, have a cup of tea and then think about whether you really want to engage with something.

Nathan Mumm:

All right. So my next question is what is a common way people are scammed in email? We do a segment called letters, but give us and those are all scam, phishing emails, but specifically for the holidays. What are some of the scams that people can see coming into their mailbox or inbox?

Laura Bell Main:

Yeah. So this time of year, we've got two categories right. We have honey and vinegar. So honey, sweet things. Those emails you're going to get from a relative hey, you know, I'd love to send you a gift certificate. Wouldn't that be amazing? Here, here's a gift. Or, you know, if you're looking at the social media networks you're looking at Facebook people reconnecting and wanting to reach out and invite you to things. They're going to play with those emotions, so don't let that happen. We're also going to look at special offers All of us, if you listen to the news just before the segment, there's a lot of tightening belts. At the moment, we're all looking for a you know, a high proof whiskey with a low price tag. So we want to be making sure that we are really thinking about does it feel too good to be true? Now, I was brought up to be told if you can't see the price, you can't afford it, and if it seems too good to be true, it's probably a scam. So that's probably the voice you want to keep in your head this year.

Nathan Mumm:

Those are good advice, right, you're never going to get an iPad for $79. I don't care what somebody is going to be doing.

Mike Gorday:

Or a free Lego Millennium Falcon. Yeah, you're not going to be getting those items right?

Nathan Mumm:

I mean, if companies gave those away they wouldn't be in business. You need to be smart enough to understand that if it's too good to be true, it probably is. Nobody during the holiday season is just gonna generosity driven giving you a deal so easy well, it's right, it is, that's right. Oh, okay, what are you saying?

Laura Bell Main:

there too, sorry for it as well, and we're primed for it. You've got black friday and cyber monday coming up right oh yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

And then, when now we have a prime prime, decided to announce a new prime day. So they got a a big prime day coming on out in a couple of weeks.

Laura Bell Main:

Well, all of our criminals know this too. So you're going to be watching for your special offers what type there? What can I get for my loved ones? And they're going to be right there in your inbox alongside it. So you know, take a breath, especially on places like Facebook, where you know there's no barrier to placing an ad and saying, hey, here's a special offer at a store you recognize there isn't a lot of validation down there. So be careful what you click and also be careful what you share, because even if you're sharing it because oh, this is a funny scam, look at this you might have people in your trusted network, your family and friends, who don't understand that you're sharing it because it's ironic, they might just click on it. So, you know, be mindful of what you share this season.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, I did get a. I got an ad on Facebook for an arcade one. It's like a video game knockoff type of deal, a little smaller, and it was like 79 bucks and there's like no way it's like 500 bucks. But this is a webpage, or the Facebook ad that was running and when you went into it, if you actually dug down deep to it, everything was just real discounted and they would only take payments, um, in crypto, for you to purchase these items. Probably a little too good to be true. You probably not wanting to do that.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, yeah, uh, what? What can we do to minimize these scams that come to us? What, what, what type of suggestions would you have?

Laura Bell Main:

Well, you know it is the holiday season, we're all busy, but having a little bit of a cleanup of your inbox, making sure you're not getting a lot of spam, is always a good idea. Just hit unsubscribe or just filter it to DevNull. If you're a nerd, just send it out there to the trash. I liked what you said earlier about just sticking that mail straight in the trash. Can In the physical world and digital world just go for that, and digital world just go for that. The other thing that we can do is really just start paying attention to details. So have a look at those email addresses where it's coming from. Is it really coming from where it claims to in that header? Have a look at the content of the email Now, because we've got chat GP, now everyone can be a criminal.

