195: Elon Musk's Clashes with OpenAI and former Employees, Guest Laura Bell Main Joins the Show to Explain Cybersecurity Simplified. A Global Impact of a Social Media Blackout, and GTA Vice City Runs on a Wi-Fi router, M&M Episode | Air Date: 3/3 - 3/9/24

Unlock the drama behind Elon Musk's legal battles and tech controversies as we examine his confrontation with OpenAI and CEO Sam Altman over changing company ambitions. Then, we switch to the tension with former Twitter execs entwined in a lawsuit saga. But it's not all courtroom drama—we're shaking things up with an offbeat tech achievement where GTA Vice City runs on a mere Wi-Fi router. Plus, ponder the global stir caused by a social media blackout that left everyone, including the Kardashians, in the dark.

Dive deep into the world of cybersecurity with our special guest, the insightful Laura Bell Main, author of "Security for Everyone." Laura simplifies the complexities of cybersecurity into actionable steps that resonate with individuals and small businesses. She highlights the vitality of personal security and two-step verification, making digital safety a breeze for all. And it's not just about protection; Laura illustrates how tech, especially virtual reality, can significantly enrich the experiences of our elderly loved ones.

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This week on TechTime with Nathan Mumm®, where we unravel the latest tech mysteries, dissect the juiciest controversies and serve up a side of digital intrigue.

In a legal battle that could rival the most intense AI chess match, Elon Musk is suing OpenAI and its CEO, Sam Altman, alleging a betrayal of the nonprofit’s founding mission. Musk claims they’ve veered off course, prioritizing profits over humanity. Will this clash of titans redefine the future of artificial intelligence? Stay tuned.

Remember the days when Twitter was just 140 characters and X marked the spot for innovation? Well, former Twitter/X executives are back with a vengeance, suing none other than Elon Musk himself. They’re demanding a whopping $128 million in unpaid severance. Is this a case of digital justice or just another tweetstorm?

Move over, lawnmower mods! The latest gaming sensation is GTA: Vice City running on a humble TP-Link Wi-Fi router. Yes, you heard that right. Forget about loading screens; now it’s all about buffering bars. We’ll dive into the tech wizardry behind this mind-bending feat.

Grab your emergency emojis, because the social media universe just went dark. Facebook and Instagram suffered a global outage, leaving influencers without filters and grandmas without cat videos. Was it a server hiccup or a cosmic alignment?

Stay tuned for all this and more, only on TechTime Radio with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Humm" Technology news of the week for  March 3rd -  25th  – March 9th , 2024

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Broadcasting Across the Nation, from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading-edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, hmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum.

Mike Gorday: 0:31

Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum, who I'm not the show that makes you go, hmmm. Technology news of the week. The show is for the everyday person, talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Mike Gordy I usually sit on the other side I'm in the Nathan seat today in the studio who is out at a national security convention and forgot to give us stuff, so we're in a void of gray. I'm an award-winning author and human behavior expert, not really a technologist, but our co-host, mark Guar, who is sitting to my left, is a 30-year technology veteran, as well as our whiskey connoisseur, who is filling in today for me. Say hi, mark.

Mike Gorday: 1:29

Hi I'm trying to be you there.

Marc Gregoire: 1:33

I'm excited to be at the Big Person table today. Okay.

Mike Gorday: 1:37

All right, it's really not that big of a deal. We livestream our show on five of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitch, tv X, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom. Become a patron supporter at patreoncom forward slash techtime radio. We're a few friends from different backgrounds but we try to bring the best technology show possible weekly for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. Glad to have Odie sitting at the producer control panel today. Welcome everybody. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1: 2:16

Now on Today's Show.

Mike Gorday: 2:21

Today on Tech Time Without Nathan Mum, we are unraveling the latest tech mysteries, dissecting the juiciest controversies and serving up a side of digital intrigue. How do you like that? Wow, we sound like. We sound like somebody wrote something for us. I'm your host, mike Gorda, and today's headlines are hotter than a GPU mining rig in July. That's definitely a Nathan. In a legal battle that could rival the most intense AI chess match, elon Musk is suing open AI and its CEO, sam Altman, alleging a betrayal of the nonprofit's founding mission. Musk claims they have veered off course, prioritizing profits over humanity. This will clash of tights, redefine the future of artificial intelligence. Well, stay tuned. Remember the days when Twitter was just 140 characters and X marks the spot for innovation? Well, former Twitter ex-executives are back with a vengeance, suing none other than Elon himself.

Marc Gregoire: 3:20

I have that story and I'm excited on that one.

Mike Gorday: 3:22

Yeah, you really like going after that one, don't you?

Mike Gorday: 3:25

Oh yeah, move over lawnmower mods, which we talked about last week. The latest gaming sensation is GTA Vice City running on a humble TP-Link Wi-Fi router. Yes, you heard that right. Forget about loading screens, now it's all back to buffering bars. We'll dive into the tech wizardry behind this mind-bending feat. Grab your emergency emojis, because social media universe went dark. Facebook and Instagram suffered a global outage, leaving influencers without filters and grandmas without cat videos. Was it a server hook hiccup or cosmic alignment? We'll explore the conspiracy theories and bring you the latest status update. In addition, we have our standard features today, including my mesmerizing moment. Technology failed the week and, of course, our pick of the day whiskey tasting. The CFR selected whiskey gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. Now it's time for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1: 4:24

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Mike Gorday: 4:29

Well, in something that looks like a domino soap opera, Elon Musk is now suing OpenAI and Sam Altman over the betrayal of nonprofit Elon Musk, its co-founder, Sam Altman and Greg Brotman and its affiliated entities, alleging that chat GPT makers have breached their original contractual agreements by pursuing profits instead of the nonprofit's founding mission to develop AI that benefits humanity.

