194: Tech Turmoil as a battle royale between OpenAI and The New York Times starts. Musk battles Microsoft over Windows 11 setup on his new PC. Cybersecurity guru Nick Espinosa talks about hackers, stashers, and chaos galore | Air Date: 2/25 - 3/2/24

Embark on a roller coaster of tech updates and laughter as we navigate the tumultuous OpenAI and The New York Times saga. Feel the heat of the moment as we dissect hacking claims, copyright disputes, and the ramifications for the AI industry. But it's not all courtroom drama; prepare for a shift in gears as we chuckle over Elon Musk's Windows 11 woes and Wendy's foray into the dynamic world of surge pricing. Your fast-food favorites might just get a little more unpredictable, and we're here to give you the scoop.

Nick Espinosa, our cybersecurity expert, joins us to unravel the knotty aftermath of a ransomware attack on Change Healthcare, a linchpin in the US pharmacy supply chain. This isn't your everyday tech talk; it's a reality check on safeguarding our healthcare infrastructure against the ever-looming digital threats. Meanwhile, we're tipping our hats to tradition with a sip of Benjamin Pritchard's Sweet Lucy bourbon-based liqueur.

Concluding this episode is a cultural mash-up where tech meets history and whiskey blends with geekdom. We reminisce about the game-changing Echo One satellite and debate if playing Doom on a smart lawnmower is peak multitasking or just plain madness.

Join our TechTime Radio community, grab your favorite glass, settle in, and let's toast to the extraordinary world of technology that continues to shape our lives in the most unexpected ways.

Episode 194: Starts at :30

Episode 194: This week on TechTime with Nathan Mumm®, we've got a jam-packed show for you! First up, the battle royale between OpenAI and The New York Times. Hold onto your neural networks! OpenAI accuses the Times of "hacking" ChatGPT. It's AI drama at its finest! Next, picture this: your burger's price dancing to the rhythm of demand. Wendy's is testing digital menu boards that adjust prices based on demand. Your lunchtime Baconator might cost a little extra.

And cue the dramatic music! Musk battles Microsoft over Windows 11 setup on his new PC.  Cybersecurity guru Nick Espinosa joins us later—hackers, stashers, and chaos galore! Strap in, listeners, because Tech Time Radio is launching into orbit.

Stay tuned for all this and more, only on TechTime Radio with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Humm" Technology news of the week for February 25th  – March 2nd, 2024

 --- [Now on Today's Show]
 --- [Top Stories in Technology]

• OpenAI Accuses the New York Times of 'Hacking' ChatGPT
• Tesla owners told not to wear Apple virtual reality headsets while driving
• Wendy's will use new digital menu boards to change your burger's price based on overall demand

--- [Pick of the Day - Whiskey Tasting Reveal]
Benjamin Prichard's "Sweet Lucy" Bourbon Based Liqueur | 70 Proof | 30.00

--- [Ask the Expert - Nick Espinosa]
Nick talks about his four technology breaches, scams and hacks.

--- [This Week in Technology]
This Week in Technology: February 24, 1962, First Phone and TV Satellite Relays Established
 
--- [Marc's Whiskey Mumble]
Marc Gregoire's review of this week's whiskey

--- [Technology Fail of the Week]
This week’s “Technology Fail” comes to us from Elon Musk on his new PC setup. 

--- [Mike's Mesmerizing Moment brought to us by StoriCoffee®]
Question:  Do you like the idea of an economy going to surge pricing? 

--- [Nathan Nugget]
Mario vs Donkey Kong | Mowing down demons: DOOM comes to Husqvarna smart lawnmowers.

--- [Pick of the Day Whiskey Review]

Benjamin Prichard's "Sweet Lucy" Bourbon Based Liqueur | 70 Proof | 30.00
Mike: Thumbs Down
Nathan: Thumbs Down

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Broadcasting across the nation, from the east coast to the west, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, hmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum.

Nathan Mumm: 0:31

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mum, the show that makes you go hmmm. Technology News of the Week the show for the everyday person Talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects Weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mum, your host, a technologist with over 30 years of technology expertise working for Fortune 500 companies across the nation. Our co-host here, Mike Gorday, is in studio. Mike's an award-winning author and human behavior expert. He helps keeping me from geeking out and we are live streaming during our show on five of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, Twitchtv X, Facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom forward slash techtime radio. We are all friends, from different backgrounds, but bringing the best technology show possible weekly for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. We're glad to have ODR producer at the control panel today. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1: 1:37

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm: 1:41

All right. Today on Tech Time, we got a jam-packed show for you. First up, the battle royale between open AI and the New York Times. We'll be talking about this. This was the breaking story this morning. So you look at me like, hey, we didn't talk about this last night.

Mike Gorday: 1:53

No, I'm looking at you because you're yelling.

Nathan Mumm: 1:55

Oh, am I yelling at you.

Mike Gorday: 1:56

Yeah, I can hear you through my headset.

Nathan Mumm: 1:58

Okay, well, that's okay, All right. So then we're going to also be talking about essentially open AI is accusing the times of hack and chat GPT. It's an all-out AI drama at its finest. Next picture this your burger place is dancing in the rhythm for the demands of that brand new burger. Wendy's is testing digital menu boards that adjust prices based on demand. Your lunchtime baconator might cost you a little extra. You're going to be excited about that, Mike. So essentially, we're talking about what Wendy's has got coming on.

Nathan Mumm: 2:30

And Wendy's got some technology stuff that they've tried to do in the past and I'll go through a couple of these things.

Mike Gorday: 2:36

I think this is a fall on your face thing.

Nathan Mumm: 2:38

Okay, all right, and cue the dramatic music. Musk battles Microsoft over Windows 11 setup of his new PC. And that's not all. Cybersecurity guru Nick Espinoza joins us later with hacks, stashes of information and chaos galore, strapping listeners because tech time radio is launching into orbit. In addition, of course, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment, our technology fail the week and a possible Nathan Nugget and, of course, our pick of the day, whiskey tastings, to see if our selected whiskey pick gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. But now it's time for the latest headlines and the world of technology.

Speaker 1: 3:18

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm: 3:21

All right Story number one open AI accuses the New York Times of hacking chat GPT. Let's go, and it's a David Larson with more on the story.

Speaker 2: 3:32

The New York Times is currently suing open AI for copyright infringement and claims that the influential tech startup used its journalistic material to train its chat bot, chat GPT, without paying the proper licensing fees. But Sam Altman's company, open AI, is fighting back against these accusations with some accusations of its own. This week, open AI claimed that the newspaper had hacked its products. It took them tens of thousands of attempts to generate the highly anomalous results that make up exhibit J to the complaint. It's not entirely clear what open AI is talking about. If I had to guess, it sounds like the New York Times hired a contractor to see whether they could make chat GPT reproduce their reporting.