Laura Bell Main:

It's very easy to write a really convincing phishing email. You can go and do that for fun if you like. Just don't do criminal. It's very easy to write a really convincing phishing email. You can go and do that for fun, if you like. Just don't do crime. That's still illegal. So go and have a look in your inbox. Have a look at those emails that are, you know, a little bit suspicious and see, well, what could give this away. Are there patterns? And those patterns are always evolving. So take your time, be vigilant, be a little bit cynical and maybe you know as a way to really help little businesses and also do something nice to the holiday season and reduce risk. So three for one go out in person and buy from a physical store in your neighborhood for your gifts this year. That way, a, you're going to support local businesses and, b it's really hard to get scammed when you're going and shaking hands with somebody who's out in your community. Really hard to get scammed when you're going and shaking hands with somebody who's out in your community.

Nathan Mumm:

That's a. That's a. You know what? That's probably the greatest advice I've heard on here to for the holiday seasons Don't buy from Amazon, the big corporate. I love that.

Speaker 2:

Don't buy from the big corporate going out to the local businesses.

Nathan Mumm:

You're not going to get scammed If I have to go down to the cinnamon stick in my local town and I buy some arts and crafts stuff from there.

Mike Gorday:

Isn't it ironic that the more virtual we get, the safer it is to be in the real world?

Nathan Mumm:

It is how about that it?

Marc Gregoire :

is Absolutely.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, laura, let me ask you a question here. What have you seen in the cybersecurity world during holidays that has been one of your biggest red flags over, whether it was this year or previous years that you said, wow, I can't believe this happened, and either somebody fell for it or just barely was saved by that, that um attack I.

Laura Bell Main:

I think for me that there's there's stories every year, um, and it's sad every year because the people who really get hurt are not necessarily you know the folks like us who are, you know, tech savvy, but it could be like your grandma or your granddad it's someone close to you that perhaps that financial hit is really going to hurt.

Laura Bell Main:

Now, the ones that really tug on my heartstrings are the dating scams at this time of year, because you know a lot of people are lonely coming to the holiday season if you don't have a lot of friends or family around you and you might reach out and connect to somebody and, you know, try and make a new friend at this time of year. So you know those are the ones that hurt me, where you see somebody who's given over too much money or they've put themselves at risk in some way. So you know, protect your heart as well as your wallet this season and if you are going to go meet people online and make connections, make sure that you're being sensible and remember that love shouldn't cost you your bank balance. So if somebody is asking for money, it's probably a huge red flag.

Nathan Mumm:

So I mean, if all of a sudden I find this person that's out there on the Internet and they just want to come meet me, but they're across the pond and they're over in the UK, but they would come and meet me and love me as long as I can get them a plane ticket and $500, and they'll be there the next week, Are you saying that those would would not be advised to continue with?

Laura Bell Main:

I'm saying that might not be true love, but you know, use discretion.

Nathan Mumm:

It's true profit. That's right, All right. I have a friend that their mother has been single for a while and she started doing this older dating app themselves and what's happened is that she's got one of these friends that's overseas. Oh yeah, she's got one of these friends that's overseas.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh yeah, and she has sent thousands of dollars to this person to help them out, because they really connect and they really have things working really well. And it's $1,500 here, $1,000 here, $1,500 there. And the poor gal really believes that this person loves them and listens to them and they'll chat and have a great time and is very caring and continues to fall for it. I didn't even think during the holidays that that would be a big time, but I bet you that's probably larger than the summertime months when you're out having fun. So OK, yeah, absolutely.

Laura Bell Main:

We all want to be loved in the holidays. I got you.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, laura. Thank you for coming on the show. In closing what?

Laura Bell Main:

trouble used you most on holiday scams. We kind of just talked about that one or a key takeaway that we can have for this holiday season for all of our listeners. Chaotic, creative person, and you come up with novel ways to do things every day. You play with words, you play with your children. Now, all of those skills that make you beautiful and creative are the same skills our criminals use. So, rather than thinking them as some kind of technical mastermind that lives in a basement, just think about them as another person who maybe they're really good with words or maybe they're just, you know, really quick witted, and you'll have a friend in your social circle who's a bit like that. So don't make these attacks, these scams, into this big technical, scary thing. Remember it's a really human thing and think that you can think like those attackers, which means you can defend yourself a little bit better by being aware of what you're able to do.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, perfect, Laura. As always, it's a pleasure to talk with you. Please tell our listeners how they can connect with the outside of our show.