Mike Gorday: 5:01

Musk, a co-founder and early backer of OpenAI, claims Altman and Brockman, convinced him to help found and bankroll the startup in 2015, with promises it would be a nonprofit focused on countering the competitive threat from Google. The founding agreement required OpenAI to make us technology freely available to the public. The lawsuit, which was filed in a court in San Francisco late on Thursday, says that OpenAI, the world's most valuable AI startup, has shifted to a for-profit model focused on commercializing its AGI research after partnering with Microsoft, the world's most valuable company, which has invested about $13 billion into the startup. In reality, however, OpenAI Inc has been transformed into a closed-source, de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world. Microsoft, under its new board, is not just developing, but is actually refining an AGI to maximize profits for Microsoft rather than for the benefit of humanity which is part of the lawsuit.

Marc Gregoire: 6:10

Now this is just what Elon Musk has claimed. This isn't FAC right.

Mike Gorday: 6:15

No, these are quotes from the lawsuit, from the lawsuit.

Marc Gregoire: 6:18

So this is just his delusional made-up quote.

Mike Gorday: 6:23

Sure, I think it's interesting that Musk is banging on the door of human rights.

Marc Gregoire: 6:32

Well, even trying to talk about what billionaire isn't in it for profits that you know of. I don't know any.

Mike Gorday: 6:40

Okay.

Marc Gregoire: 6:41

I think most of them are in it for that.

Mike Gorday: 6:43

I'm pretty sure that, yeah, they're probably in it for the money and it's even funny.

Marc Gregoire: 6:48

You just covered a story I don't know how many months ago. That was where Sam Altman resigned, because they wanted to move it for profit and to do this stuff and he refused.

Mike Gorday: 6:58

That, yes, that is true. And then they called him back.

Marc Gregoire: 7:01

They called him back and he fired all those on the board that wanted him.

Mike Gorday: 7:05

And then he let Microsoft buy them.

Marc Gregoire: 7:07

Well, they didn't fully out-write. Buy them, they're funding them.

Mike Gorday: 7:11

Well, the lawsuit follows Musk airing concerns about OpenAI shift and priorities in the last year. According to the legal complaint, musk donated over 44 million to the nonprofit between 2016 and September of 2020. For the first several years, he was the largest contributor to OpenAI. Musk, who left OpenAI's board in 2018, has been offered a stake in a for-profit arm of the startup, but has refused to accept it over a principal stand. Altman has also addressed some of Musk's concerns in the past, including the close ties with Microsoft, saying I like to do it. I think he's totally wrong about this stuff. He can sort of say whatever he wants, but I'm, like, proud of what we're doing and I think we're going to make a positive contribution to the world and I try to stay above all that. So that's where we are Sounds more like Elon might be a little jealous of somebody putting some money in the pie that he tried to bake.

Marc Gregoire: 8:08

Correct that he was trying to do it. And he's also. He also announced previously and you guys covered that on a past show that he wants to bring some AI models to Twitter or to X now, and he wants to do that whole encompassing of everything, and so he needs to slam the competitor now in order to then have a justification to promote his own for-profit business.

Mike Gorday: 8:32

That could be. That sounds like a pretext.

Marc Gregoire: 8:34

Especially when X is losing so much money.

Mike Gorday: 8:37

Well, that leads us right into story number two.

Marc Gregoire: 8:40

Oh, let's go there. That's so much.

Mike Gorday: 8:41

That's what you wanted to talk about I did.

Marc Gregoire: 8:43

I've been waiting for this Story. Number two man what goes around comes around as a former Twitter or ex-executive, Sue Elon Musk for 128 million and unpaid severance. So I don't know if you remember when he took over Twitter. It was Twitter at the time, before he did the name change and it's funny how every news outlet and that says Twitter slash X because the name is so poorly done that we still have to remind everybody that it's really Twitter we're talking about.

Mike Gorday: 9:14

Well, I think it. I think it's you know, easier, when we go X, to think of other things like X wives and ex-girlfriends and ex-employers, so I don't know yeah.

Marc Gregoire: 9:27

So they're suing him for unpaid severance. What happened was, if you remember, when he took over, he fired a bunch of these executives.

Mike Gorday: 9:35

Yeah.

Marc Gregoire: 9:36

And the reason in the lawsuit that they claim that says he is withholding their severance entitlement and because they were fired the executives when he took over. That was in October 2022 because it was retaliatory.

Marc Gregoire: 9:50

He did not want to pay severance, so he made up claims of why he was firing them, so he didn't have to pay the severance and this is my favorite part, there's actually must has an authorized authorized, we stress biography, in which the biographer quoted Elon Musk himself is saying he would quote hunt every single one of the former Twitter X executives till the day they die.

Mike Gorday: 10:19

So what does that mean? He's going to hunt them down.

Marc Gregoire: 10:21

Well, it just means he's got a vendetta against him. He never wants to pay them and he never, ever wants to.

Mike Gorday: 10:27

Well, that's a funny choice. I'm going to hunt everybody down until they're dead.

Marc Gregoire: 10:32

Well, till the day they die. Yeah, well, are we saying. He thought that out. I don't think that was very well thought out, yep, so he just he, since he didn't want to pay the severance, he just fired them without reason and he made up fake causes and appointed employees of various companies to uphold his decision. So he is part of his hiring process, would say do you agree with what I'm going to be doing here?

Mike Gorday: 10:57

Mm, hmm.

Marc Gregoire: 10:58

And they said yes, so he hired those. Unfortunately for the plaintiffs, twitter X is unlikely to part with the money, of course, without a fight, because they have been reported, their value has dropped over 70% since Musk's acquisition, so, as he's attempting to build this new revenue stream, I don't think he's going to be looking to pay much out while he's suing Open AI to get 44 million back or whatever he's trying to ask for.

Mike Gorday: 11:30

you know, open AI is suing the New York Times Right. Hmm, now we have the Twitter X employees, x employees, xx employees Suing Elon, and nobody can learn about it on Facebook or and probably the only ones that are gonna make any money in the end. Everybody makes money right, just the lawyers usually just the lawyers, just the lawyers.