Nathan Mumm: 4:20

All right, yes, here's what we got going on An illegal filing made public this week, open AI claimed that it had product abuse by someone who was paid by the New York Times to do so.

Nathan Mumm: 4:33

In other words, the company claimed that essentially they brought in somebody to go through and actually look at open AI's code and to try to hack it to see how it would actually work within the system itself. It took them tens of thousands of attempts, essentially in this exhibit J complaint, and open AI says we are going to come back at you guys for complaining about us using this tool to learn the system which open AI was a language model, a large language model, which probably used many sources of information, and I'm sure the New York Times was one of many of their sources that they had. But now it looks like the New York Times kind of reverse engineered it so that they can use the existing systems and be a part of this lawsuit saying that they are actually a problem because they hired a contractor to come on in a hack away with that. All right, so we got nothing better than two.

Mike Gorday: 5:28

I'm still trying to follow your whole thing here.

Nathan Mumm: 5:31

Okay, so open, ai, yeah, open.

Mike Gorday: 5:34

AI is countersuing New York Times because they say New York Times hired somebody to hack their system and do what with it.

Nathan Mumm: 5:44

Find out that essentially to use their system incorrectly, the way that it's not supposed to be used, so that they could then establish this exhibit, so that the New York Times could sue open AI. So, they essentially brought in a contractor. He hacks away at the code, then says aha, looks like this is where they found they were using our documents. This is where they were searching for your documents in the large language model, and then essentially that's a part of the lawsuit.

Mike Gorday: 6:10

Well, you're a Sam Altman fan. I am. Who were you rooting for?

Nathan Mumm: 6:15

I think Altman is going to win this one. Why do you think that? Well, because I think that if you-.

Mike Gorday: 6:20

Because you're a Sam Altman fan.

Nathan Mumm: 6:23

No, because there was no AI rules in place to use this large language model. They're now creating this. Hey well, if you guys are going to be using our information, you need to pay. I'm the local Seattle Times. If I want to watch or any videos on there I want to read more than two articles a day I have to pay for a subscription fee. They didn't have this 10 years ago. A lot of the newspaper companies that have moved from print to online now charge a subscription fee, but they're saying that the data that was used previously to that was just open data that they could mine and get the information.

Mike Gorday: 6:56

Okay, so what happens? Let's assume maybe you're correct that open AI gets this win. What happens if they don't?

Nathan Mumm: 7:06

Well, if they don't, then they end up just paying a lot of money and go to the New York Times and say here you go, but I think the terms and conditions of so software company is really good.

Mike Gorday: 7:18

with their terms and conditions, that Well they just need to prove that somebody actually hacked them.

Nathan Mumm: 7:22

Yeah, so what it sounds like is the actual person or firm that they hired maybe kind of squealed, that that's what they were doing, and so that's a part of the lawsuit where the actual company or individuals that were a part of this actually went to open AI and told them what they did.

Mike Gorday: 7:37

Okay.

Speaker 2: 7:37

That's what it sounds like you know what I'm ready.

Nathan Mumm: 7:40

You know I'm ready for this next hard journalism article you're going to be bringing to us.

Mike Gorday: 7:46

This is a good one.

Nathan Mumm: 7:46

Okay, what do we got?

Mike Gorday: 7:49

Tesla owners are being told not to wear Apple virtual reality headsets while driving. What?

Nathan Mumm: 7:58

Really Okay. Is that something? You have to send a bulletin board service and the news alert out to I don't know.

Mike Gorday: 8:05

Us Secretary for Transportation, pete Buttegig, posted on X to say that all current vehicles require the driver to be engaged at all times. Videos posted online show people in the driver seat of cars which have the autonomous mode while wearing the Apple headset over their eyes. One was reposted by Pete, who wrote reminder all advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times. Apple's user guide warns against using the headset while driving. Okay, well, tesla should always maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle, even when it is an autonomous mode. Okay, the Apple Vision Pro headset went on sale in the US on February, the second with a $3,500 price tag. Yep, while users can see through the glass in some modes, it would still severely restrict vision while driving.

Marc Gregoire: 9:09

Okay, Did you hear about the guy I'm blast the New.

Nathan Mumm: 9:13

York subway.

Mike Gorday: 9:15

he got mugged because it was yeah you were talking about that, but I think this is just funny that we actually have to tell people to do this.

Nathan Mumm: 9:24

Yeah.

Mike Gorday: 9:24

This is why I laugh. This is the fun stuff about human behavior, because we are so dumb that we will think that you can drive. Yes, we will think that this feature of my car oh, this does autonomous driving, and I've seen videos of other people doing other stuff right, which is insanely stupid, and somebody's gonna win a Darwin award For this. Yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 9:54

I just don't get. Clearly. These Apple users again, are a unique breed. I have played with one of the new Apple devices I do not own one myself Well, and they're nice, but I would never think that I'm gonna be taking this $3,000 device out in the public or use it to drive, or use it in this mixed reality. I would do it at home. I'm not gonna be using this as a virtual desktop or to walk down to the store.

Mike Gorday: 10:22

Yeah, I don't you know I don't really get into that stuff. I know you have a-.

Nathan Mumm: 10:27

I got a quest.

Mike Gorday: 10:27

A quest, I don't really. I don't really have this, but the fact that people are being called out for using it while driving, that's the scary thing. This is why I'm always talking negatively about stuff, because this kind of stuff is super scary. What would happen if you're driving down the road and suddenly get T-boned by somebody who is in their Tesla, wearing their Apple goggles and playing some video game or using a virtual desktop or something while they're driving?

Nathan Mumm: 11:00

I would have a lot of money. What would you do? I would have a lot of money? Yeah, okay, All right. Well, to keep your positivity moving forward.

Mike Gorday: 11:09

Yeah, here we go to story number three. I love this one too.

Nathan Mumm: 11:11

All right, Wendy's wants to start Uber-like surge pricing in 2025. Let's go to Karen Westland for more on the story.

Speaker 5: 11:21

Wendy's will use new digital menu boards to change your burger's price based on overall demand. It will start experimenting with surge pricing, much like Uber and Lyft, as the company rolls out digital menus to all its United States restaurants by 2025. Under the test, burgers, frosties and other menu items will have dynamic prices, costing more during times of increased demand. But a Wendy's spokesperson said its dynamic pricing will also enable discounts at slow times of the day. Wendy's did not comment on higher prices during peak hours, but confirmed these changes could be coming as early as next year. My guess is that Mike is like most of the American population and not a fan of technology being used for surge pricing. Back to you guys in the studio.

Mike Gorday: 12:09

Do you agree with Karen? That would be accurate.

