190: Taylor Swift is Navigating Deepfake's, Cybersecurity Dangers Exposed from Nick Espinosa, Elon Musk is Making the Matrix Real, and Amazon Ring's Huge Step Forward on Privacy, all of this and more. | Air Date: 1/28 - 2/3/24

Prepare to navigate the murky waters of deepfakes and the sharp edge of cyber-security breaches, as our podcast episode takes you through the ethical labyrinths of cutting-edge tech. With deepfakes ruffling feathers across industries, we delve into the implications of this technology, which can make anyone say or do anything on screen. But that's just the opening act; we also scrutinize Elon Musk's Neuralink claims and Ring's pivotal policy shift on police access to doorbell footage. And that's not all—cybersecurity expert Nick Espinosa joins us for an eye-opening discussion on the digital dangers lurking in the shadows of our government and personal devices.

Our conversation with Nick is a red alert for anyone who's ever shrugged off those pesky software updates. We dissect the disturbing ease with which hackers can breach even the most fortified digital fortresses, from Homeland Security to Microsoft's backyard. We then expose the chilling reality of online scams and how they're diverting profits from genuine creators.

As we wrap up our tech saga, we shift from the high-stakes world of cyber attacks to the tranquil, yet intricate notes of Shanks Homestead Sour Mash Whiskey. Then, we change tempo, pondering the recent cyber onslaught in Fulton County and what it means for the future of governmental cyber fortification. With an anticipatory glance at Windows 11's upcoming features, we leave you contemplating a provocative notion: should government agencies be the vanguard of cybersecurity investment, or is it a shared battlefield with private enterprises? Tune in to probe these questions and more—and to become part of the conversation that shapes our digital lives.

Episode 190: This week on TechTime with Nathan Mumm®, we'll be discussing a range of topics from the world of technology. We'll start by exploring the growing challenge of deepfakes and the lack of regulation surrounding them. Next, we'll talk about Elon Musk's Neuralink company and their recent claim of successfully implanting a wireless brain chip in a human. We'll also discuss Ring's recent decision to no longer allow police to request users' doorbell camera footage. 

Stay tuned for all this and more, only on TechTime Radio with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Humm" Technology news of the week for January 28th - February 3rd, 2024

--- [Now on Today's Show]
--- [Top Stories in Technology]

• Elon Musk says Neuralink implanted wireless brain chip - http://tinyurl.com/bddy4xj4
• Deepfakes exploiting Taylor Swift images exemplify a scourge with little oversight - http://tinyurl.com/bdf95v9p 
• Ring will no longer allow police to request users' doorbell camera footage - http://tinyurl.com/4y3npvss

--- [Pick of the Day - Whiskey Tasting Reveal]
Shenk’s Homestead Sour Mash Whiskey (2023) | 91.2 Proof | $110.00

--- [Ask the Expert - Nick Espinosa]
Nick talks about his four technology breaches, scams and hacks.

--- [This Week in Technology]
This Week in Technology: January 31, 1995 - AT&T and VLSI Protect Against Eavesdropping
 
--- [Marc's Whiskey Mumble]
Marc Gregoire's review of this week's whiskey

--- [Technology Fail of the Week]
This week’s “Technology Fail” comes to us from Fulton County, Georgia.

--- [Mike's Mesmerizing Moment brought to us by StoriCoffee®]
Question: Should government identities spend more in cyber security than private companies?

--- [Nathan Nugget]
Windows 11 Features expansion with AI

--- [Pick of the Day Whiskey Review]
Shenk’s Homestead Sour Mash Whiskey (2023) | 91.2 Proof | $110.00

Mike: Thumbs Up
Nathan: Thumbs Up

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Broadcasting Across the Nation, from the East Coast to the West, keeping you up to date on technology while enjoying a little whiskey on the side, with leading-edge topics, along with special guests to navigate technology in a segmented, stylized radio program. The information that will make you go, hmmm. Pull up a seat, raise a glass with our hosts as we spend the next hour talking about technology for the common person. Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mum.

Nathan Mumm: 0:31

Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mum, the show that makes you go hmmm. Technology News of the Week the show for the everyday person Talking about technology, broadcasting across the nation with insightful segments on subjects weeks ahead of the mainstream media. We welcome our radio audience of 35 million listeners to an hour of insightful technology news. I'm Nathan Mum, your host, a technologist with over 30 years of technology expertise. Here are our co-hosts Mike Raday, in studio today. Mike's an award-winning author and a human behavior expert. We are live streaming here on the show on five of the most popular platforms, including YouTube, twitchtv X, facebook and LinkedIn. We encourage you to visit us online at TechTimeRadiocom and become a Patreon supporter at Patreoncom or slash Tech Time Radio. We are all friends from different backgrounds, but bring the best technology show possible each week for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. So buckle up as our in-house producer Odie is back and at the control panel as we get ready to start today's show.

Speaker 1: 1:34

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm: 1:38

Today on Tech Time with Nathan Mum, we're going to be discussing a range of topics on the world of technology. We're going to start by exploring the challenges of deep fakes and the lack of regulations surrounding them. Next we take a look at Elon Musk's Neuralink company and their recent claim of successfully implanting a wireless brain chip in a human. We also discuss Ring's recent decision to no longer allow police to request users doorbell camera footage. Later in the show, we'll be joined by Nick Espinosa to discuss the major disruptions caused by cyber attacks and the sales of personal information online. In addition, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment technology fail the week and a possible Nathan nugget and, of course, our pick of the day whiskey tasting to see if our selected whiskey pick gets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. Now we're going to move right into the show and start with the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 1: 2:33

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm: 2:37

Are you ready for this, Mike? Story number one. Elon Musk says Neuralink implanted wireless brain chips in a patient over the weekend. Of course, they didn't do it during the week, they had to do it during the weekend itself. We have Tim Larson with more on the story that broke this weekend.

Speaker 3: 2:54

Tech billionaire Elon Musk has claimed his Neuralink company has successfully implanted one of its wireless brain chips in a human. In a post on X, formerly Twitter, he said promising brain activity had been detected after the procedure and the patient was recovering well. The company's goal is to connect human brains to computers to help tackle complex neurological conditions. Neuralink's first product would be called telepathy. Telepathy would enable control of your phone or computer and, through them, almost any device, just by thinking. Initial users will be those who have lost the use of their limbs. Imagine if Stephen Hawking could communicate faster than a speed typist or auctioneer. That is the goal. Back to you in the studio.