Mike Gorday: 12:02

Okay. Well, story number three is gonna take a different track. Forget doom on alarm more, which we talked about last week, or a toothbrush, which we talked about the week before. Check out Grand Theft Auto Vice City running on a TP link Wi-Fi router. Now playing PCs on your Wi-Fi router and we don't mean online gaming via your your router but actually using the router as a PC. It's not something you likely thought possible, but it very much is, as a freshly aired project demonstrates, as highlighted by Tom's hardware. A pair of enterprising hardware tinkers based in Germany, known collectively as kitten labs, manna worm and t-sis, known collectively as kitten worms or kitten labs, ran GTA Vice City on a TP link TL WDR for 900 router. How on earth does that work?

Speaker 5: 13:01

Well.

Mike Gorday: 13:02

Routers like tell me how that works. Yeah, well, you know, technically I don't know.

Mike Gorday: 13:07

Okay so I have to read it from this. This piece of paper hang on. Well, routers have processors and have have done that for a long time, and indeed this TP link model is over a decade old in fact and With some enterprising hacking of the router, as possible to do some limited PC gaming using this router's power PC base CPU, with the tricky bit being supplying the GPU. Of course, you aren't about to fit a graphics card inside a router, but you can hook up an external GPU, which is exactly what was done with this project. And finally, after some tricky work, this on the software front GTA was playing on the router. Nothing like running down people on the street and selling drugs for criminal gangs on your router. Thanks, nathan, appreciate that quote.

Marc Gregoire: 14:00

So what's when you read this? What's the purpose of this? I mean, it's a lot of Hoops that have. You have to go through to get this to run on the Wi-Fi router.

Mike Gorday: 14:10

I don't. I I think this is just a an interesting little side story that says hey, you know that old stuff that you got in your closet. You may be able to repurpose it for some stuff. I don't know. Maybe I'll pull out my Commodore 128 at some point and somebody can run GTA off of that.

Marc Gregoire: 14:27

Probably could.

Mike Gorday: 14:28

I don't know. Well, that is our top tech technology stories of the week. When we return, laura Bell main joins us again on the show. She is a global leader in developing secure software. With over 20 years of experience in software development cyber security, she is the author of security for everyone. Her work has been featured in many international publications, including wired in MIT tech Tech review. You will not want to miss this interview. You're listening to tech time without Nathan mum. We will be back after this commercial break.

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Mike Gorday: 16:07

Welcome back to tech time without Nathan mum. Our weekly show covers the weekly top Technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts and we do it with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with our whiskey on the side. Mark, what are we tasting today?

Marc Gregoire: 16:27

Today we're tasting a bottle from your inventory.

Mike Gorday: 16:31

Yes, this was the first gift I received after my apartment building burned down.

Marc Gregoire: 16:35

Yeah, so somebody gave you Kirkland signature blended scotch whiskey. Yes now from Costco's website. As we all know, the Kirkland brand is sold through Costco. There is nothing on it. Oh, nothing at all. Nothing at all, nothing at all. Now Cara Newman. She reviews spirits for various publications. She said look for mild, pete, smoke, cedar and resin notes that lead into a spicy finish with a flourish of alcohol, heat. A splash of water coaxes out more vanilla and honey.

Mike Gorday: 17:08

Oh, we should have some vanilla, but this does qualify as a Scotch right.

Marc Gregoire: 17:13

It does Okay. So, as we mentioned, this is from Costco. The company actually is Alexander Murray and company Distillation is unknown distillery or distilleries in Scotland. Since it's blended, we don't know if it's from multiple distillers. It's blended Scotch. It's not age-stated but it's suspected to be around three years old. It's 80 proof. The mash bill is unknown since it is a blend. We're not sure if it's 100% barley or not and the price for a 1.75 liter. You got a big boy here. Yeah, for 20 bucks Under 20 bucks, $19 and about 49 cents.

Mike Gorday: 17:49

All right, and you don't drink Scotch.

Marc Gregoire: 17:51

I do not.

Mike Gorday: 17:52

So you pretty much don't like it.

Marc Gregoire: 17:55

No, I'll talk about that in the mumble specifically. Okay, well, it's, it's. I'm not going to say it's bad whiskey yet, because it's Scotch and I don't have a flavor profile for.

Mike Gorday: 18:05

Scotch Okay Well, it's tasty, but it's a little thin so far, all right. Well, with our first whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segment. Today we have our technology insider, laura Belmaine, joining us. She is a global leader in developing secure software. She is an experienced keynote and conference speaker, presenting at Black Hat USA, renderhtl and leading international software development and cybersecurity conferences. Let's welcome Laura Belmaine to the Comcast video stream to start our next segment.

Speaker 1: 18:41

This is a segment we call Ask the Experts.

Mike Gorday: 18:48

Well, hello, laura, hello.

Laura Bell Main: 18:51

How are you Good? How are you Welcome to the show? I'm good. It's lovely to be back. Thanks for having me. All right, I'm going to talk about things in common it says that you're an introvert that has spent 15 years pretending to be an extrovert. Yeah, we're not supposed to tell anyone, but absolutely yeah, even just talking to you now, I'm going to need to go lie down in a quiet room for a while.

Mike Gorday: 19:11

Yeah, I know, I had to take a nap before I got here.

Marc Gregoire: 19:14

I always have to do that after talking to Mike too, but that's all right.

Mike Gorday: 19:16

Oh, thanks, that's more of a thing you should direct towards Nathan, but you know You're in the seat today. Oh well, yeah, that's okay. It says here you love stories, games and nerd and of course, you're joining us from New Zealand, right?

Laura Bell Main: 19:31

Yeah, absolutely Nerd through and through. I'm afraid no shame in that, and I've been gaming and in the tech space for a very long time.

Mike Gorday: 19:40

All right, well, great, welcome back to the show. We enjoyed your last interview so much. We needed to have you back to talk about your book Security for Everyone. The book focuses on practical, flexible, step-by-step, affordable approaches that can scale to suit your situation, needs and language. Non-technical folks like me can understand what made you decide to write this book.