Nathan Mumm: 12:12

Okay, all right, well here's what we got going on. Well, first, before we start this, what do you think a Wendy's Baconator right now costs in New York City? I don't know, I don't really care. $12.24 to get your Baconator Wendy's, just a sandwich Just a sandwich, not the meal, just a sandwich.

Nathan Mumm: 12:30

That's nuts. But under dynamic pricing this price could fluctuate throughout the day, so the burger could increase around lunchtime and around dinner and then during the slow afternoon times it could decrease. So you could get a $2 off or you could pay a $2 more.

Mike Gorday: 12:44

You know they do that with gas prices, right.

Nathan Mumm: 12:47

I do, and they do that specifically when you go to a theme park. If you go on in there, sometimes prices will change depending on how many people are there, If they have a lot of popcorn left over or something like that.

Mike Gorday: 12:57

Are you happy?

Nathan Mumm: 12:57

about that I do not like surge pricing. No, Okay, so that's good. We're on the same page then, but if I was an Uber driver, I would like to make the surge pricing deal for a concert, but I think that's different.

Mike Gorday: 13:10

I have a different range for that. This is the issue, right, where do we go to look at the business, or are we talking about the consumer? Okay, well, if I go to a concert.

Nathan Mumm: 13:18

If I go to a concert, I'm spending Bukku Box and I have an Uber that's gonna take me there and take me home. My expectation I have no problems paying more, knowing because I'm at a concert that that driver may have to wait outside in 40 minutes before it's over because you don't know when it's actually gonna let out, and that I have a certain time.

Mike Gorday: 13:36

I don't think Uber works like that.

Nathan Mumm: 13:38

Yeah, it does. You can do reserve for the Uber pricing and then they surge that price type of deal and I as the consumer have to pay that. But the driver also gets a benefit of doing it during the surge price. So I'm okay with that on the driving aspect, but I don't think I'm okay with that on anything else. That would totally irk me. If I go in at, if I'm standing in front of a menu item at 11.15, and all of a sudden I see the price jump up like 35 cents, I would literally I would lose my cool. But as I said, no, I want the price that I just saw up there and be like oh sorry, it's the computer system, I don't know how to change it.

Mike Gorday: 14:13

Yeah, yeah, that, yeah, it's gonna be the way that it is.

Nathan Mumm: 14:15

I mean Dynamic prices is the new concept?

Nathan Mumm: 14:18

Essentially, wendy's is gonna roll out all of their integrated tech as a part of this. So every one of the Wendy's stores franchises that are out there are gonna have to have these tech-based systems, which I'm sure, as a franchisee, you're probably excited about because it can do the surge prices. Now let's just see how well Wendy's worked with other items in technology. The company had plans to unveil an AI chatbot powered drive-through back in May of last year. However, it came out that the secret technology behind some of those experiences was actually real humans.

Nathan Mumm: 14:54

All right, now the company also announced, this is a fleet of tunnel-dwelling self-driving robots to help deliver your order in 2023. Okay so, wendy, I need to order a Baconator from Wendy's, where I need that fleet to essentially have a tunnel-dwelling self-driving robot to deliver my burger.

Mike Gorday: 15:16

I want to have my cold-miner. Sounds like a movie. I'm like. Cold-miner Sounds like a movie Remember, it's like chud.

Nathan Mumm: 15:21

Okay, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:21

Cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller.

Mike Gorday: 15:23

Okay, there you go.

Nathan Mumm: 15:26

Wendy's is hoping that they'll use the surge pricing and that people will not mine it, especially during the dinner time rush.

Mike Gorday: 15:33

I like that they put that. They hope they won't mind it.

Nathan Mumm: 15:36

The company knows that this will only be a test to start, made possible by their digital menus.

Mike Gorday: 15:41

Uh-oh, what do you got? I was just gonna say something. You see, if that were me and I knew that I would just not go to Wendy's, I'd be going to the competitor.

Nathan Mumm: 15:48

Okay, so you know, McDonald's and some of their franchisee stores already do this.

Speaker 2: 15:52

They already do it they already do.

Nathan Mumm: 15:54

They already do surge pricing, specifically in downtown Seattle in our area. When you go down there, if it's a big event and you have a sporting event going on or a hockey game that's going on, they have different boards that change over. So they're not. They're gonna be probably the first fast food joint to do it just collectively, as everybody does it type of deal, but there's other fast food joints that currently do it. Now, well, that makes me hate Capitalistic America.

Mike Gorday: 16:24

In my whole thing about hoping humanity. My hope for humanity is that they would boycott. I would hope so, but they won't.

Nathan Mumm: 16:34

And I'll talk about that in a little bit later. Okay, all right. Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. When we return, we have Nick Espinoza from Security Fanatics, who will be joining us to discuss cybercrime, espionage and data breaches in our featured segment. If you're listening to Tech Time with Nathan Mum, we'll see you after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm: 18:02

Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm. Our weekly show covers the weekly top technology subjects without any political agendas. We verify the facts and we do that with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with a little whiskey on the side. Today, mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, joins us live in studio. Mark.

Mike Gorday: 18:21

Tell us what we're drinking today.

Nathan Mumm: 18:23

Mark, what are we tasting today? You?

Marc Gregoire: 18:25

guys don't seem to be doing much drinking today. Oh boy this is for Benjamin Pritchard's sweet Lucy Berman-Base LeCue, all right.

Marc Gregoire: 18:36

Now from Pritchard's website. They say sweet Lucy's legacy has been flowing up and down the Mississippi flyaway for years, warming the bodies and souls of outdoorsmen for generations. It kind of tastes like Mississippi water. Now this was born in a duck blind, because on frequent companions on duck hunts, variations of sweet Lucy's were generally homemade elixirs of peaches, oranges, apricots, with lots of sugar and whiskey. Great pride would be displayed by the makers of each one of their bottles for rounds of sipping among their friends.

Nathan Mumm: 19:11

And all the leftovers were put into sweet Lucy's.

Marc Gregoire: 19:13

Now okay, their sweet Lucy's LeCue is no different. It has become their most popular product, oh boy. And for every bottle they sell, a portion of the proceeds goes to non-profit organization Ducks Unlimited for their ongoing wetland conservation efforts.

Nathan Mumm: 19:29

Ducks Unlimited needs more help and have other people sponsor it. I don't know.

Marc Gregoire: 19:34

Now, if you've done with the jokes, let me tell you about the stats.

Mike Gorday: 19:36

I'm taking it.

Marc Gregoire: 19:38

Nathan really likes it. This is from Pritchard's Distillery in Kelso, tennessee. It's a LeCueur, it's non-age stated, it is 70 proof, the mash bill is unknown and it goes for about $30 a bottle.

Mike Gorday: 19:51

The bottle says imitation LeCueur.