Laura Bell Main:

Absolutely. You can always find me online the lovely cesspool that is LinkedIn or you can find me at laurabellemainecom, where you can find all sorts of bits and pieces about me and my work. But always, please reach out and connect. I love making new friends and I promise I'm not going to ask you for a thousand dollars.

Mike Gorday:

There, you go.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, thank you so much for being a part of our show. We'll get back to you, hopefully before the end of the year here, and see how your holiday season goes as long as ours does too. All right, that ends our ask. The expert with Laura Bell main. Now up we have Mike's mesmerizing moment. With Laura Bell Main. Now up we have Mike's Mesmerizing Moment. Welcome to Mike's Mesmerizing Moment. What does Mike have to say today? All right, here's my question to you, mike.

Mike Gorday:

Besides Tetris, are there any other games used to help in therapy? Well, I can't answer that definitively, but I can suggest that there are.

Marc Gregoire :

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

You know Tetris, any type of game that is not competitive by nature. Okay, you know, like a first-person shooter, that probably is not the best thing for you to go and try to relieve stress on, even though most of us probably go there first, Like WordAll would that be a good way to WordAll might be able, might be something that you would do.

Mike Gorday:

When you asked the question, the first thing that came to my mind was something like Minecraft, where you don't have to learn a lot of distinct rules. You just go out and you just do stuff, and this is sort of pulling yourself out of your current thinking patterns and sticking yourself into something where you're going to start creating or trying to problem solve different things, like in, for instance, minecraft. You would okay, what do I need to do before night falls and the mobs come out? Okay, I need to make a house, and then I need to start digging in the ground and then I need to start doing this and doing that, so you're lining up all these priorities and you don't have a lot of conflict in there. Uh, especially given to you by other players. So I would assume that many of those types of games might have a similar effect as Tetris does.

Nathan Mumm:

I still go back to thinking that Legos was like the perfect.

Mike Gorday:

Legos are awesome.

Ody:

I was going to say that yeah.

Nathan Mumm:

I mean, I don't know Legos, because it's tactical too.

Marc Gregoire :

I mean, you're building something, we're talking about video games.

Speaker 2:

I did ask video games, and I don't know Legos, because it's tactical too. I mean, you're building something, we're talking about video games.

Nathan Mumm:

I did ask video games and I don't think the Lego video games are at all useful. You just go over and you hit a button and it builds stuff for you.

Ody:

I'm going to add one more thing. What's that Animal Crossing?

Nathan Mumm:

Okay.

Mike Gorday:

Because, it's the fun aspect, you know it's just there's not a lot of rules to it. You don't have to. You don't have to have a great amount of skill, you just get on it and you just do stuff and I think those are probably like that. But now the Sims is all crazy social game and still it's reality TV. I think the Sims might be a good one too, because you know you're just paying attention, it seems to be a lot about problem solving.

Mike Gorday:

It doesn't quite, I imagine. It doesn't quite activate the same spatial reasoning that Tetris might, but there's still that aspect of problem solving and any time you engage your brain in a different area it's going to help, especially with some sort of traumatic episode.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, perfect, all right. Thank you, mike, for that mesmerizing moment. Up next we have this Week in Technology, so now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we will be doing so during the break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, mike, yeah, what's up. Hey, mike, yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what.

Mike Gorday:

We need people to start liking our social media page If you like our show, if you really like us, you can use your support on Patreoncom. Is it Patreon? I think it's Patreon. Okay, patreon, if you really like us, you can like us in. Patreoncom. I butcher the.

Nathan Mumm:

English language. You know, you butcher the English language all the time it's patreoncom Patreoncom.