Laura Bell Main: 20:05

So this was a bit of a passion project for myself and my business partner, erica. We have both been helping organizations, big and small, all around the world for probably decades now to secure what matters to them and for most part, the only way people get that help is they fork out a lot of money, spend a lot of dollars and get some consultancy, get some kind of expensive advice. So we wanted to break that cycle and we wrote the manual, if you will, so it can take you from being an individual just looking after yourself and your own accounts and your own technology all the way through being various sizes and stages of business. It's not for these enterprise folk. They've got their own teams, they've got their own solutions, but it's supposed to be, and is, the how-to guide for everyone else and lots of practical things you can do. You don't need to spend any money on fancy tools. You don't need to hire a specific person with a skill set. You can walk through it from the beginning to the end and upgrade your security as you go.

Mike Gorday: 21:06

Okay, well, that's good to hear because as somebody now, I understand this from a technology point of view that you sort of just take that as part of the deal that you're going to have to deal with things like two-step verification and this and that, but somebody like me I get so frustrated trying to remember what password goes where, how many times I have to look at my phone, how many times I'm going to have to access my phone to access the computer that is attached to my phone in order to open the website that needs that two-step verification, Right? So this is going to make everything easier for me, right?

Laura Bell Main: 21:43

Well, I can't take away all of the challenges with some of the crummy systems that we've built like not my fault. But what it can do is at least explain what some of those things are doing and why they matter and help you choose when you need to do it and when actually there are other things you can do instead. So it can't save all of your problems, but at least I can give you the reason why and make it a bit easier to prioritize what you're doing.

Mike Gorday: 22:09

Okay. Would this be the key takeaway from your book for all of us, non-Techies or parcel-Techies?

Laura Bell Main: 22:18

I think the key takeaway is that you're never too small to get started with security, and security doesn't need to be a big, terrifying thing. It's not about building barricades and walls and locking everything down. It's about doing little, tiny changes to what you already do every day. And the more you do those tiny things, the more you forget that you're even doing them. They just become part of you, part of how you do things on the Internet or on your devices. So hopefully it can take all of the scary stuff away, turn it into really practical things that you can do, whatever size of budget or size of organization you're dealing with.

Marc Gregoire: 22:52

Now, laura you had talked about it's not built really for enterprise businesses because they have their own group of ITs and all that. So it's definitely for small businesses. Is it also for individuals, or is it focused just for small business?

Laura Bell Main: 23:03

Yeah, the entire first section is for individuals. So we take you from protecting yourself, then protecting yourself and your family and friends, which I know a lot of us who have tech inclination. That's what we do we help out our friends and family and then it goes into business. So, wherever you are, you can start at the very beginning and build up from there.

Marc Gregoire: 23:22

Excellent.

Mike Gorday: 23:23

All right. Well, laura, since technology is always on the move, we have people all the time on the show telling us what is bad about technology, which I'm one of them, but what is something that you enjoy about technology?

Laura Bell Main: 23:40

I'm going to share a story from my world. So I look after an 82-year-old. She lives with us. She's losing her eyesight, she's got a lot of medical things, like most of the elderly in our lives and what I love about technology. She can't travel anymore. It's just not a thing for her. So things like virtual reality experiences are being rolled out in care homes around the world in limited trials that allow our elderly who can't get out and see the world and continue to make new memories, to experience things like international travel or concerts or events, and I think that's pretty cool. I turned 40 last week, so I'm feeling that midlife kind of thing happening. But I like the idea that even when I'm older and when I'm not able to physically go out and explore the world as much, that technology is making sure the world is small enough that we can all enjoy it.

Mike Gorday: 24:33

Yeah, I can agree with that. I took a virtual tour of Queen Nefertari's tomb the other day and it was incredible. So technology can service in many different ways that are awesome. Most of my problems come from how human beings interact with technology, but there are a lot of good things about it too.

Laura Bell Main: 24:59

We can't solve that, but we're jerks. We love each other daily, but we're all rubbish. So oh well, we'll distract ourselves and look at the Egyptian pyramids instead. That sounds more fun.

Mike Gorday: 25:09

Okay. Yeah, we might want to talk about how we're all rubbish.

Marc Gregoire: 25:12

I like that idea, Okay well, did you have any other questions? Well, this is your second book, correct?

Laura Bell Main: 25:20

It is, yes, the one I vowed I would never write, because when you write your first book, you always promise you'd never, ever do something so silly again.

Marc Gregoire: 25:27

So that was my question why did you do it? I know you kind of talked about you want to protect, but do you?

Mike Gorday: 25:31

already have the. You can't stop. After you write the first one, you can't stop. Well, do you have a third one?

Marc Gregoire: 25:37

in mind now.

Laura Bell Main: 25:38

I do. I'm having some early conversations at the moment. It's a funny thing, books, underneath it all are there's ego, you know, you can't deny it, even if you say you don't have an ego. There's something quite nice about putting your view of the world out there. But the other side for me is I get really frustrated when information is really hard to find or things are expensive or things are just unnecessarily complicated. Everything I end up writing tends to be because I've had a frustrated conversation, sometimes in a tequila bar. But that's another story where I've said, hey, this is silly, we can do better than this. And then somebody the next day said, hey, thanks for volunteering. So I think the short version is don't go to tequila bars, be careful, who you say, how hard can it be in front of, and never say you're never going to do it again, because that's the biggest lie you'll tell yourself.

Mike Gorday: 26:32

Yeah, yeah, I don't know about those first two, but the third one really resonates.

Marc Gregoire: 26:37

Well, I'm going to have to thank tequila, because your books are wonderful and they're really easy to understand for those that are non-technical, and even those people like Nathan and myself that are technical. There's so many helpful tips in there that we help with our own clients.

Mike Gorday: 26:51

Aw, thank you All right. Well, Laura, thank you very much for coming on the show today. It was a pleasure to talk to you. Please tell our listeners how they can connect with you outside of our show.

Laura Bell Main: 27:02

Of course, so don't be strangers. The world is small and I might be in New Zealand, but that doesn't mean that we can't be new internet friends. So you can find me on LinkedIn, Laura Bell, Laura Bell Main. I got married. It's complicated or you can find my website, wwwlaurabellmaincom, and that will find links to all the things I do newsletters, blogs, books, all those kind of things. So reach out, say hi. I'd love to get to know you and what you're up to in the world.