Nathan Mumm: 19:54

Does this say imitation LeCueur?

Mike Gorday: 19:55

Yeah, it actually says imitation LeCueur on the bottle.

Marc Gregoire: 19:58

Yeah, this is not from my bar. This is like father-like son. Oh no, this is from Nathan's son's apartment. Wow, wow Okay.

Mike Gorday: 20:10

Tell you what he's drinking, oh he's not.

Nathan Mumm: 20:12

I don't think he's drinking this. I think he liked the bottle.

Mike Gorday: 20:15

I liked the bottle.

Nathan Mumm: 20:16

The bottle looks nice.

Marc Gregoire: 20:18

Oh, he's got full by his deck. It has a cork in it, so it's got to be good, according to Nathan.

Mike Gorday: 20:22

According to Nathan's, scale. This is cough syrup it does taste it's very fruity and syrup-y.

Nathan Mumm: 20:27

I remember my mom getting on top of me, plugging my nose and putting that cough syrup in. This tastes just like that. What? Kind of childhood did you?

Mike Gorday: 20:34

have oh.

Nathan Mumm: 20:35

I didn't like taking my medicine.

Marc Gregoire: 20:36

All right tell us anything more about this drink. Well, I was just going to say, even though we may not like the whiskey, hopefully our viewers out there like us. So please like and subscribe and comment on your favorite whiskey and let's see if we can get it on the show to review.

Mike Gorday: 20:48

All right, that duck's unlimited.

Nathan Mumm: 20:50

With our first whiskey tasting completed let's move on to our feature segment. Today we have our technology expert, Nick Espinosa. He's a join in the show. Nick is an expert in cybersecurity and network infrastructure as a consultant with clients ranging from small business to the Fortune 100 level. In 1998, at the age of 19, Nick founded Winnie City Networks, which was later acquired in 2015. He is now the main man at Security Fanatics, where he is the chief security fanatic. Let's welcome Nick to the Comcast video stream and start our next segment.

Speaker 1: 21:22

Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts with our tech time radio expert, Nick Espinosa.

Nathan Mumm: 21:31

Hi, nick. Nick, I hope you are having a better whiskey than we're having, or just plain water. You'll be fine with that too. Let me tell you.

Nick Espinosa: 21:38

You know, amazingly enough, I had two things on my Apocalypse Bingo card, and that was one Duck Blind Hooch and the other one was people with vision pros while driving autonomous vehicles. So you got two of those.

Mike Gorday: 21:53

We can certainly satisfy the bingo.

Nathan Mumm: 21:55

Well, we got Elon Musk going off at Microsoft a little later in today's show too. So there you go, all right. Well, nick, welcome to the show Now. We always enjoy having you on. You're our cybersecurity expert and we got lots to talk about. I sent you again. We had communicated last night and I said, hey, let's talk about this subject, and Nick was like man, that is so old, nathan, that is so last week and a half and we are moving on to the newest and brightest breakups, with companies getting hacked, to lots of other stuff. But let's first start off with a very sad aspect. We're going to be talking about a ransomware attack that hit the US largest pharmacy distributor, with one third of his patients in the entire US seeing outages and delays and refills. How did this happen, and tell us a little bit about this, nick?

Nick Espinosa: 22:41

Yeah, this one's absolutely nuts. So the company we're talking about is called Change Healthcare. They're basically a subsidiary of Optum Healthcare, which is a subsidiary of United Healthcare, which is, like, the largest healthcare provider here in the United States, and they are a technology services provider for pharmacies across the entire United States. So they got a cyber attack from a suspected nation state threat actor, meaning, like the Russians or the Chinese or somebody hit them, ransomware them out and, by virtue of it, locked up pharmacies across, essentially the United States, and that started on February 20th.

Nick Espinosa: 23:18

We are seven days in and we are still having problems with this, although they are in the process of restoring a lot of this stuff. And, for the record, change Healthcare is responsible for 15 billion healthcare transactions every single year and, as you mentioned, one third of all US patients have this problem. Now think about this You've got people on life saving medications. I literally had a client years ago that was on like blood clot medication, was told to go off it for a surgery, was off it for three days and literally died because of a blood clot. So so not having access to this kind of stuff is a horrific situation and if it's a nation state sponsored threat actor, them's fighting words for the US government.

Mike Gorday: 24:00

Wow.

Nathan Mumm: 24:01

Yeah, and now pharmacy. I mean, if you go after our healthcare, that's. America has a lot of strengths in military paralysis, but they do not have the ability to be safe on our healthcare system, so that is a concern to me. Now, this is your favorite government we're gonna be talking about here.

Mike Gorday: 24:23

What's next? Is there a positive to all this? That if they keep hitting us in these areas, two thirds of the patients were good. No, no, no, no, no. I'm being serious. Is there a positive to this that if they keep hitting these areas, those areas are going to get bulwarked so that they up their security level and it won't happen as much.

Nick Espinosa: 24:44

Well, so one of the biggest problems is is that most improvements on cybersecurity and in my experience have been retroactive.

Nick Espinosa: 24:51

So, like every week, I do a breaches of the week video and podcast, and literally the one that I did a couple of days ago on this past Sunday was 40 minutes long of just breach after breach after breach.

Nick Espinosa: 25:03

About 70% of those were healthcare, and so healthcare is a huge problem that we have, because healthcare tends to be very behind on these kinds of things, and so, by virtue of that, we're just kind of stuck, and that goes for anything. I mean, your accountant could get hit next week and start sending in fraudulent tax returns, literally with your name on it. Now you've got a problem with the IRS. We've had cases like that, so this is just across the board. But when you're hitting critical infrastructure, that's a huge issue, and Biden publicly went out in the beginning, near the beginning of his presidency and in this case, talking to Vladimir Putin, saying you can't hit a 16 core critical infrastructure sectors of the United States or we're gonna come back at you. This is one of those things where, if we can confirm it's a nation state actor, I'm pretty sure we're gonna get to hacking them in some way, but we'll see what happens.

Mike Gorday: 25:51

You should probably say that on TikTok.

Nick Espinosa: 25:53

Was that you?

Mike Gorday: 25:54

should probably say that on. Tiktok.

Nathan Mumm: 25:57

Well, so Nick and I have different opinions on TikTok, right? So Nick hates TikTok and I get it. I totally understand why he hates it and I kind of like it because I hate all the stuff that essentially.

Mike Gorday: 26:09

Facebook sells to the government. You have the honest justification for why you hate everything but TikTok. But you know, go ahead, Okay all right.

Nathan Mumm: 26:17

Well, speaking of TikTok, well, maybe not TikTok. A major Chinese government contractor was exposed, as he's been reported that China has been hacking and surveilling everyone. So now is this just a flashy headline, or tell us a little bit about this now?