Nathan Mumm: 3:37

Alright, so we're going to talk about this Now. For the brain computer interface community, this is not the first company, that Neuralink is not the first company, so let's just be very clear on that. There is select group of companies that have done this, and Neuralink is just one of those to join the small group. But successful in evaluating a long term solution of implanting something or activity that happens in your brain and being transcribed out into computer format ones and zeros to understand what's going on with the logic itself. Now Elon Musk quote and posted, saying that it was a very adaptive and general process for the publicity that he's getting from his company. The independent verification, though, of Mr Elon Musk's claims have not been out there, nor has Neuralink provided any information about the procedure that was said to have taken place.

Mike Gorday: 4:29

So Elon has created a cyborg and we don't know anything about it.

Nathan Mumm: 4:32

And nobody's really confirming that he did it or not. Now Neuralink has been criticizing the past, reporting December of 2022, the company engaged in testing which resulted in the death of approximately 1,500 animals, including sheep, monkeys and pigs. Mr Musk's company was given permission, though, to test the chip we talked about this by the FDA in May of 2023. Now it's kind of an interesting deal to see why they decided to do this over a weekend time. They didn't make a huge announcement about it. He comes on out because he's just the media mogul right on his ex-platform, comes on out and makes the announcement and then, all of a sudden, people are talking about it. They want to learn more, they want to learn about what's going on with the patient, and then it's been completely airtight silence from all the other organizations. But what would you take of why that happens, mike?

Mike Gorday: 5:25

They're trying to moderate or mitigate spin control, I guess.

Nathan Mumm: 5:31

Do you think that Musk shouldn't have tweeted that out? Probably, and he's getting in trouble.

Mike Gorday: 5:34

You know, musk is always doing things that are very impulsive like that, and I imagine that this is one of them where he's saying things that he probably shouldn't be saying it and posting it. And posting it, considering that only in December of 2022, they were having all these problems with NeuroLink and these animal testings and then, not even a year later, they're getting FDA approval for human testing, and so now we have the first human subject for NeuroLink, even though this brain implants are not a new thing.

Nathan Mumm: 6:12

Well, it's interesting because his is pretty evasive, right. So his is like the old, literally it's like the matrix version, right?

Mike Gorday: 6:17

You literally have a device that you plug into you know we've talked about this before and you know how cringy this is to me. This is stuff that just is crazy to me. The end result is the purported end result.

Speaker 3: 6:38

Let's put it that way.

Mike Gorday: 6:38

It is something that I can see the benefits of, because if you can use these devices to increase your accessibility to life in general, yeah, and you didn't have the limbs that you can use to have. But what other nefarious things are these going to be? We're already talking about using these to think to your phone. So if you're telepathically linking to your phone, which is simply using airwaves, how many problems are we going to see with the-?

Nathan Mumm: 7:13

Just like hacking into that, hacking into that blue tooth frequency or whatever frequency.

Mike Gorday: 7:17

Yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 7:18

Because you can't use a radio frequency, because those are all FC prioritize, so you can't use any of those. So they're going to have to be using some type of either ZigBee type of deal or Bluetooth type of transmitting out to these devices which can easily be compromised.

Mike Gorday: 7:34

So this is one of the problems that I have with this is the as a species, we're not really responsible enough for these types of technologies.

Nathan Mumm: 7:44

I would have figured Elon Musk would have had this big type of deal. Where you put them in the big room, you have all the cameras around this person. You're taking a look at this guy's vitals.

Mike Gorday: 7:53

You're building this up, but clearly it was done.

Nathan Mumm: 7:56

it sounds like some back shed type of deal that no one knows about and then boom, we're going to announce that we did it.

Mike Gorday: 8:02

I'm sure there's a lot of testing that's going on behind the scenes. I would think that if Elon Musk is all so into this, that he should have been the first patient there you go.

Nathan Mumm: 8:11

That should have been Alright, let's go to story number two.

Mike Gorday: 8:13

And I don't think we're entering into an enlightened age.

Nathan Mumm: 8:16

You don't think so either? No, okay.

Mike Gorday: 8:18

I would agree with you there. I'm really it's hard to yeah never mind Alright.

Nathan Mumm: 8:24

story number two.

Mike Gorday: 8:26

Well, if you haven't heard are you a Swifty?

Nathan Mumm: 8:30

I'm not, but I'm a big Kansas City fan for the NFL team for Kansas City.

Mike Gorday: 8:36

Oh yeah, you were talking about so Travis Kalton how often do you get to hear about Taylor?

Nathan Mumm: 8:42

She's at every game now because her and the Titan are dating and-.

Mike Gorday: 8:46

Well, if you haven't heard, Taylor Swift has been the victim of a deep fake, okay, which has been very problematic, and it's one of the top stories of the last few days. The issue made headlines this week as bogus pornographic images of her reporting to show Taylor Swift on X, telegram and other social media platforms. Many of the postings were removed, but not before some of them racked up millions of view. The assault on Swift's famous image serves as a reminder of how deep fakes have become easier to make in recent years.

Mike Gorday: 9:31

A number of apps can swap a person's face onto others, media with high fidelity and the latest iterations promise to use AI to generate even more convincing images and video. Deep fakes are a growing challenge and there is little regulation behind it to mitigate it. The risk of damage from deep fakes is far ranging, from the appropriation of women's faces to make explicit videos to the use of celebrities and unapproved promotions and manipulated images in political disinformation campaigns. Okay, the risks were highlighted way back in 2017. I don't know if you remember this, but when they used a visual form of lip syncing to generate several very realistic videos of former President.

Nathan Mumm: 10:19

Barack Obama speaking Yep. I remember that.

Mike Gorday: 10:20

Remember those Yep? In the past month, visitors at YouTube, facebook and other platforms have seen video apps purporting to show Jennifer Aniston offering a so-goodest, delusional deal on Apple iPhones or laptops, rather, and last October, actor Tom Hanks warned people that an AI was using his image seemingly to sell dental insurance online. I remember that.

Nathan Mumm: 10:44

Yeah, we talked about that on the show.

Mike Gorday: 10:45

Yep, Uh. So yeah, I mean, that's just the ongoing thing that our technology is being used for to do to people.