Mike Gorday: 27:30

Perfect, perfect. Thank you very much.

Marc Gregoire: 27:31

Thank you, we look forward to having you on again.

Laura Bell Main: 27:34

Yep, thank you, take care everyone.

Mike Gorday: 27:35

Bye-bye, all right. Well, that ends our technology insider with Laura Bell Main. Next we have this Week in Technology. Now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, which I will be doing and Mark will not. You're listening to Tech Time Radio without Nathan Mum, see you in a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: 28:25

And now let's look back at this Week in Technology.

Mike Gorday: 28:32

All right, well, welcome back to Tech Time without Nathan Mum. We're now going to start our next segment by looking back in history at what happened this week in technology. I think we're gonna start this week in technology.

Marc Gregoire: 28:54

The music played. Mike, oh, did it? Was that what that was?

Odi: 28:57

yeah it plays automatically well you want me to play it again?

Marc Gregoire: 29:00

I can so what is this weekend?

Mike Gorday: 29:01

I don't know I'm dying. Oh heck, I wasn't listening to the music.

Odi: 29:06

I thought it was just intro music here, here, let's, let's, yeah, let's play it again, do it again, yes make, make me feel like I know what I'm doing up here.

Speaker 1: 29:15

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Mike Gorday: 29:22

Probably be really good for me to listen to the the section that's okay.

Marc Gregoire: 29:28

You're working on the Scotch so.

Mike Gorday: 29:30

I'm gonna say I had a lot of scotch, all right. Well, back back at March 4th 2000, japan goes crazy for the PlayStation 2. Sony released a PlayStation 2, the follow-up to their wildly successful original PlayStation, in Japan To a waiting crowd of 10,000 people, many of whom had started waiting four days earlier. Sony promptly sold Out of all 1 million PlayStation 2 launch units in a single weekend, interestingly because there were only 11 launch title games available. The fact that the PS2 could play DVDs at a Significantly lower priced and most standalone DVD players at the time drove much of the early demand. And that's it. That was this week in technology. Have you ever wanted to know, have you ever wanted to watch some tech time history with over 180 weekly broadcast spanning four plus years of video, podcast and blog information? You can visit tech time radio calm to watch our older shows. We're gonna take a commercial break, but when we return we have Mark's mumble whiskey review. We'll see you after the break.

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Speaker 1: 31:23

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's whiskey mumble.

Mike Gorday: 31:33

From music, odie. All right, we're back on track now that I have some intro music. Thanks, odie. All right, march 5th Well, wait, I have to. I have to be this whole. Hey, mark, thanks for the mumble.

Speaker 8: 31:47

Go ahead, what's all?

Odi: 31:49

right.

Marc Gregoire: 31:51

Well, let's start before the moment.

Odi: 31:52

Let's talk about March 5th Don't you want to know what the day of the month.

Mike Gorday: 31:55

I don't even know. I don't even know what year it is sometimes. Come on, now we're gonna need you to actively participate in today. Why? Because this is my liquor. No, no.

Marc Gregoire: 32:05

Today is dun dun dun, national potty dance day, just party time. Are you?

Laura Bell Main: 32:11

serious.

Mike Gorday: 32:19

This is some Sesame Street stuff.

Marc Gregoire: 32:25

Elmo and his, was it his dad or his dad doctor, doctor Elmo and his dad.

Odi: 32:30

Yeah, elmo has a dad.

Mike Gorday: 32:32

Yeah see, I don't, I don't know these things.

Odi: 32:34

Well, now you're getting part of the lore.

Mike Gorday: 32:36

I'm getting some lore, yeah, okay, so the potty dance or the party dance, no potty.

Marc Gregoire: 32:41

So it's all about the movements made when people need to use the bathroom. This dance is done, voluntary or involuntary. When a person's bladder is full, they move from side to side and attempt to avoid using the bathroom Is a funny dance and it can be performed by anyone at any time. You don't have to do the bathroom.

Mike Gorday: 32:58

The potty should be the peepee dance.

Odi: 33:01

But it's not, that's what we called it.

Marc Gregoire: 33:03

That was the peepee dance well potty either either one, either one will work, mike. The dance is so popular as od mention that songs and videos have been created all over the internet for it.

Mike Gorday: 33:16

So, what we want to see. I don't know, I like the squatty potty thing better.

Marc Gregoire: 33:20

We want to see Mike get up and dance the potty dance. Yeah, Mike is not going to get up.

Mike Gorday: 33:24

All it's simple, remember. I said back to back. Mark, that's.

Odi: 33:32

I'm getting a little turned on mark, all right.

Mike Gorday: 33:36

Well, we should move on to whiskey. Yeah, let's move on to whiskey. So, all right, I'm gonna take a drink.

Marc Gregoire: 33:41

All right for those in the radio. I did the potty dance since mike wouldn't do it.

Mike Gorday: 33:46

Yes, mike doesn't dance.

Marc Gregoire: 33:48

Well.

Speaker 5: 33:48

I guess I'm dance the potty dance.

Mike Gorday: 33:51

Okay, he does other dances.

Marc Gregoire: 33:52

So going from the potty dance, talking about something else, for me personally that's potty would be scotch, the Kirkland signature scotch whiskies. They are sourced by the independent bottler, alex Murray. With a name like alex Murray, you would imagine like a historic Scottish bottler up in the highlands of scotland, wouldn't you, mike? Why not? I'll go with that very Scottish name. But no, alexander Murray is basin Calabasas, california, okay, and we're all familiar with that city.

Mike Gorday: 34:22

Aren't we? Uh no, I'm not. I'm not familiar with Calabasas.

Marc Gregoire: 34:26

Odie, Odie Cal. What's why? Is Calabasas famous right now? The Kardashian, there you go, oh my god, I was guessing, you knew it.

Odi: 34:32

Okay, look at me All right. Okay, I part of pop culture.