Nick Espinosa: 26:30

No, no, if anything, this should be the biggest news story in terms of security and cybersecurity for 2024, at least to date, right Cause who knows what's gonna happen in the next like eight months. But this is a huge thing because, essentially, the Chinese police are investigating an unauthorized and seriously unusual dump of documents from one of their private security contractors that is literally linked to their top systems, in other words, the Ministry for Public Safety, that which surveils everybody, hacks everybody, et cetera. These are the people they were contracting out to do it, and so this company is called iSoon, that's I-S-O-O-N and man. They have been hacking, they have been surveilling and running disinformation campaigns around the world, and so their list of targets, of governments they've hit alone, are obviously Hong Kong that China's been after them for years because they quasi owned the semi-autonomous state, not to mention Taiwan, the plucky little island, and then countries all over Mongolia, malaysia, afghanistan, thailand, india, indonesia, nigeria, nato they went after NATO.

Nick Espinosa: 27:34

Think tanks across Asia, europe, central America, united States were all cut up in this document. Dump the contracts for these things, the proposals for these things. It was absolutely nuts. Now, on top of this, they were also hitting airlines. Vietnam Airlines got hit. I actually just flew them in the last six months, so that's awesome Cellular networks, government networks as well, and infrastructure. They've also been caught running social media influence campaigns, disinformation campaigns, as well On.

Nathan Mumm: 28:03

TikTok and of course, on TikTok, your favorite app no it's not I get, it's not my, it's just not my favorite. I'll be very clear.

Speaker 2: 28:09

Tiktok's not my favorite, what I'm just saying is that at least.

Mike Gorday: 28:13

I know.

Nathan Mumm: 28:13

TikTok isn't selling our information to the United States government because we have Facebook.

Nick Espinosa: 28:18

Yeah, they're showing them to somebody else. That's right, there you go. Okay, all right, absolutely nuts, absolutely Worst security news of the year so far.

Nathan Mumm: 28:24

So far, all right, we're gonna have to do you know what? We have to cover the top. We did that last year. We went through like the top 13 technology stories regarding cyber breaches that was posted out by some big conglomerate and we had like 10 of the 13 that we talked about on our deal. So I'm sure this is one of them. But the next thing is great. Facebook marketplace was hit with a good chunk of their entire database that is now up for sale in dark web, and I am not a happy Facebook customer. Let me just tell you this week I am about ready to kill anything to do with Facebook. I had pages up. They take down pages. They use some AI bots, so if you write a complaint about a page, you don't have to do any research. Facebook just takes that page offline for four to five days without saying anything and then they have someone take a look at it. Oh, I just okay, all right that's a different story.

Mike Gorday: 29:15

I don't know why that's a different story, but you're right.

Nathan Mumm: 29:18

What's the cost of the dark web right now on Facebook? If I wanted to have some of their marketplace code.

Nick Espinosa: 29:24

Oh Lord, it's not that expensive. It's going for something like few grand, 20 grand, something like that. But essentially, what happened was one of the Facebook contractors got hit. Nobody knows which contractor, because the outfit that is selling the data, they're known as Intel broker are not talking about this, but they hit them in October of 2023 and they basically grabbed about 200,000 data points.

Nick Espinosa: 29:47

So if you sold something on the Facebook marketplace full name, phone number, facebook and physical IDs, facebook profile settings all this kind of stuff is currently on sale for the dark web, and basically, on top of it, we have an additional 24,127 email addresses that have been compromised. I mean, if Facebook is breathing, they're getting data breached, and this is a huge one in the sense that what you're talking about is the marketplace, because most of us are not submitting things like driver's licenses or IDs to Facebook just to sign up to the account and then yell about politics for six months. If you're selling something on the marketplace, you actually have to give them ID and validate that you are who you are, so they can thwart scams, and so hitting the Facebook marketplace is some of the most sensitive user data that we're gonna see out there.

Nathan Mumm: 30:35

So, it's just a mess. This seems like a vicious circle.

Nick Espinosa: 30:38

It's a you know what?

Nathan Mumm: 30:39

There's gotta be a better social media platform out there, Nick we got it.

Mike Gorday: 30:42

You know what it is. You know what it is. Drink some beer and pizza. What no pack. New York Times, New York.

Nathan Mumm: 30:46

Times. The New York Times.

Nick Espinosa: 30:48

No, we gotta figure we should all go back to newsletters.

Nathan Mumm: 30:49

Yeah, we gotta figure out some of our bulletin board services or something like that. I mean, this is just now getting to the point this is ridiculous.

Mike Gorday: 30:55

This is getting ridiculous. It's always ridiculous.

Nathan Mumm: 30:58

I mean now I just might as well just walk around with my credit card right on my forehead and say here you go, take whatever numbers I have right there for it.

Nick Espinosa: 31:05

You're gonna do that Well there is a social media platform being developed called Better Social Okay, and it's supposed to basically be exactly that Much more private, validates who you are, so it thwarts bots, all that kind of stuff, because it's integrating human ID technology, like, literally, human ID is the outfit. So things are coming, but we have such a stratified. If you look at the college level and below, there has gotta be like 20 different social media platforms now that are all being adopted. So, like the old gray lady of Facebook is just basically where grandma and grandpa go and the kids eventually come.

Nathan Mumm: 31:38

Yeah, we were. Just we were talking with this other group that I'm doing some online stuff with, and essentially we were trying to figure out where we're gonna have a forum for people to communicate with. We actually went with what most people wanted to use, which was a Discord channel to communicate with people, versus a Facebook group page, a Facebook group chat, because more of the people were accustomed to that and felt safer in Discord on a one-to-one chat process, than the big mighty meta, and that was you know.

Nick Espinosa: 32:10

I get it. Discord themselves have publicly said we really don't monitor what goes on. Now they said something different to Congress about child abuse material, but they've traditionally said whatever you're doing on Discord, just go do your thing. We're not scanning this, it's more confederated. There you go.

Mike Gorday: 32:28

The more that I do the show, the less technology I use.

Nick Espinosa: 32:33

All your passwords. We are not going Amish. We are not going Amish, all right, okay.

Mike Gorday: 32:37

I'm adopting a Luddite lifestyle.

Nathan Mumm: 32:40

All right, okay, so here we go, here we go. So we got two minutes or less. We're going to talk about these items the LAX airport, Robert Haft, Microsoft U-Haul, SIGNA, Snyder Electric, the makers of APC and more got hit in the last week. Give us a rundown in two minutes what's going on with each of these companies.