Nathan Mumm: 10:58

We kind of talked about how to take a look at deepfakes to see if it's a deepfake right. So, first off, if someone's selling you something too good to be true, what's the old adage on that? If it's too good to be true, it probably is. Yeah, it's too good to be true, it probably is.

Mike Gorday: 11:10

Correct we talked about this before in the fact that prior to this, there's that uncanny valley where we sort of detect these sort of things naturally. But as the technology gets better and better, that valley gets smaller.

Nathan Mumm: 11:27

It does. So there's a guy that does this on TikTok and YouTube all the time and he's kind of an actor that looks like Tom Cruise, and so he'll do like Tom.

Mike Gorday: 11:37

Cruise. Oh yeah, I've seen that guy.

Nathan Mumm: 11:39

Yeah, he'll be in the back doing dishes and a bunch of other type of stuff. Pretty funny. They absolutely call it deepfake Tom Cruise. I mean that's how they tag it. So you absolutely know that you're doing it. But it is amazing what they do because they do put the image of Tom Cruise's face on the guy itself after he's done and he's got kind of the same body build and everything and it is amazingly accurate looking when you look at it, even if you do screen by screen shot on what they can do now with the AI technology on that.

Mike Gorday: 12:06

Well, one of the problems that we have is that the more and more reutilized screens for our daily consumption of things, the more and more we're going to buy into things based on what we're seeing. All right. So I think that's another aspect of this that we're not. That's really not out. There is that the deepfake may not be as convincing as other deepfakes, but because we are already activating this sort of virtual idea that we're going to see a lot more problems.

Nathan Mumm: 12:37

Okay, all right, let's go to story number three. Let's go to Karen Westlent for more on the story.

Speaker 6: 12:49

Amazon owned ring will stop allowing police departments to request doorbell camera footage from users, marking an end to a feature that has drawn criticism from privacy advocates. The company did not provide a reason for the change, but it might have to do with Amazon paying over $30 million in claims. Police have stressed that users ability to report what they see as suspicious behavior can change neighborhoods into places of constant surveillance and lead to racial profiling. Ring changed its policy in 2021 to make police requests publicly visible. Through its neighbor's app, law enforcement agencies could send private emails to ring owners who lived near an area of active investigation requesting video footage. However, even with the changes, law enforcement agencies can still access videos using a search warrant. Privacy is essential, and this change is something that is a positive step forward.

Mike Gorday: 13:45

All right, so this changes something that is a positive step forward.

Nathan Mumm: 13:49

Well, it's just kind of a positive. So there is a little bit more privacy. So what was happening before is in ring has their own application called neighbor, and in yes, I know, and I know about the neighbor app Okay.

Nathan Mumm: 14:01

So it's like a tattletale app? Right, it's totally a tattletale app. And so what was happening is police would go into an area maybe there was crime or something, specifically in the normally lower income housing areas themselves, asking for people to essentially narc on other people, then using that footage to then make decisions on if they wanted to search for a warrant, if they had information that was going on and it's been talked about for over two years now, specifically on. Is that the right thing to do? Should the police be able to contact you, mike Gorday, that you live in a certain location and there's criminal activity, and pump you up saying can you please send us all your footage you got? Can you maybe turn your camera a little bit to the north? It'd be great to see that shot of the street so that we can get more information from you. And they're taking that option away.

Mike Gorday: 14:53

Ring is taking that option away. Ring and Amazon, amazon.

Nathan Mumm: 14:56

They're taking that option Okay.

Mike Gorday: 14:59

Man up If I have a and I don't have a ring camera, but I was just telling you I need to get one Yep yep, if I don't have a ring, or if I have a ring camera and the cop Something happens in my neighborhood and my ring camera may be caught it, I can no longer give them that video unless there's a Well so you can still give it to them.

Nathan Mumm: 15:19

So it's not saying that you couldn't give it to the police department. What is saying is the current system that they had in there was actually police would know that you were a ring user. Oh, and the police department would then contact you and say hey, we know that you live in kind of a sketch neighborhood. We would like you to maybe put your ring camera a little bit out here they were.

Mike Gorday: 15:38

They were getting footage and information from Amazon.

Nathan Mumm: 15:42

They were prompting users and calling them up, and sending them emails saying, hey, I need this shot, can you do it?

Nathan Mumm: 15:47

and then, by by everybody's sure, I want to help out the cops, type of deal. They would end up doing that and instead of having that be so, you're targeting people. Now the police are gonna have to do their own investigation work before it comes up Now. I think it has nothing to do with ring or Amazon trying to be polite. I think it has to all do with that 30 billion dollars that they got 30 million or 30? Billion 30. They say 30 billion 30 million.

Mike Gorday: 16:11

Sorry, 30 million dollars that they had to pay Back now also why I can't get my deliveries on time anymore.

Nathan Mumm: 16:18

Well, maybe a ring also agreed to pay 5.8 million dollars To the Federal Trade Commission over allegations. The company led employees and contractors Access users video. So think of being a contractor on there and you have any. Have somebody that you want to go take a look at. All of a sudden you want to go pop down to Some celebrity in LA and you want to look at all their ring footage they have. You can track in and out when celebrities are coming on in. You're calling TMZ on the side. Hey, so one sews over here. I mean, they used to have the employees had the ability.

Mike Gorday: 16:51

Yeah for them to go and take a look at the amount of stuff that goes on behind.

Nathan Mumm: 16:55

Just this simple piece of technology is astounding it's also interesting 2022 ring, disclose it and hand it over 11 videos to police without notifying the users that you're due to Extendent or emergency Circumstances one of the categories that allows them to share videos without permission from the owners. Out of those 11 videos, one of those videos itself had nothing to do with the case brought up a case on somebody and then was found out that that video was Somebody completely different. So, again, this is where you're trying to kind of be ahead of the criminal activity, but that's the same type of thing that got people in trouble in the 70s and 80s when they threw people in jail.

Mike Gorday: 17:33

Well, this is this is happening. I mean, this is this is going to continue to happen and we're going to continue to see envelope pushing by investigators versus law Versus what's what's considered private.

Nathan Mumm: 17:48

Well, at least Amazon isn't selling it now only because probably got, probably because they keep getting fine baked for that's. That's exactly right, all right. Well, that ends our top technology stories of the week. When we return, we got Nick Espinoza from security fanatics back in studio.

Mike Gorday: 18:00

We're gonna, I'm sure we can we're gonna get some information about this one.