Mike Gorday:

If you really like our show, you can subscribe to patreoncom and help us out and you can visit us on that Facebook platform.

Nathan Mumm:

You know that one that Zuckerberg owns, the one that we always bag on. Yeah, we're on Facebook too. Yeah, like us on Facebook. Do you know what our Facebook page is? Tech Time Radio. At Tech Time Radio. You know what? There's a trend here.

Mike Gorday:

It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech Time Radio, or you can even Instagram with us, and that's at Tech Time Radio.

Nathan Mumm:

That's at Tech Time Radio. Or you can find us on TikTok, and it's Tech Time Radio. It's at.

Mike Gorday:

Tech Time Radio. Like and subscribe to our social media Like us today, we need you to like us. Like us and subscribe.

Nathan Mumm:

That's it. That's it. It's that simple.

Speaker 1:

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, on the way back Machine, we're going to September 27th 1998, google's fake birthday. Google's birthday, for some reason, is not really known. Google has at times chosen the date of September 27th as their birthday, even though it's more officially known as September 4th or even September 7th. Google has no explanation for celebrating their birthday on different days over the years, other than to say Google opened its doors in September 1998. The exact date that we celebrate our birthday has moved around over the years, depending on when people feel they want to have cake. There you go, there you go, they choose. Now, whenever Google has their birthday, they have a little Prime logo that will go on their site and it'll say happy birthday, normally with a cake, and it'll play music. So if you see that interactive icon on your Google page page, you know that that's the day that they're selling, celebrating their birthday.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, that was this week in technology. Have you ever wanted to watch some tech time history, with over 200 weekly broadcasts spanning four plus years of video, podcasts and blog information? You can visit techtimeradiocom to watch our older shows. We're going to take a commercial break, but when, when we return, we have Mark's mumble whiskey reveal.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Marc Gregoire :

I know I've been waiting all week All right.

Nathan Mumm:

What do we got going on? What's the special?

Marc Gregoire :

day, it's October 1st Yep. All right, Odie.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, take it away.

Ody:

I have a series of hints, a series of hints for us.

Nathan Mumm:

This object? Okay, take it away. I have a series of hints, a series of hints for us. This object, yeah.

Ody:

The information is recorded digitally onto it.

Speaker 8:

Okay.

Ody:

It is read by a laser. Okay, and it's 12 centimeters in diameter.

Mike Gorday:

Laser disc.

Ody:

No.

Marc Gregoire :

A laser disc is larger than 12.

Ody:

12 centimeters 12 centimeters.

Mike Gorday:

12 centimeters.

Ody:

And there's no.

Nathan Mumm:

Lasers, that's not a vinyl record, because vinyl record has.

Ody:

There's no needle needed either.

Nathan Mumm:

Yep, because a vinyl record doesn't use a laser.

Speaker 10:

Is it a compact disc, the ultimate in recorded sound? It will make all conventional disc and cassette systems obsolete. It's dustproof, scratchproof, digitally recorded, read by a laser, and it's called the Compact Disc.

Nathan Mumm:

Ah, the Compact Disc. So today is.

Marc Gregoire :

CD Player Day.

Nathan Mumm:

CD Player Day.

Ody:

Cd Player Day, so it's not about the CD we're talking about the RCA player or whatever player you may have, but there's so many out there, there are so many.

Marc Gregoire :

Well, not anymore Now. They're all from China, they're all names I can't pronounce anymore. It's like the one we used to carry with us.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, I remember the Walkman Well the.

Marc Gregoire :

Walkman was usually a tape deck, wasn't it? No, no, no.

Nathan Mumm:

Walkman was both the tape decks first.

Mike Gorday:

Hang on, you're confusing eras here.

Nathan Mumm:

The Walkman was a.

Mike Gorday:

CD player. No the. Walkman was originally a tape deck. And it was like the size of an encyclopedia.

Ody:

So what do you call a portable CD player? Just that.