Mike Gorday: 34:36

I I completely condescend to that. I'm sorry, I can't stand those folks that. That to me is a well, never mind, all right well program. Mike, yeah, I'm not gonna get with the program. I don't need to know I don't need to know any more about the Kardashians than that they exist and that they're. And now I? Now I know where they live and okay, whatever. Well, they're having trouble today because, if they're Instagram, goddesses and gods, they're in trouble because They've been out of service for like six hours.

Marc Gregoire: 35:15

Was that? Was that earlier?

Mike Gorday: 35:16

today, yeah, yeah, facebook. When Facebook went down, so did Instagram, didn't it yeah?

Odi: 35:21

I mean, I'm on Instagram right now.

Mike Gorday: 35:24

Well, I'm sure the service has been restored, but I'm sure everybody was freaking out earlier.

Odi: 35:29

Anyway, anyway.

Marc Gregoire: 35:31

So so that company was founded Calabasas in 2004 by a Scottish expatriate, steve lip. So it wasn't even founded by Alexander Murray, that's just a made-up name. The company sources and bottles scotch whiskey for different retailers, including trader joes and total wines.

Mike Gorday: 35:50

Okay, all right, so we know.

Marc Gregoire: 35:53

So if you need to find it, you know where to find this. Is that? Is that all? No, this is not. Uh, now this, let's review it now. This is not a hit with online reviewers. Some comments that were made were saying it was very harsh, very astringent and tasted like medicine. The winner for the most entertaining comment was that it tastes like hairspray. Have you ever had that odie?

Odi: 36:16

Hairspray in my mouth?

Mike Gorday: 36:17

Oh yeah, If you grew up in the 80s, you know what hairspray tastes like.

Odi: 36:20

Okay, I you don't need to grow up in the 80s to do that old-timer. Okay, well, that now, when you do your hair, maybe I don't have.

Mike Gorday: 36:28

I don't have to worry about it, right, yeah, so.

Marc Gregoire: 36:31

I, you know I can't judge scotch all my flowing locks, Because I don't. I don't drink scotch. I don't drink anything that has high barley content, as everybody on the show that listens on a regular basis knows that Something with the high barley content leaves a strange flavor in my mouth. So I will leave it in your hands, mike, to hear what you have to say.

Mike Gorday: 36:50

Okay, well, you know, like I said, this was. This was one of the first gifts I got after after I was left homeless, after a careless person burned down my apartment complex. Uh, and I do like scotch and this is this is. This is not bad, but since being on the show and tasting all these bourbons and whatnot, uh, it's a little thin for my taste actually, so we'll talk more about that. Okay, well, thanks, mark, for the mumble. As always. Whiskey and technology what a great pairing, just like peanut butter M&Ms and peanut M&Ms. No, I don't know. I don't know he writes these things.

Marc Gregoire: 37:36

I don't know. That's like two worst M&Ms out there in the world. I don't know.

Mike Gorday: 37:39

I, like you know it goes together like copy and paste. That's something that you know, I think that's better, because then at least nobody's allergic to copy and paste. Yeah, thanks, nathan for the M&M thing.

Odi: 37:50

Well, you know why he did it, though.

Mike Gorday: 37:52

Why?

Marc Gregoire: 37:52

because he's got the potty dance on his mind, no, because Mike and Mark M&M were hosting the show today. Oh, look at me, I am completely non-literal at all stages today.

Mike Gorday: 38:03

Okay.

Odi: 38:06

Okay, what's up next?

Mike Gorday: 38:07

Mike, I don't even know.

Odi: 38:09

It's our technology family.

Mike Gorday: 38:09

I don't even know anywhere. Since we have M&M on the show, Nathan thought this would be a funny thing to add. All right, let's get ready for a technology fail the week brought to you by Lead Executive Services Technology X-Words to help you out of a technology fail. We are out of time. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 1: 38:31

Oh, I failed. Did I? Yes, Did.

Speaker 6: 38:36

I yes, did.

Marc Gregoire: 38:39

I yes.

Mike Gorday: 38:42

All right, so.

Odi: 38:44

All right, here we are, inform me.

Mike Gorday: 38:46

Speaking about this week's technology fail. This week, it comes from us, from our buddies over at Metta, who I think right now is not suing anybody or being sued by anybody. Wampwamp that I? Yeah. Where's my wampwamp? Okay, it's been some time since they have been in this segment. Well, facebook and Instagram went down in what appears to be a massive outage of parent companies, metta's platform. People trying to log onto the websites and apps were finding error messages and were unable to refresh their feeds. As normal Tracking website down detector indicated hundreds of thousands of reported outages for Facebook and Instagram, affecting multiple countries and particularly the Kardashians in Calabasas, right.

Marc Gregoire: 39:34

Well, do you know that? Because? Did it affect you? Did you even know they were down? No, I didn't either, and I'm surprised.

Odi: 39:40

What time was this outage?

Mike Gorday: 39:41

at I don't know, I don't even use those. I don't use social media. I use, I never.

Odi: 39:51

Yeah, we get it. You're a hermit, Anyway.

Marc Gregoire: 39:53

Yeah, I'm a hermit, I don't do much Instagram, but I do do Facebook.

Mike Gorday: 39:57

Well, apparently it went on earlier this day, probably while you were sleeping. Okay, so you know it didn't really affect you at all. Metta has acknowledged the issue and says it is working on this. Right now we are aware of an issue impacting Facebook login. Our engineering teams are actively looking to resolve the issue as quickly as possible. Metta's platforms are some of the most popular in the world. Facebook has three billion active monthly users, while Instagram is expected to hit 1.4 billion worldwide later this year. Threads, it's rival to Twitter that was launched in 2023, has also seen some reported outages. Whatsapp, which Metta has recently acquired, appears to be unaffected. Metta spokesman said earlier today a technical issue caused people to have difficulty accessing some of our services. We resolved the issue as quickly as possible for everyone who was impacted and we apologize for any inconvenience. The biggest outage of the company was seen in 2021, when founder Mark Zuckerberg apologized for the disruption caused. It seems we all need our Metta fix, just like a morning cup of coffee.