Nathan Mumm: 18:03

We're gonna talk about cybercrime, espionage, data breach on our featured segment. You're listening to tech time with Nathan mum, we'll see you after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm: 19:25

Welcome back to tech time with Nathan mum. Our show covers the weekly top technology subjects without any political agenda. We verify the facts and we do with a sense of humor, in less than 60 minutes and, of course, with little whiskey on the side. Today, mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur, joins us in studio. Mark, what are we tasting?

Marc Gregoire: 19:42

today. Well, gentlemen, today we have shanks. Homestead sour mash whiskey from 2023. Okay, okay. I mean it's just a year old. So it's no that, just they have one one year, one release a year.

Nathan Mumm: 19:56

All right, well, tell us a little bit about I like the bottle. It's got a nice little emblem on the front. It's got a cork tops. So tell us a little bit about serious. Oh yeah. I'm trying to explain what it looks like.

Marc Gregoire: 20:07

Well, let me tell you a little about from Mikter's website. Okay, thanks. As a Kentucky sour mash whiskey made with a Substantial amount of rye. The unique character of this 2023 offering results from its being produced with Malted rye in the recipe, first year that they've done that. Additionally, for its maturation, we utilize two different and quite special barrel profiles. A portion of it was aged in 18th month, naturally air dried and seasoned wood, with their signature toast and char profile, and a portion was aged in a special toasted French oak barrel that was made from 24 month air dried wood source from a region in France. And they say this is a warm and rich expression which highlights spice, fruit Nugget honey and spice chocolate.

Mike Gorday: 20:53

You know, you don't hear that very, you get, you get.

Marc Gregoire: 20:55

So whiskey to savor, complimented by highlights of smooth, spice, dried fruit and honey.

Mike Gorday: 21:01

You know, I feel like there's a conspiracy going on. Why is that? Because we sure are drinking a lot of rye whiskey.

Nathan Mumm: 21:07

Well, you know, you've turned away in my your palate has turned to liken this.

Marc Gregoire: 21:10

Mike, let me give you the specs. It is not a rye, it's not considered a rye. Okay, it's American whiskey, the mashbills unknown, but it's not high enough. It's not 51% rye, so it cannot be called rye. It's also not 51% corn, really, so it cannot be called a bourbon.

Mike Gorday: 21:27

So, yeah, I mean that's, my favorite is bourbons. Yeah, so it's a. We haven't had bourbons. Different proportion of those mashbills.

Marc Gregoire: 21:34

Now it's from, as we mentioned, mikter's distillery.

Nathan Mumm: 21:37

It's it's a bottle 411 of 2938 bottle in Louisville, kentucky.

Marc Gregoire: 21:44

Now it says bottled, not distilled, so we don't quite know where the juice is from. They could Just subcontracted that it's non-aged dated.

Mike Gorday: 21:50

It is not.

Nathan Mumm: 21:53

No, it's not anything like it's 91.2 proof.

Marc Gregoire: 21:56

The mashbills we just talked about is undisclosed. Msrp on this is 110, but you'll find it online for about 225 25, wow, wow.

Mike Gorday: 22:06

Yeah, that's not something to be on your show. Probably not.

Nathan Mumm: 22:09

All right, it's good.

Marc Gregoire: 22:10

It does taste good if you find it at the right place, 110 bucks 110 bucks.

Nathan Mumm: 22:14

What a deal. All right, I'm liking this. You know it does have that spice taste, though, can you taste?

Mike Gorday: 22:19

the new get.

Nathan Mumm: 22:20

I cannot taste enough.

Mike Gorday: 22:21

Okay or new, that's the only thing I care about. Okay, Are you?

Nathan Mumm: 22:24

gonna taste the new get. I don't taste the new. Okay, I will.

Mike Gorday: 22:26

The spicy stuff is there, though.

Marc Gregoire: 22:28

Okay. So, nathan and Mike, don't forget to remind our listeners to like and subscribe. In addition, please put a comment in there if you've had this whiskey, okay or if you have won a whiskey for us to take a look at and we'll see if we can source it.

Nathan Mumm: 22:40

You did. You got a good compliment on uh linkedin. Someone was like wanting to learn more and more about whiskey stuff.

Marc Gregoire: 22:46

There's plenty of YouTube for that. There you go.

Nathan Mumm: 22:48

Okay, all right Well with our. Whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our future segment. Today, we have our technology expert, nick espanosa, joining the show. Nick espanosa is an expert in cyber security and network infrastructure. He has consulted with clients ranging from small business to fortune 100 levels. In 1998, at the age of 19, nick founded windy city networks, which he later acquired Uh in 2015. He then created the security fanatics, where he is the chief security fanatic. Let's welcome nick to the Comcast video stream and start our next segment.

Speaker 1: 23:21

Welcome to the segment we call ask the experts With our tech time radio expert nick espanosa.

Nathan Mumm: 23:31

Hey nick, how are you doing?

Nick Espinosa : 23:33

I'm all right. I'm all right, and mike, why do you want to bug your house man?

Mike Gorday: 23:37

I don't.

Nick Espinosa : 23:38

You do not need a ring doorbell.

Mike Gorday: 23:39

I don't, but somebody is stealing my amazon packages.

Nathan Mumm: 23:43

Are you sure they're stealing your amazon packages?

Mike Gorday: 23:45

so far I I got something stolen for the first time yesterday. Okay.

Nathan Mumm: 23:50

All right, we can, we can put you know you could go and get a harbor freight camera system, and I don't want a ring camera, but you know I'm like it does alert you.

Mike Gorday: 23:59

Well, I did it, I did a test. Yeah, I bought some cheap thing off of amazon. Uh-huh to be delivered today to see if somebody is gonna.

Nathan Mumm: 24:09

Oh, steal it, steal it. Okay, there you go. All right, so there you go. Go to my gorda's house to steal as cheap as it's gone, if it's gone.

Mike Gorday: 24:15

When I get home I'm gonna have to figure out a new way of getting stuff delivered. All right, nick. Well, welcome to the show.

Nathan Mumm: 24:21

Let's talk about some breaking news here, there are so much stuff going on. Let's talk about this Three former reason to drink. That's right. Three former department of homeland security, dhs, employees Were sentenced to prison for stealing proprietary us government software and databases containing the personal data of 200,000 federal employees. How does this happen and what's going on with this story, nick?