Marc Gregoire :

Yeah, portable CD player.

Nathan Mumm:

Oh, look at this Sony Walkman. The DS-J301 is the Sony Walkman CD player.

Mike Gorday:

Thank you, You're not proving me wrong. You're just showing the evolution of carryable playing devices.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the Walkman was the big CD player still too, because they still had the market when the cassette player came out. Sony then immediately moved over to the CD.

Marc Gregoire :

I knew Nathan would be excited about this. I am excited about this Over the years the music scene has changed drastically, but the introduction of the CD player remains one of music industry's landmark events. As Odie played the soundbite, on October 1st 1982, the first ever CD compact disc player was released on the market. The CD player changed the way music was consumed by people, and Gen Xers still remember it for that.

Ody:

I do too. You know what.

Mike Gorday:

I went to school and I would it could be scratched and it would mess up your.

Ody:

I know that's why I played that ad, because all bogus.

Nathan Mumm:

I would go to school and then we would all share CDs and then we would take them home and we'd all rip them and and then we'd take them home and we'd all rip them and then we'd all bring them back and sell them so that we had.

Marc Gregoire :

You might have to explain to people what ripping a CD means. What Do you know what that is? Yeah, it's when you record onto a blank CD.

Ody:

There was a special software program that you had to use and you'd do that.

Nathan Mumm:

I used to rip CDs you used to rip.

Marc Gregoire :

CDs Nice, I swear, we only had one.

Mike Gorday:

Guns N' Roses CD we probably don't need to talk about how we made a profit off of them.

Nathan Mumm:

I was in school I was making like five bucks a CD you were making money.

Mike Gorday:

The bad thing is I was probably paying $7. Are you sure the statute of limitations are out on that?

Nathan Mumm:

My parents were buying CDs for seven bucks. I was just taking them from home, not even caring that they paid more money. And then I was taking them to school and selling them for five bucks.

Mike Gorday:

Is that still? We all can gather how you would think. Chat GPT, going from public to private is probably a good thing. Huh, You're really on board with that, aren't you?

Marc Gregoire :

Now I'm not sure what portable CD player you guys, but I had a Craig CD player. That was the brand that I had. Okay, Now another Craig I have is the Elijah Craig Barrel Proof.

Nathan Mumm:

Wow Transition.

Mike Gorday:

You know they're still better than yours. Well, thank you.

Marc Gregoire :

Now, elijah Craig's mash bill is higher in corn proportion than most bourbons because it's at 78% corn. Now, by law, as we know, bourbon must be 51% corn, with the rest of the necessary starches usually coming from other grains like rye wheat and malted barley. Higher corn proportions can mean a smoother, slightly sweeter whiskey with a soft sweetness, but a broader heat Aging tends to be where higher corn whiskey grain gets their gravitas from threading char and oak latones into the body of the whiskey. Now this particular batch is good.

Marc Gregoire :

Not quite at the top of the Elijah Craig's for me, but it's definitely not the bottom or even near the bottom. My only issue for this one is it runs a little hot and spicy. So give it plenty of air, let it open up and maybe even a drop or two of water helps it. In the end this is a solid pour and I will say it is up, and maybe even a drop or two of water helps it. In the end this is a solid pour and I will say it is great for the price for a barrel-proof whiskey at $75. It's one of the hardest ones to beat.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, that's really good Okay.

Marc Gregoire :

And they're consistently good, usually batch to batch that makes sense.

Mike Gorday:

Nice. Is there a whiskey out there that's 100% corn?

Marc Gregoire :

That's corn whiskey Straight up straight up corn whiskey.

Nathan Mumm:

We should start moving into the new level of 100% corn and all these different unique things.

Mike Gorday:

Corn squeezing, that's what my family used to call it. All right, mark, thanks for the moment, no more corn.