Marc Gregoire: 41:09

All right, so yeah. So I mean, as we've been talking, Facebook.

Mike Gorday: 41:14

I know that really affected you it didn't affect me at all.

Marc Gregoire: 41:17

Facebook's on its way down. You know, if it had been TikTok, I think more of the world would have noticed.

Mike Gorday: 41:23

You know, if it had been TikTok, everybody would have known.

Odi: 41:27

You know what you would have said If it would have been TikTok?

Mike Gorday: 41:30

What Get a life?

Odi: 41:32

There you go.

Mike Gorday: 41:34

That might have been what I said.

Marc Gregoire: 41:36

Maybe that's only affecting old people, Facebook being down Well, yeah, Facebook is the old people.

Mike Gorday: 41:41

No, but Instagram Funny, which is really funny to say.

Marc Gregoire: 41:45

I don't know. Let's ask Greg McNabb if he noticed anything. I'll have to give him a call.

Mike Gorday: 41:50

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Speaker 6: 42:31

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Odi: 42:38

StoryCoffeecom.

Mike Gorday: 42:41

Yes, Odie, I heard the intro music this time.

Odi: 42:43

I'm so glad that you did.

Mike Gorday: 42:45

But you have to understand that I'm looking at a script that says there's going to be a piece that I say before the intro music. So blah.

Odi: 42:53

Oh, what Well.

Marc Gregoire: 42:55

So how's this gonna work, mike, using Nathan to ask you the question? Are you asking yourself a question and answering yourself? This seems a little psychotic, I don't know.

Odi: 43:03

No, I'm gonna say psychotic. He's asking within himself yeah, so out of the ether.

Mike Gorday: 43:09

Nathan, who is not here right now, but I'm sure he's listening and shaking his head and wondering what's going on here in the studio. He has asked does a global outage to Facebook or any social media content allow people to relax more or does it cause anxiety?

Marc Gregoire: 43:30

Well, that's a good question, Is it?

Mike Gorday: 43:32

That's a really good question what do?

Marc Gregoire: 43:33

you think it does. It depends on the person and their personality. I think to some degree, but I think overall, the way society has been going, I think that causes more anxiety than not.

Mike Gorday: 43:45

You would be correct. Okay, so this causes an incredible amount of anxiety, and I don't even need to cite any research on that, because we're engaging in something that we do in normal routine, and if this is part of your normal routine, anything that disrupts our normal routine is going to cause some kind of anxiety. Now, the problem with this is we're dealing with something that's built to be addictive in nature, and as soon as I take away what you're addicted to, so if I take away what neither of you are smokers, right? No?

Odi: 44:27

No.

Mike Gorday: 44:28

Okay. So if you were smokers and I took your cigarettes and hid them, a lot of hilarity would ensue the more you tried to find those cigarettes right.

Marc Gregoire: 44:39

I don't know if you ever did that with your parents who smoked, or whatever.

Mike Gorday: 44:43

No, I didn't have that opportunity. Oh, okay well, that's kind of what happens. My parents didn't smoke, but here we've got these systems that have an addictive quality to them and suddenly they are unavailable to us and it in acts a fear response because we don't have that ability to engage in that activity Like we would normally do. A lot of folks, a lot of folks, will use these platforms as Escape mechanisms right.

Mike Gorday: 45:20

So they they don't have their normal escape mechanism, they can't scroll. There's also a FOMO quality to this. You know what FOMO is? Yes, fear of missing out of missing out. Okay so, and it's really not fear, they are missing out because nothing's, nothing's happening, nothing's happening.

Marc Gregoire: 45:38

So does it have a different impact versus an outage which is unplanned, versus something that is planned? As an individual Like sometimes I've gone on vacation where I knew I wouldn't have internet service or wouldn't, or I've left my phone behind and it takes me about a day to kind of not be looking for the phone and checking. But then I get into this more relaxed state yeah, okay so that's it.

Mike Gorday: 46:00

That's a good question.

Odi: 46:02

Because I went out this last weekend I completely forgot my phone and my sister and I went out to Pike Place Market. I Did not feel like at all anxious, but it was very frustrating that we had to rely on her for whatever else we had to look up over in the area.

Mike Gorday: 46:19

Okay, so you had, you had sort of like a replacement in a, a surrogate phone, right yeah, because I would be like oh, how long does it take to get to this place?

Odi: 46:27

Oh, like I can't look it up.

Mike Gorday: 46:29

Yeah, okay, so there's all struggle. But that that does create an emotional response right. So, you created. You were created so that the answer to your question here is that, if you plan to do this, it's a lot easier to move away from that anxiety because you're already you're already putting things in place to support that behavior.

Mike Gorday: 46:49

You're like okay, I'm gonna go camping On this date and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna have cell service and, in your mind, you're going okay. So that means I'm not gonna be looking at Facebook or Instagram or whatever. And as you get closer to that date, you're, you're gonna, you're gonna feel a little spikes of anxiety, I'm sure, which you may not even be aware of, but it may increase the amount of scrolling that you do prior to Leaving for that camping trip.

Mike Gorday: 47:15

I didn't think about that, but when you go on that camping trip you will, you will be okay, you know you're, you're gonna, you're gonna have those needs. One of the one of the one of the basic tenets of addiction Is that you have a withdrawal symptoms and in the, in the world of social media, the withdrawal symptoms is just randomly picking up your phone and Hitting that scroll button and being like, okay, what the heck, what's going on here? So, yes, you can plan and some people, some people, are not going to be affected by this as much. It depends on how Much you depend on these systems.

Mike Gorday: 47:52

There are a lot of people that freak out because they depend on these systems to generate money for them, like the Kardashians or influencers in general, and Then you step down to the people who use it for news and things that they're they're used to getting on a daily basis. The short answer here is always going to be yes, going to create more anxiety than it does. Relaxation based on emergency outings.

Odi: 48:24

Now I'm gonna ask you a question Do you think there could be a healthy way to go about social media Like what if I put a timer on it? Because now you, there's a thing where you can set a time that you're allowed to walk beyond an application. Do you think that can improve it?