Nick Espinosa : 24:47

So obviously it's lack of internal controls. But, like straight from the DOJ press release, pretty much from January 26, a few days ago, charles Edward Sonnell Patel and Merlis Venkata, as you mentioned, literally stole over 200,000 records from employees of Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General, as well as United States Postal Services Office of Inspector General as well. Now, as you mentioned, they also stole software and all of that, but they plan to use that stolen software and database to essentially create software that they could then sell to the government agencies. And so, as part of this, they basically disclosed that you know they stole the software and the databases containing all of this, but they decided to outsource the development of their new fancy software. They were going to sell the government to India, meaning they just dumped a whole bunch of personal identifiable information on sensitive government employees to a foreign country. And while India is an ally there, ain't that close right?

Nick Espinosa : 25:46

So well obviously a huge thing and then obviously they went through and try to delete their text messages and cover up the crime. But you know the internet and the cloud man, it knows everything.

Mike Gorday: 25:55

Is this like? Is this like stupid criminals? Remember, Remember.

Nathan Mumm: 25:58

Yeah Well, but this is still like. This is our government, and we're going to be talking about this because our government needs to either get their act up and they I'm going to talk about this.

Mike Gorday: 26:08

Everybody has to get their act up.

Nathan Mumm: 26:10

We're going to talk about this technology fail because there's a whole county where they're completely down right now and we'll talk about that later. But it is amazing that all of our government stuff they clearly don't pay a high end wage of salaries to individuals. People don't really value their jobs. But that has the most important sensitive information of anything. They should be paid very well and there should be some type of deal where I want to be a government IT person because I can protect X, Y and Z, Instead of saying I'd rather go work for the private sector because I make 3X more money?

Mike Gorday: 26:44

Yeah, but that's always going to be there. Well, I don't know. Government is not about high salaries, it's about security. Is that what it is? Yeah.

Nick Espinosa : 26:55

I mean to that point. It's also about training, but depending on the level of sensitivity of the data, you don't necessarily have to be a US citizen working for the US government. You could be a US person meaning you are residing in the United States but you're not a citizen and still be hired and contracted and gain access to this kind of stuff. Essentially, the standard is, as long as you're deemed an ethical person and you're getting trained, you're good to go and obviously you may have to pass background checks and clearances of all of that. But this is something that I think is really pervasive in the federal government right now. I mean, for God's sakes, we had like a 21-year-old kid that's in the military. How was he getting classified information so he could dump it out to all his gamer buddies on Discord last year? Yeah, we have a very serious issue with this in the government.

Nathan Mumm: 27:38

All right. Well, now we're going to go from the government to the private sector. It doesn't get much better here?

Mike Gorday: 27:42

No, it doesn't.

Nathan Mumm: 27:43

All right. Microsoft's security team recently detected an attack on their corporate system. We talked about this last week, right the midnight blizzard the midnight blizzard Yep, yeah, russian sponsored state attack. Interesting though, I want to get Nick's perspective on this. Exactly, how did this happen? And the biggest question I have is how was it that this person was in their systems for months without being detected?

Nick Espinosa : 28:05

Because apparently, intrusion detection is not a thing Microsoft is good at no offense to Microsoft, but honestly so what you're talking about is APT, or Advanced Persistent Threat number 29. Is there identified AKA Cosy Bear, aka Midnight Blizzard, aka Russian Intelligence or their cutouts by other fun names? They essentially broke into a single Microsoft mailbox. We're able to gain elevated privileges, meaning they were able to basically up, convert to more access, and then they started looking through Microsoft employee accounts. But here's the thing and this is what makes it really interesting, according to the Microsoft researchers and their disclosures is that they weren't looking to like ransom Microsoft out, or they weren't looking to basically like insert deeper infections. As far as we know, they were just looking for information on themselves. Essentially, they wanted to know what Microsoft knew about them, which I mean, makes sense.

Nick Espinosa : 28:57

Now think about this in the 2024 election, where you have a whole bunch of foreign intelligence agencies that are trying to break into congressional campaigns, senatorial campaigns, presidential campaigns. So disinformation, et cetera, et cetera. It's just name of the game right now. And so if Microsoft basically threat researchers and other researchers, threat researchers know their tactics, they'd be less effective breaking into places, right, and so that's essentially what we think they were doing was they were looking through this and saying, oh, microsoft knows this. We have to change up this tactic so we can evade what they already know about us. And for the record, cozy bear, midnight blizzard, russian intelligence, abt 29, whatever you want to call them just literally the last couple of days, hp Enterprise disclosed that they got hit by that group as well, and they also have a threat intelligence research division that's probably as big as Microsoft. So here we are. I mean, this is the world we're living in.

Mike Gorday: 29:49

So is this the kind of attack that could lead to what you were talking about previously? Were they able to find really deep information?

Nathan Mumm: 30:02

So this is what I think the new well, I don't know, nick, we'll get from you, but I think the new idea on this is to try to get information. If they have insider news or insider trading information, microsoft's going to buy this company and Microsoft's going to do that. I think that now becomes a more coveted cup of poison to gather than it is to get money.

Mike Gorday: 30:22

But he's saying that they got in there and they were looking for information from Microsoft about them to see what kind of intelligence they had on them.

Nick Espinosa : 30:30

Right, and the only reason why, if I'm breaking into an organization establishing command and control, I am trying to be as quiet as I can, I'm trying to spread out as much as I can so that I'm not going to be detected, and if I am detected on one technique, I'm going to switch it up.

Nick Espinosa : 30:44

I'm going to change the game. Now, when you're looking at basically a Russian intelligence cutout, which is essentially what they are, what they're looking for are an understanding of how their adversaries AKA Microsoft, aka other intelligence outfits that are adversarial to them, AKA other corporations that detect threat know about them so that they can change up. And so when you're looking at that specifically, as they are going for their own information on what they know, it's because they want to become better at evading threat detection technologies, whether it's from Microsoft or anybody else. And then you put that on the backdrop of what is going to be a contentious presidential election, that already we're seeing fingerprints of deep, fake artificial intelligence all over the place. This is going to be a huge problem, and so that's what we're lining up for. So the most logical conclusion right here is they're looking to be more evasive. They're looking not to be detected as they are breaking into Office 365. Right, and what is using Office 365 very frequently this year?

Nick Espinosa : 31:39

congressional campaigns editorial campaigns, presidential campaigns, you know. So here we are. I mean, that's, I think, the name of the game here All right, so now let's go to the next thing.