Nathan Mumm:

As always, whiskey and technology are a great pairing, just like the holidays, and another Amazon Prime Day, prime Day, big deal days is October 8th through the 9th. I hate that. I hate that that's your favorite thing.

Marc Gregoire :

You're promoting Prime Day. What the heck?

Nathan Mumm:

Because we have like eight of them.

Marc Gregoire :

I'm just saying, if you can't figure out a day to buy Prime Day stuff.

Nathan Mumm:

this is not Prime Day, this is Big Deal Days.

Mike Gorday:

It doesn't matter, just rename them all. It's your favorite thing. I hate them.

Nathan Mumm:

Let's prepare for our technology fail of the week, brought to you by Linux Sometime. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Marc Gregoire :

Oh, I failed. Did I yes, did I yes, did I.

Nathan Mumm:

Yes, all right. Well, this week's failure comes to us from the company Avis Yep, the car company, as they blame a computer glitch for an accounting error. Now Avis claims that they had a customer circle the globe in three days, charged her $8,079.76. Avis claims the customer drove 29,000 miles in three days, charging her that $8,000 plus price tag. If she had driven the car nonstopstop for 72 hours she would have had to maintain an average speed of 402 miles per hour. The receipt avis gave uh, giovanni giovanni boniface, a reading of odometer out, 7000 or 77 224, and odometer in of forty eight thousand one hundred and seventy. Boniface said that she had only driven one hundred and eighty five miles. She discovered the overcharge while checking her credit card statement before boarding a flight to Europe.

Nathan Mumm:

Boniface and her husband tried calling the Avis Pearson Airport location nonstop for about 90 minutes. No one picked up and she didn't have the option to leave a voicemail. When she finally got through to a customer service agent she explained the situation and she says they didn't really care. They asked to put through to the supervisor because sometimes you need to do that before you can get anything resolved and essentially they hung up on me. I don't know if they had to do with the purpose I was calling, but I just kept getting hang up. When I called For days after, there was nothing from Avis, not a peep.

Nathan Mumm:

She said Boniface asked Visa to cancel the charge, but their process for the dispute could take up to 45 days. On Friday morning she confirmed the charges had gone through. Avis really wanted that money after all, she said. Avis only responded after the story gained media attention. Suddenly they were so sorry, sorry, sorry, and promised to issue a refund in five days. However, they did not explain how they made the error, blaming it only on a computer glitch. Okay, I hate Avis. We had to use him as a rental company car and I think I got scammed when I did my transfer with them. I hate budget. None of these rental car companies care about what you do. They charged us when we were down in Florida for a bunch of roads that they said that we traveled on, that we had to pay fares to go across toll bridges that we didn't go across. We called them up and it was nothing but a headache. These car rental companies should not have.

Mike Gorday:

Long gone are the days where you can actually call a human being and get customer service.

Nathan Mumm:

Yeah, I feel bad for her. I'm sure it wasn't a computer glitch. You should know when you're bringing back your odometer reading. There's no way in the world that you could go that far.

Mike Gorday:

Well, I can imagine it was a human writing down the odometer reading and then a computer tabulating the miles and nobody's going. Hey, that seems unusual. That's a little high.

Nathan Mumm:

They probably didn't care.

Mike Gorday:

All right.

Nathan Mumm:

And you know what. Now to rant on more. Let's move on to the Nathan Nugget. This is your Nugget of the Week. I don't know if this is necessarily a rant, but this is just a thing that I did not know that happened until I received an email from my local library. Do you know that you can check out a laptop, a Chromebook or a Wi-Fi hotspot to take home, all for free within the Pacific Northwest Seattle region? Free, which is your library card.

Mike Gorday:

Now do you know what it takes to get a library card? Yes, I knew that. Free, which is your library card. Now do you know what it takes to get a library card? Yes, I knew that. You seem to be the only person that didn't know that these things existed.