Nick Espinosa: 32:58

Lordy Lord. So let's start with LAX, the massive airport here in the United States. Basically, if you have a private jet, you got hit and you got that data exposed. Once again, things to Intel broker, and if you do have one, make sure you tell Muffy at the club, because hers probably got hit too. Moving on Robert Haft, the massive human resource consulting firm, once again, intel broker has been a busy boy this week, and so they got confidential employee files, customer records, as well as settings for open AI your homeboy Altman there, twilio and other things as well. On top of it, that's going for about 20 grand in the dark web.

Mike Gorday: 33:34

Okay.

Nick Espinosa: 33:35

Microsoft got basically disclosed zero days, so would they have over 97,000 exchange email servers that organizations are still using around the globe that are exposed to a 9.1 out of 10 critical vulnerability, meaning I could teach a third grade class how to break into your company. So go update your email server. Not to mention the fact that a ton of their executives just got hacked, basically by a gang looking to understand what Microsoft knew about them.

Nick Espinosa: 34:02

On top of that, you haul. You're not hauling your data, apparently, or they're not rather so. They got hit when an internal system for dealers and team members got hit to track customer reservation. So your customer records got put out there, but they say payment details weren't there. So your credit cards, apparently from you haul, are safe. We'll see what happens.

Mike Gorday: 34:22

They knew I moved.

Nathan Mumm: 34:24

Yeah, right you did?

Nick Espinosa: 34:26

You did so maybe you changed that number. Anyway, signa as well. They got hit through their medical like one of their outsourced medical billings process medical or prospect medical holdings. So that's a classic supply chain hit, which means not just SIGNA but a ton of healthcare companies are gonna declare in the next couple of months and you know I'm gonna be talking about it. And then finally, schneider Electric, the French giant maker of APC stuff. Essentially they got hit by the Cactus ransomware gang that was discovered on January 17, but it only hit their sustainability business division. The problem is their sustainability business provides services to Clorox, dhl, hilton, pepsi and a whole bunch of others, and so we may see some massive Fortune 100, fortune 500 breaches again having to be declared because of Schneider Electric. So this is obviously a complete mess out there. But man, everybody was hacking everybody in the last week.

Mike Gorday: 35:19

This is the new Wild West it is. This is the Dalton gang going after the train. You know, this is exactly what this is.

Nathan Mumm: 35:27

Most of these cyber gangs now are backed by Italian mafia, old traditional mafia groups and Russian mafia groups, and so if you look at, what happened is they used to have the thug that would come and beat you up for your rent payment. Now they've just all moved all that work online and that's how they make their money.

Mike Gorday: 35:45

I don't know my thug came along. It'd be real shame if something happened to your website.

Nick Espinosa: 35:48

A real shame, that's right.

Nathan Mumm: 35:51

A real shame. All right, Nick, we always enjoy having you on. Tell everybody where they can get the information so they can listen to the 45 minute depressing security breaches I know. I don't listen, I'm Mike's going to sign up for this immediately so he can listen to this. That's right.

Nick Espinosa: 36:07

Yeah, bring your alcohol and Xanax. But you can like share, you can like share.

Mike Gorday: 36:10

I listen to Nick instead of country Western music.

Nick Espinosa: 36:14

But unfortunately, if you listen me backwards, you're not getting your data back.

Mike Gorday: 36:17

Oh man.

Nick Espinosa: 36:18

So I say all of that to say like, share, follow me Facebook and Twitter. Nick A ESP YouTube slash. Nick Espinoza come say hi, I love hanging out.

Nathan Mumm: 36:26

All right, it's always a great time, nick. Thank you so much for joining us Thanks, nick, all right. That ends our Ask the Expert with Nick Espinoza. Next we have this week in technology, so now would be a great time. Enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we will be doing so, or maybe during the break You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum. See you in a few minutes.

Speaker 2: 36:43

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Speaker 1: 37:15

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm: 37:21

All right, we're going back to February 24, 1962, the very first phone and TV satellite relays were established. The first satellite telephone and television relays are established through the communication satellite called Echo One. Its design was remarkable. Simply put, it was a large balloon that measured 100 feet across. The satellite provided a reflective surface in space. Radio signals directed at Echo from one location on Earth bounced to another. By the time Echo Two was launched in 1964, other types of communication satellites had also proven superior and researchers used the Echo's primary for scientifically done experiments.

Mike Gorday: 38:03

This is where it all started.

Nathan Mumm: 38:05

Yep Echo satellites posed a unique technology challenge, though. They were sent into the orbit flat like a pancake and then they would inflate in space. Inflation had to be done carefully to ensure the integrity of the satellite's balloon surface. Now I encourage you to go take a look at a picture of Echo One. Essentially, it looks like aluminum foil. It looks like a big.

Mike Gorday: 38:27

It was mylar, wasn't it yeah. That's remarkable, simply.

Nathan Mumm: 38:32

OK, it was very remarkable. Simply put, it was easy to bounce radio waves off items back and forth. But it was a very unique concept at the time when they originally put up the satellite. They didn't think about bouncing off television and telephone communications at first. It was actually brought up to do other tasks and they redeveloped it as they continued.

Mike Gorday: 38:53

So all you 5G people out there, this is where it started. This is it, with a big mylar balloon, with big mylar balloons.

Nathan Mumm: 39:01

That was this week in technology. If you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history, we will throw over 180 weekly broadcasts spanning four plus years of videos, podcasts and blog information. You can visit us at techtimeradiocom, subscribe and like to our services to watch our older shows. We're going to take a commercial break. When we return we have the Mark Mumble Whiskey Review. See you after the break.

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Speaker 1: 40:01

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Marc Gregoire: 40:12

All right. What do we have here, mark? What are we celebrating today?

Mike Gorday: 40:17

Blind Hooch.

Nathan Mumm: 40:19

Yeah, we're all duck hunting with this stuff, right?

Marc Gregoire: 40:23

Nothing to do with ducks. Nothing to do with ducks.

Mike Gorday: 40:25

Well, what?

Marc Gregoire: 40:25

kind of to do with ducks. Actually I take that back a little to do with ducks, so I take it back.

Mike Gorday: 40:30

Okay, all right, there you go. There was a whole big spiel about duck blinds.

Marc Gregoire: 40:32

Yeah, there was.

Nathan Mumm: 40:33

And ducks unlimited.

Marc Gregoire: 40:36

I meant for the day of February 27th.

Nathan Mumm: 40:37

What is February 27th, so?

Mike Gorday: 40:38

don't drink this whiskey day, it's two things First, it's personally personal.

Marc Gregoire: 40:44

It was my grandfather's birthday. He would be 107 today, which is surprising to older than our good friend Greg and Minab.

Nathan Mumm: 40:51

Oh, there you go.

Mike Gorday: 40:53

I get it yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 40:55

Was that a shameless plug there?

Mike Gorday: 40:57

A little shameless plug, yeah, okay.

Marc Gregoire: 40:59

And today is National Protein Day. Okay, so there you go with ducks, that's a protein, that's a protein.