Nathan Mumm: 31:47

China claims it cracked Apple's AirDrops encryption to identify senders. Now this is interesting because I saw some articles I don't know if they were Apple spin articles that said that they didn't really grab all the information and they could just do some of the information. I see other articles coming on out that are saying they absolutely got the identifying senders claims of information with the encryption codes in there. So tell us what's going on on this Nick, and which one is true? Is it the Apple kind of spin where they got some of it and none of it, or is it what China is saying?

Nick Espinosa : 32:22

So this is what we know thus far and, for the record, apple people, you're just in the same boat with Android and Windows and everybody else. Don't think you're rocking Fort Knox when you're using an Apple product. We infect them all the time. But understand what the Chinese government is essentially looking for. They know that AirDrop and essentially this is basically open Bluetooth. If you've got it open on your iPhone as you're walking around, your iPhone will sense another iPhone with AirDrop open and you can send pictures and stuff like that to that iPhone. We had a rash of that here in the United States where people were sending not fully closed pictures of specific body parts to people in the vicinity.

Mike Gorday: 32:58

So think about these girl ink people, oh my.

Nick Espinosa : 33:01

God don't even like you want that imprinted in your brain, but anyway. So the Chinese authorities are looking for activists that are against the basically the communist government that China runs, and these activists were using AirDrop to distribute essentially a whole bunch of propaganda or anti government propaganda, you know, against the government, you know down with G or whatever it was. And so, by virtue of that, they first went to Apple to say, hey, you've got to shut this down, you've got to do something. Apple released an update for China that basically put the AirDrop in privacy mode by default as opposed to open, and so you could go and you could open it, and no big deal. And so that was a halfway measure.

Nick Espinosa : 33:38

But what they ended up finding out, or the Chinese intelligence figured out, is that they could use a methodology known as rainbow table attacks, essentially to figure out how to crack the pretty weak encryption you know in AirDrop. Now, for the record, airdrop is encrypted, but what it does is a broad broadcast Bluetooth that contain partial cryptographic hashes or encryption, and so, by virtue of that, they were able to use this methodology that's been around since the 80s for the record of rainbow tables, to cut down that time to attack, and they were able to expose the sender's phone number and possibly or the email address and or the email address, and so they didn't need to know all your full information. They just need to know your phone number, because it's heavily regulated in China Once you buy a phone, or your email address, which is also heavy regulated. So if that's exposed and you're sending this, you're going to jail.

Mike Gorday: 34:28

There might be some work over there.

Nathan Mumm: 34:29

Disappearances there you are All right. So last thing here. Finally, there's reports of scams on Amazon's that authors should be aware of. Now we have an author in studio. Mike wrote a book and he published it on Amazon. I got it for Christmas. I appreciate the signature on that. That was my Christmas gift. So explain to me what the scam is. In the printing scam quote unquote that is happening on Amazon.

Nick Espinosa : 34:56

Yeah, and this one is nuts. And for the record also, I co-authored a book years ago, that is, you can buy, I got to get that from you.

Nathan Mumm: 35:03

I got to get that from you too, Nick.

Nick Espinosa : 35:04

I'm not a big fan of this at all.

Nick Espinosa : 35:05

I'm not a big fan of this at all, but the example that I found in one of the articles I was reading about this was essentially AI researcher, melanie Mitchell. She wrote a book called Artificial Intelligence a Guide for Thinking Humans in 2019. And by virtue of that, she went looking on Amazon for her book when it was published and she found another book with her title that was published last September, meaning it's kind of an update. Now, that fake book is only 45 pages long and it essentially kind of mirrored what her ideas were.

Nick Espinosa : 35:36

It was clearly written by artificial intelligence, and so it lists another author that had no bio, no internet presence, anything like that, and so this is obviously a huge issue, and so they put it through a deep fake detector by a company called Reality Defender, and the detector said, yeah, this is 99% written by artificial intelligence, and the problem is there's a ton of them all Over Amazon's Kindle store, and so when you're going looking for Melanie Mitchell's book, or, you know, mike's book, whatever there could be a knockoff of there. And here's the kicker of the whole thing. Some copyright scholars say it's fine, it's actually legal, as long as it doesn't do word-for-word plagiarism. So think about cliff notes, for example. We all had to struggle and pound our heads to Shakespeare in high school so we all got cliff notes to understand what on our Shakespeare was talking 1195 down at the local pharmacy in the little yellow bus.

Mike Gorday: 36:28

The fact that you know that just very telling.

Nick Espinosa : 36:31

Exactly exactly. But that's the point, right, because cliff notes Doesn't actually copy the book. It paraphrases right and so, and so by virtue of that, that's the issue. But intellectual property experts are actually split on this because there's an obvious difference between cliff notes, which is an analysis of a book, etc. Etc. Versus just a complete ripoff and rewording of something. And the only precedent we have is from 2017, when Ping, when Random House sued authors who created a Children's book or editions of basically their titles in children's format, and essentially, the court said no, that's too close, you can't do that. And so until somebody sues somebody, I think we're in this boat. So when you're going on Amazon, you've got to make sure you're getting Melanie Mitchell's book. That's gonna be a few hundred pages long, as opposed to a 45 page knockoff make sure you're doing your homework make sure you're doing.

Nick Espinosa : 37:20

Everything's gotta do, it's gonna work. I mean, this is, this is not new.

Nathan Mumm: 37:24

I mean no, this is this.

Mike Gorday: 37:27

People steal my articles and put their name on it and put it on other web. So I have to do.

Nick Espinosa : 37:32

I With like, with my articles for Forbes, my five laws of cybersecurity. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that ripoff. But but what? What makes this unprecedented is not the fact that there are gonna be forgeries out there, it's that a artificial intelligence. At a click of a button you can say take these hundred books and rewrite them, and in seconds You've got basically a copy of all these that you're dumping out, you know, for two bucks on Amazon, making a ton of money until you're found, and then you set up shop, meaning the spam is getting worse. In fact, my daily video today is on how this is becoming Ungovernable. It's absolutely through the rules. Obituaries are another one where people are making money by ripping off obituaries. It's absolutely nuts.

Mike Gorday: 38:11

I Feel like I had a problem with this when we started the chat GPT stuff, okay.

Nathan Mumm: 38:18

Okay, nick, thank you so much for coming on the show. It's always a pleasure. Where can our listeners find out more information about you and connect with you outside of our show?