Mike Gorday: 48:40

Yeah, I. I think that anytime away from social media is a positive. Now, when I say I don't use social media, I get all kinds of notifications all the time from things that gives me a new story or something. Now if I'm looking at it for a new story, I'll go in and I'll look at it quickly.

Mike Gorday: 48:58

But then, I shut it off because If I start scrolling, that's the end, because I always find something that oh Well, what's this going on, what's that going on? And so that FOMO thing kicks in and I'm like uh-huh. So yeah, putting a timer on it is healthier than not doing it. But I have dealt in. This may be a just a result of my age. You know, I'm getting up there and I'm like Pretty much everything is BS Right. You know I'm like well, you know.

Marc Gregoire: 49:35

They have to do with age or personality. Maybe that's another.

Mike Gorday: 49:38

Maybe that's.

Marc Gregoire: 49:39

Yeah, that may be another mesmerizing moment, but Some people turn into sweet old people and some turn into grunge.

Mike Gorday: 49:46

No, I'm practicing. I'm practicing to be that guy that yells at people to get off my lawn, except I'm gonna go to the city park and do it, yeah, so no, I mean anything that you, anything that you, you do that, uh, keeps it so it doesn't have a hold on you. Is is, of course, healthier, so putting on it is. As long as when the timer goes off, you can shut it off and move on with your day right.

Mike Gorday: 50:16

That's a that's a good thing. But if it's if it's infringing on things like you know you're sitting there and you know you have to do your job, you know and you're sitting there and you're scrolling that that could be a problem.

Odi: 50:30

Hmm so if. I, if I had nothing planned all day.

Mike Gorday: 50:34

So if you had nothing, planned all day and and you were scrolling. I don't you know? There's some debate about that right.

Odi: 50:42

Well, I wouldn't be easier?

Mike Gorday: 50:43

wouldn't it be easier, wouldn't it be better or healthier for you to engage in some sort of Exercise or walk outside or something around the house instead of just sitting there? The the main issue with social media. It is designed to keep you moving that thumb up and down the screen. That's what it's designed to do, and the more you do it, the more you're going to get feedback from your system that this is a good thing and that the nice little dopamine rush.

Mike Gorday: 51:11

That's yep. You get your dopamine rushes, you get your, you get your. You get some sense of voyeurism. You get a lot of stuff going on that can be like this is your brain tells you that this is a good thing.

Marc Gregoire: 51:23

So and the next thing you know, using chat gpt in adult, cold, dark corner to be your romantic partner.

Odi: 51:31

Oh.

Mike Gorday: 51:32

Are you revealing something about yourself?

Marc Gregoire: 51:35

That was another thing in the news recently that that people are using chat. A lot of people are turning to chat gpt For a romantic partnership, romantic.

Odi: 51:44

Yes, partnerships romantic. Have you seen that movie with Joaquin Phoenix?

Mike Gorday: 51:48

her.

Odi: 51:49

Oh my god, I love that.

Mike Gorday: 51:50

Yeah, that's exactly, I have not okay, that's your homework.

Mike Gorday: 51:54

That's a good movie to check out. So, yeah, what you're talking about is is parasympath or Parar relationships, and there is an act there is a surge Of this going on along with the rise of ai that a lot of people are using this to develop romantic attachments to this thing, because chat, gpt and other large language models are designed to Engratiate themselves to you by always giving you some sort of positive regard, no matter what's going on, which we've done stories about this, which is no different if you're in a negative space, if you're struggling with depression.

Marc Gregoire: 52:38

You know, a lot of times, instead of Reaching out for help, you're trying to find ways to cope, and that's why people turn to drugs or alcohol. And it's now chat. Gpt seems to be another piece of that.

Mike Gorday: 52:49

Yeah, these are all. These are all coping mechanisms that are not necessarily healthy.

Odi: 52:55

They're not necessarily healthy speaking of unhealthy coping mechanisms, you want to go to our whiskey tasting?

Mike Gorday: 53:04

Yeah, let's move on.

Speaker 1: 53:07

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Odi: 53:13

Tell us about it, mark.

Marc Gregoire: 53:14

All right, we are drinking today Kirkland signature blended scotch whiskey that's generally from Costco but it's released by alexander murray. It's from scotland. It's a blended scotch Roughly three years old, 80 proof and for this 1.75 liter bottle, which is hunkin, it is under 20 bucks. Yeah, that's a big bottle of scotch. There's a big bottle of scotch.

Mike Gorday: 53:38

Can. Can I just expect that you're just not going to give it a thumbs anything, it's just thumbs down for you um, well, I hate to give a thought because I don't drink scotch.

Marc Gregoire: 53:48

I hate to say it's thumbs down because that's unfair to it. But try to taste it to me. I taste the barley and that's about all I taste. I don't get any smoke, I don't get any peat, I don't get any cedar or smoke. None of that, none of those notes that tells it's a scotch. To me it almost tastes like an american single malt.

Mike Gorday: 54:07

Okay, so thumbs up for thumbs down.

Marc Gregoire: 54:09

Well, I'd be thumbs down. I wouldn't drink it personally.

Mike Gorday: 54:12

Okay, uh, I'm gonna give it a thumbs up. It's. It's not a bad taste. Um, like I said, it's a little thin, but it's because now I'm used to all these very full flavored Whiskeys that mark has been corrupting me with. Corrupting did you taste?

Odi: 54:30

it oh yeah, I did not smart woman yeah it's not bad, good, good about a lot of things that mike brings in.

Mike Gorday: 54:38

Well, yeah, I do bring in a lot of joke stuff, but this, this one, was a gift and I appreciate the gift. So thank you For giving me this. It it will main. It will be on in my shelf. So, okay, all right, that is it. We are about out of time. We want to thank our listeners for joining the program. Listeners, we want to hear from you. Just visit techtimeradiocom, click on, be a caller and ask us a question on technology or psychology and our talk back recording system. You can always stay connected by signing up for the newsletter to stay up to date on that technology from all of us to you.

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