Mike Gorday: 41:06

Okay. I feel, like you're taking on some of Nathan's leaps of logic here right now. I got a little bit more so let's talk about National Protein Day.

Marc Gregoire: 41:15

Our body's crave protein, which is a macronutrient. Today's focus on the health benefits of one's body's most basic building blocks, Now remember, protein helps build bones, skin, cartilage and blood All very important for you. It is yep Now, while promoting weight loss and increased muscle mass. There are all kinds of ways to get your protein Now. My grandfather's was boiled chicken and an occasional well done steak.

Mike Gorday: 41:40

Oh, boiled chicken is nasty.

Nathan Mumm: 41:42

I don't know if I do a well done steak, though.

Mike Gorday: 41:44

I kind of like mine a little red.

Marc Gregoire: 41:48

I don't go with either one of those either, but that's what he ate almost every single day.

Nathan Mumm: 41:52

Well, if it made him happy.

Marc Gregoire: 41:53

You know that's good.

Mike Gorday: 41:54

Well, you know a little trivia there Chickens used to be like a whole chicken, used to be like a nickel.

Nathan Mumm: 42:00

Okay, Back in the day, yeah.

Mike Gorday: 42:03

Because my grandmother would boil a chicken every day for her dogs.

Speaker 2: 42:07

Let's bring that back, okay.

Mike Gorday: 42:08

Huh.

Nathan Mumm: 42:09

Let's bring that back. Do you like boiled chicken?

Mike Gorday: 42:12

No Chicken for a nickel. Oh chicken for a nickel.

Nathan Mumm: 42:14

Oh, okay, we're going to have search pricing.

Mike Gorday: 42:16

when you go down to Fred Myers, see, that's what you get for living in a capitalist society.

Nathan Mumm: 42:20

You pick it up from Fred Myers and it says it's 4.95 a pound and you go and check it out. Oh, search pricing, now Search pricing, yeah, okay.

Marc Gregoire: 42:27

Sorry, all right, now we'll continue, because the coincidences don't stop.

Mike Gorday: 42:32

Okay.

Marc Gregoire: 42:33

My grandfather had a daughter named Lucy.

Mike Gorday: 42:36

Now that's my mother, sweet Lucy, sweet Lucy, that's going to be my new square.

Marc Gregoire: 42:40

Your square word.

Mike Gorday: 42:41

Yeah, sweet Lucy.

Marc Gregoire: 42:43

And besides loving protein, he also had a huge sweet tooth. He would have enjoyed this Benjamin Pritchard Sweet Lucy bourbon base liqueur.

Mike Gorday: 42:50

Okay.

Marc Gregoire: 42:51

Now Pritchard's Tennessee whiskey, though, in Tennessee is not produced using the Lincoln County process. Now, this is charcoal mellowing process that occurs when whiskey is filtered through charcoal before going into the cast for aging. Due to a special grandfathering exemption oh, under a Tennessee law acted in 2013, the Pritchard's distillery in Kelso is the only producer in allowed at all to label its product Tennessee whiskey without using this process. Oh, okay, their whiskey is still produced using pot stills, not comb stills. Now, like most whiskey liqueurs, pritchard's rendition is overwhelmingly sweet A syrupy concoction that is so very sugary, with no hints of bourbon.

Mike Gorday: 43:39

For me, yeah, it tastes like this is not my jam.

Marc Gregoire: 43:43

I think all our listeners would know that, but I will still raise a toast in memory of Popeye. Now for non-French speakers. That's slang term for grandfather.

Nathan Mumm: 43:53

Okay, I'll finish my whiskey here. All right, got to drink that quick.

Marc Gregoire: 43:58

Yeah, that's cool. All right, Mark, thanks for the lumbel. He went lumbel.

Nathan Mumm: 44:03

Whiskey and technology. What a great pairing, just like the pairing of Facebook with AI. Oh man, you can get worse.

Mike Gorday: 44:12

We are out of time.

Nathan Mumm: 44:14

Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 2: 44:17

Oh.

Marc Gregoire: 44:19

I failed. Did I yes, did I yes, did I yes.

Nathan Mumm: 44:25

All right, speaking about this week's technology fail, this comes to us from one of our favorites, elon Musk. It's been some time since we've had him in this segment. Yeah, we haven't even talked about him lately.

Mike Gorday: 44:37

I don't think we've talked about him at the beginning of this whole year.

Nathan Mumm: 44:39

I think he's now. This might be the first time we've talked about him twice. Well, Elon Musk decided to criticize Microsoft's process of setting up a new PC. So, first off, you're telling me that Elon Musk actually set up his own PC. Because I have worked for many billionaires in my life and multi-millionaires as tech support for these people. Not a single one of them set up any other PCs I don't know, so I actually think he may have actually done it, based on these complaints.

Mike Gorday: 45:08

Yeah, based on what's going on, I think Elon is the kind of guy that would try to do it himself.

Nathan Mumm: 45:13

Okay, so he did Well. Elon Musk recently had some problems. Essentially, he bought himself a new Windows computer, specifically a laptop. When he wanted to start using it, he realized that he had to create a Microsoft account to do so. Most people know this, but apparently it caught Elon by surprise and raised his hackles, because he must have had other people set up his PCs in the past. Musk expressed he was disappointed with Windows 11's Microsoft account on X, where essentially he posted this. Musk wrote Just bought a new PC laptop and it won't let me use it unless I create a Microsoft account, which also means given their AI access to my computer. This is messed up. There used to be an option to skip signing into a Microsoft account. Are you seeing this too?

Mike Gorday: 45:58

Put that out to everybody Wow.

Nathan Mumm: 46:00

Now Elon Musk wasn't satisfied with that. Instead, he also vented his displeasure with a direct tweet to Microsoft CEO Sadia Nadala. Musk wrote Sadia, I don't know or I don't want to be a pain, but please allow users setting up a new Windows PC to skip creating a Microsoft account. Now this option disappears when the computer is not connected to Wi-Fi. Also, it allows you to sign on up saying that you don't have Wi-Fi access. Musk was upset, though, because he said that even after he did get it signed up, it still wanted him to use his email account and create an account, because he uses his work email address and I only have work email addresses. Now, it's interesting that a billionaire actually spent the time to set up a machine Now on the feedback that he was getting. It was hilarious. One person told him and I don't know if it happened or not to put his laptop upside down and to shake it like an etch-a-sketch.

Mike Gorday: 46:56

Like an etch-a-sketch.

Nathan Mumm: 46:58

And then it would take care of it. Another person had him essentially read with the PC and went into the BIOS to disable all of the safety features of the machine itself and there were some hilarious comments. I'm sure he knew that most of them were fake, but he was happy to announce later that he had managed to set up his Windows PC without a Microsoft account.