Nick Espinosa : 38:27

Sure, even likes here. Follow me on Facebook and Twitter at Nick a ESP. You can find me on YouTube at slash, nick Espinosa, and come hang out. I love engaging with people, so, all right, come say hi.

Nathan Mumm: 38:36

Hey, nick, I can't wait to have you back on again.

Nick Espinosa : 38:38

It's always an uplifting team.

Nathan Mumm: 38:39

I'm gonna go to commercial break.

Speaker 3: 38:40

I need a drink now. That's right, all right.

Nathan Mumm: 38:42

Well, that answer ask the expert with Nick Espinosa. Up next, we have this week in technology, so now would be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we're gonna be doing so during the break. You're listening to tech time radio with Nathan. Mum seen a few minutes, hey, mike. Yeah, what's up? Hey, so you know what we need that people start liking our social media page, if you like our show, If you really like us that's it.

Mike Gorday: 39:05

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Mike Gorday: 39:21

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Nathan Mumm: 39:26

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Nathan Mumm: 39:47

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Speaker 1: 40:02

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm: 40:10

Oh Right, we're gonna go all the way back to January 31st 1995 when AT&T and VLSI Come up with a technology announcement to protect against ease dropping. We're talking all about Technology right now, but did you realize that AT&T, bell laboratories and VLSI technology announced plans to develop a strategy for protecting communication devices from Eavesdroppers? Vlsi technology was an American company. The design and manufactured custom and semi custom integrated circus. Vlsi technology partnership developed strategies for protecting communication devices from ease dropping by including security chips in devices. Essentially, vsi came to the ability to actually stop and enable sending packet information Ahead and behind of each of the conversations. He had to ensure that no one was taking the information and ease dropping in your conversations themselves.

Mike Gorday: 41:08

Okay. Well, this has nothing to do with me walking behind the guy in Target who's on his cell phone.

Nathan Mumm: 41:13

No, no this was on landlines, but specifically in 1995. That was when the Internet was just taking off, right yeah. Windows 95 came on out, everybody's starting to use Netscape as your browser, a couple people using internet Buddy, yeah, and so essentially they came on up with the ability to have digital packets, which is essentially were an offshoot of what the modem was actually doing to ensure that no one other than the two people having a Conversation could have it securely, so no government could listen in on it for no individual could listen on it.

Mike Gorday: 41:45

I feel like. I feel like that really didn't do a whole lot. I don't think that they're using that now, today but that was essentially what happened then.

Nathan Mumm: 41:53

All right, Well that was.

Mike Gorday: 41:54

I feel like this is our Halloween episode, to tell you.

Nathan Mumm: 41:57

No, no, no. This is just what's going on in the technology this week. All right, well, that was this week in technology of everyone to watch some tech time history, with over 180 weekly broadcast spanning three plus years, a Video podcast and blog information. You can visit us at techtime radio comm to watch our older shows or join our tech Timers Facebook group to talk with us live all the time. We're gonna take a commercial break when we return. We have marks, whiskey, mumble reveal. We'll see you after the break.

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Speaker 1: 43:00

The segment we've been waiting all week for marks, whiskey, mumble.

Marc Gregoire: 43:09

I am back, gentlemen. All right, we're excited, I am too. I'm here to ask you today.

Speaker 3: 43:14

January last week too.

Marc Gregoire: 43:16

What? What is that January 30th? It is January 30th, okay, and today is the last, the last or not 31st.

Mike Gorday: 43:24

last last day of January, that's true, no man day oh.

Marc Gregoire: 43:30

No, no, okay it is Yodel for your neighbor's day, everybody. Oh, okay, now you do not have to be from the Swiss Alps to fill the air with the sounds of Yodeling.

Nathan Mumm: 43:40

You can be funny court.

Marc Gregoire: 43:42

Croaky or beautiful doesn't matter, for today you get to Yodel. Every year. This day encourages people to try their hand at Yodeling. It motivates them to get to know people around them better by inviting them to Yodel along. I am looking forward to hearing Nathan and Mike Mike harmonizing on their Yodeling oh.

Nathan Mumm: 44:04

They ever watch surprises right where they have the mountain climber go up.

Marc Gregoire: 44:16

You invited your neighbor Nathan, and he rejected you.

Mike Gorday: 44:19

I am sorry, I joined in. I don't Yodel, you don't Yodel.

Marc Gregoire: 44:23

No, what do you do, mike?

Mike Gorday: 44:24

Yeah, not a lot. All right, all right, let's get back to the whiskey.

Marc Gregoire: 44:30

We have a very interesting story with this whiskey.

Mike Gorday: 44:32

Oh.

Nathan Mumm: 44:37

There you go, odie. Thank you so much.

Marc Gregoire: 44:38

All right, there we go beautiful voice you have there, odie, thanks a lot for that. All right, john shank, who this whiskey was named after, was a Swiss Mennonite farmer and he probably Yodeled. Okay Now, shank produced whiskey from rye grain, a favorite local crop in Pennsylvania blue Mountain Valley, where the distillery was located. Now, according to Pennsylvania historic lore, this particular rye whiskey was so valued that, when the Revolutionary War broke out, general George Washington visited this distillery and purchased whiskey to fortify his men as they hunkered down on their camp through the long, brutal winter at Valley Forge. Wow, over 200 years later, the Mixtures Pennsylvania management would say Mixtures was the whiskey that warmed the American Revolution.

Nathan Mumm: 45:28

I like that.

Marc Gregoire: 45:29

Whoo-hoo kind of warms my heart.

Nathan Mumm: 45:31

They already got through your glass here. What are you enjoying this? Oh, he started out.

Mike Gorday: 45:37

you're like I would just say, I would just make it a commentary on the fact that you like this getting a lot of rye stuff, but you like this.

Nathan Mumm: 45:45

Oh yeah, you love this slide. Okay, All right now for me.

Marc Gregoire: 45:47

I'm generally a not a shanks fanboy. I tend to gravitate to its sister, bourbon bomb burgers. Shanks is usually fine, the very peanut forward, very similar to bookers and other Jim bean products. But this year is different. For the first time they molted the rye and it made for me a significant improvement. It mellows out the sharp points and brings all the different flavors of the rich caramel, toffee, sweet tobacco, oh, and the earthy undertone into harmony.