Ody:

Okay, wait, no, I didn't know, but I wasn't floored about it like Nathan is.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, so this is cool. So all you need to get a library card is any form of ID. It doesn't have to be a driver's license, no, it can be a Costco, as long as it has a picture your name on there. That is all you need to get a library card. So with a picture of some Costco card, I can go on in and I can check out.

Nathan Mumm:

Now listen to this. I can check out a laptop. These are i7 laptops, great brand. I mean. These are like $1,500 laptops I can check out and I can check out Wi-Fi hotspots that are 5G, that I can take home for free. I'm not paying a monthly fee and if I decide to go back to our local library which, when this article came out, I was all over this they had over 10 units you could check out and on these units that you can check out, if you bring it back in and you check it back in, you can only check it out for a month. You have to bring back the hotspot, but if you check it back in, you can only check it out for a month. You have to bring back the hotspot, but if you bring it back in with your card, then they will immediately allow you to check it back out again and go on out, so you can have free internet for up to as long as you want to have.

Mike Gorday:

I still haven't figured out why you're so surprised.

Nathan Mumm:

Well, if anybody's complaining that they can't get an internet or they can't get a computer to do any type of job work or searches for applications or anything to do it, all you got to do is go down to your library check it out. There's no restrictions on your internet, except for child porn. Otherwise, everything else is open on the information that's available there that you can get. So you can do political stuff, non-political stuff. They have a freedom act that you're a part of, and check out this.

Mike Gorday:

Okay, yeah, that's kind of what the library is. You could go down there and use a computer any way you want.

Nathan Mumm:

I know you could use one on site, but I didn't know you could take one home.

Mike Gorday:

Well, now you do.

Nathan Mumm:

But if my kid's in school I can check out a Chromebook.

Mike Gorday:

Now you do I know.

Nathan Mumm:

I mean, why am I paying for internet? I can go down and get five of these. I can daisy chain these bad boys together and I could have. I'm pretty sure that the amount of yeah, yeah, I could QOS it. I guarantee I could bring five in there. Maybe you can't check out five, but I could get five other fake Costco cards and decide.

Mike Gorday:

Of course and this comes from the guy who's always talking about how kids are not sneaking around Instagrams- Well.

Nathan Mumm:

I'm just saying, I mean, if my kid wanted to, I mean he could just go grab a laptop and a.

Mike Gorday:

Wi-Fi. These are called resources. Libraries are full of resources.

Nathan Mumm:

I like it. It just floored me.

Ody:

Why does this Okay?

Nathan Mumm:

Why did it floor me? Yeah, because people always complain that they can't get stuff. Well clearly, you can get something. Because people always complain that they can't get stuff, well clearly you can get something.

Mike Gorday:

You can get a laptop and internet. It's all available, but you have to.

Marc Gregoire :

It shows you the relationship between Nathan and books. Oh, maybe that's it. I only thought you could do books.

Nathan Mumm:

I didn't know that you could check out VHSs from there back in the day.

Ody:

All right, let's move on.

Mike Gorday:

You didn't know that either. What, oh my goodness, you can do movies in there too. You can check out Playboy. It's like blockbuster, blockbuster for free.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, let's go to our pick of the day Whiskey Tasting.

Ody:

Yeah, what are we drinking today, Mark?

Marc Gregoire :

Do streaming movies from the library too. Wow you don't even have to go there to check one out.

Nathan Mumm:

So you can probably get. You can stream it on your free box that you have on your computer, that you have.

Marc Gregoire :

Yep, all right. Today we are drinking Elijah Craig Barrel Proof B524 from Heaven Hill Straight, bourbon, 11 years, 2 months, $130.6 proof, but $75.

Nathan Mumm:

All right, I'm going to give it a thumbs up. What are you going to?

Mike Gorday:

give it. I'm going to give it a thumbs up too. I think the, I think the it's Bye-bye, bye.

Nathan Mumm:

Okay, All right. Well, looks like we're heading out for the day.

Speaker 1:

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Nathan Mumm

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