Mike Gorday: 47:19

That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, thanks to the instructions from a follower.

Nathan Mumm: 47:23

Yes, you can still use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account, but doing so requires some unique work around, specifically not connecting to Wi-Fi. We're going to head out to our last commercial break. When we return, we have Mike's mesmerizing moment brought to us by StoryCoffee and the Nathan Negative of the Week.

Mike Gorday: 48:01

See you after this.

Nathan Mumm: 48:05

This is Mike's mesmerizing moment, presented by StoryCoffee. Visit StoryCoffeecom. All right, mike, are you excited about the economy possibly turning to surge pricing for all of our?

Mike Gorday: 48:22

products. Am I excited? No, I think this is a dumb idea, but then again, who cares what I think?

Nathan Mumm: 48:27

Well, no, this is your mesmerizing moment. Yeah. Why is we talked about it on the top of the show? Why is Wendy's deciding that this is what they're going to be doing for their Because they want money.

Mike Gorday: 48:39

It's a cash grab and they are using this technology to maximize their profits. Okay, right, and you know, do I think it's going to work? I hope it doesn't, okay, but realistically it's probably going to, because we are slaves to our routines as well as slaves to merchandising. Okay, so you know.

Nathan Mumm: 49:12

So now I'll send that going to Starbucks and it's going to. My price of coffee is going to be a little bit higher in the early mornings and you're going to accept it.

Mike Gorday: 49:19

Yeah, because it's part of your routine, and you're more likely to pay the additional money because it is part of your routine than not.

Speaker 2: 49:30

Or you just Adjust your schedule. Now here's my life schedule becomes too applied.

Mike Gorday: 49:34

There's going to be a group that's going to try and cheat the system by coming earlier. But what's that mean? That means you're going to have a shift of everybody going to an earlier time.

Nathan Mumm: 49:43

So that becomes a search.

Mike Gorday: 49:44

So it's going to be a moot point. Okay, so do I think it's going to work? Probably Do I want it to work? No, I think this is a really crappy thing to do to people. I don't use Wendy's, so it's not going to affect me.

Nathan Mumm: 50:00

I don't.

Mike Gorday: 50:01

I don't, I generally do not use fast food outlets for my stuff, but you know.

Nathan Mumm: 50:10

It's just the way you go to the teriyaki place and all of a sudden she's like I need a second, I need to change the price, you know.

Mike Gorday: 50:18

All right.

Nathan Mumm: 50:18

Well, let's go to our.

Mike Gorday: 50:20

They just got to keep trying to find ways of wheeling money out of people.

Nathan Mumm: 50:25

Let's go to our Nathan Nugget. This is your Nugget of the Week. All right, here's my Nathan Nugget. I got two things we're going to talk about. One Nintendo amps up an old feud in Mario vs Donkey Kong. I just got this. It's an old remake of the 2004 Game Boy Advance, essentially for Nintendo to come on up, essentially your Mario, that is, it's old school, not too much. It's all kind of within the screen itself and I am very happy to say that it is taking my time and enjoyment to play kind of an old school Mario vs Donkey Kong game. Available for the Nintendo Switch right now available.

Speaker 2: 51:07

Now speaking of games. Speaking of games though I do.

Nathan Mumm: 51:10

Speaking of that, what if, all of a sudden, you could mow down demons? Essentially, doom comes to Husq Verna's smart lawnmowers. If you've ever wanted to play Doom on a lawnmower, now you'll have your chance with a new software update is coming to the robotic line of lawnmowers this spring. The lawnmower company.

Mike Gorday: 51:31

Okay, what was that? Are you literally saying that I could mow my lawn and play Doom at the same time? Literally mow my actual lawn if I had lawn and play Doom at the same time.

Nathan Mumm: 51:45

Yeah, the legendary 1993 video game Doom will be playable on the robotic lawnmower models April this year.

Mike Gorday: 51:51

I guess they didn't get the warning about the.

Nathan Mumm: 51:54

Apple Eyewear while driving. You know what this is so amazing? Because I thought that the cup on my John Deere to hold my beer when I went out there was such a great invention that that you know that hit me as awesome.

Nathan Mumm: 52:10

You know that coming out of your mouth is the funniest thing ever, but now I'm going to be playing Doom. While I'm out there mowing my yard, my wife's going to come on out. What are you doing? How do you hang on a second? I'm at level four seven right now. I got this demon I need to kill in front of me.

Mike Gorday: 52:24

I'm ready to go. So does the thing like mow on its own? Is it an autonomous vehicle? This is essentially exactly the same problem with the Tesla.

Nathan Mumm: 52:35

So this is it. So essentially, you sit on that. Make sure it's not fully autonomous you still have to make sure that things are going but it will go down and it will map out your yard and you can sit on it as you go and then you can look like you're doing a lot of work and you can play Doom.

Mike Gorday: 52:50

That makes sense why you want to do it I know, I'm thinking all these little wavy lines all over your lawn and crashing into a telephone pole.

Nathan Mumm: 53:01

That's when you die. Of a sudden, that stops. Yeah, yeah, you have to get back out.

Mike Gorday: 53:05

If you run your mower into a ditch, that's when your character dies All right?

Nathan Mumm: 53:09

Well, you know what? Let's go to our pick of the day.

Speaker 1: 53:14

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Nathan Mumm: 53:21

All right, mark. What are we tasting again? We are tasting duck-blind hooch.

Marc Gregoire: 53:26

We are tasting Benjamin Pritchard's Sweet Lucy bourbon based liqueur. It is their best selling product from Pritchard's Distillery in Kelso, tennessee is liqueur 70 proof, $30 per bottle Sweet. Lucy, there's no secondary market on this one.

Nathan Mumm: 53:42

Sweet Lucy, what are you talking about? You guys aren't trying to pass these on your little.

Marc Gregoire: 53:46

Facebook group no, I've never seen this one there.

Nathan Mumm: 53:49

Oh man.

Mike Gorday: 53:51

This is a kind of bottle that's going to go next to that cred that I brought in. That I regretted when I bought it at QFC.

Nathan Mumm: 53:58

Okay, Are you giving this a thumbs up?

Mike Gorday: 54:00

Absolutely not. This is a double thumbs down for me.

Nathan Mumm: 54:03

Double thumbs down. I say this is a thumbs down for me also.

Marc Gregoire: 54:06

Yeah, and Odie wouldn't even try it. That's how smart she is All right. And this is not on your shelf. This is not on my shelf. It will not be on our studio shelf. It can stay in your son's apartment, okay.

Nathan Mumm: 54:17

There you go. We're going to have to get that.

Mike Gorday: 54:20

Mike, we probably won't even notice that we took it and drank it, that's probably right.

Nathan Mumm: 54:24

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