Nathan Mumm: 46:16

I like that. I like that a lot. You know what? Whiskey and technology. What a great pairing, just like the pairing of Kansas City Chiefs quarterback and tight end sir Patrick Mahomes, travis Kelsey.

Nick Espinosa : 46:30

Talk about Taylor.

Nathan Mumm: 46:31

No, no, I got enough Taylor. All right, let's get you talked about Taylor already, that's right, all right, let's never have enough.

Marc Gregoire: 46:37

Taylor. Okay, are you a swiftie? Oh there's a swiftie right, I can be one. I'm just not gonna bag on her for for something that's.

Nathan Mumm: 46:45

I'm just saying what you are I totally bagged on her. I didn't bag on her, I just said I like you're like I'm tired of seeing her. I'm trying to see her on the course, all right, okay, what are you gonna say, odie?

Mike Gorday: 46:55

Oh, you're just jealous because you wish you were that successful oh.

Nathan Mumm: 46:58

He just comes on screen and boom.

Mike Gorday: 47:02

Yeah nobody's making deep fakes for you.

Nathan Mumm: 47:07

Oh, you never know oh.

Marc Gregoire: 47:11

Let's get ready. Now he's making his own deep fakes.

Nathan Mumm: 47:15

Let's get ready now for our technology fail of the week, brought to you by elite executive services Technology experts to help you out of a technology fail. We are out of time. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 6: 47:27

Oh I I failed, did I yes?

Speaker 7: 47:32

did I yes.

Nathan Mumm: 47:35

Yes, all right, let's talk about this week's technology fail. It comes to us from Fulton County, Georgia.

Mike Gorday: 47:41

Woohoo, that is so not a southern accent Okay.

Nathan Mumm: 47:44

Cyber attack has impacted the Fulton County Georgia City services, whereas former president Donald Trump is currently being prosecuted and for charges of attempting to overturn the 2020 US presidential election. What we've learned is that Fulton has been struck by an Incapable incapacitating.

Nathan Mumm: 48:05

Incapacitating cyber attack and the government is still knee-capped by the attack. The juristic attorney's office prosecuting Trump's case is currently Unable to access critical systems like the internet, phones or the court systems website. According to a note on the Fulton County's website, this is kind of going back to this Public versus private company type of deal, it says, affecting Fulton County voice over IP phone systems as well as various other Online systems. Over the weekend Fulton County government learn the widespread system matters at the time. They can confirm the indentsin was a result of cybersecurity Processes, said pits.

Nathan Mumm: 48:43

This investigation has been reported to law enforcement and is currently under active investigation. Investigation is still in the early stages so we will be providing limited information at this time. Pits then added at this time we are not aware of any transfer of sensitive information about citizens or employees. We'll continue to look into this case and keep it carefully on top. Ransomware attacks are quite routine, as we know bring Capacitating governments for months. If Fulton has been impacted by one, it could take them some time for the county to fully operate again.

Mike Gorday: 49:14

We're gonna head now. I wonder if they could do a change of venue under those circumstances.

Nathan Mumm: 49:19

I don't know. It's just funny that he was listed there as those kind of the screaming headline, but it still was the whole county that's been impacted. All right, let's go now, right now, to our Nathan nugget.

Speaker 1: 49:31

This is your nugget up we got time I'll go back to.

Nathan Mumm: 49:34

I'll go back to it.

Nathan Mumm: 49:35

I got it here All right, I'm trying to get through our nugget. You're doing all right. So Windows 11 users can look forward to the 2024 season. Essentially, note pad will be coming on out with all of the new improvements of AI. Microsoft is set to transform the traditional notebook experience on Windows 11 with a new AI feature, apolly, we called co-writer. This integration brings artificial intelligence directly into the text editor, offering users a wide range of smart editing tools note pad co-writer, also equipped with drop-down menus with options for length, tone, format and instructions. This suggests a high-level customization allowing the AI to modify the text according to the user's specifications. It's now going to support USB 80 gigabits per second support. An upcoming Windows 11 update will support the latest USB 80 gigabit standard. Essentially, this is the new powered the, moving it from the 40 gigabit selection to 80 gigabits per second. All right, they also have co-pilot. Co-pilot is the new name for Microsoft's AI Chat GPT. It's going to be coming out in Windows 11 for all developers to use, and there's an enhanced sharing options where Microsoft Edge and other browsers can now leverage the Windows platforms. So take a look at all the great new excitements that Windows 11 is going to be integrating all of their AI build Coming up in the next few releases.

Nathan Mumm: 50:59

All right, we got a couple minutes. Now let's go to our Mike's mesmerizing moment. This is Mike's mesmerizing moment presented by Story coffee. Visit story coffee dot com. All right back, here's your mesmerizing moment. Should government entities spend more money in cybersecurity than private companies?

Mike Gorday: 51:23

Yes.

Nathan Mumm: 51:24

Okay, explain that. We talked a little bit about that. Why, I don't think I need to explain it. Well, I know a little bit. So you work for a government and I work for a government entity?

Mike Gorday: 51:32

Yes, and how is their IT staff? Well, it was a lot to be desired, okay. Is it getting better? It has gotten better, okay in some respects, but it has gotten worse and others. So Okay, as far as, as far as Any of this stuff is concerned, I think everybody should be figuring out this cyber stuff okay, and government agencies need need to be more Protected than I think private companies they do, so that what the solution to that is? The solution to that is to pay Top dollar quality.

Mike Gorday: 52:17

Yeah, IT people to come in and and fix this stuff, but you know that's not gonna happen though.

Nathan Mumm: 52:24

Well, I hope well, maybe it can, we can be a voice of reasoning for them, right?

Mike Gorday: 52:28

I'm sure that my, my little piece here is going to change the world. Well, I'm hoping that's that's not gonna happen.

Nathan Mumm: 52:34

It should happen, it should it should, because the private sector pays the most and they get the best security. But you really need the government sector with all the state funded Process. They have so much more money when you take a look at unallocated funds that come in for grants and that are subsidized by taxes that they need to be on top of those items?

Mike Gorday: 52:52

Yeah, they should, but the amount, the amount of of, I guess you could say, the amount of the issue here, yep needs to be something that is brought to the forefront Without compromising everything else.

Nathan Mumm: 53:09

Okay, right now, in a happy way, let's go to our pick of the day here.

Speaker 1: 53:16

And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Marc Gregoire: 53:24

All right, what do we have here? What is bubbling today is shanks homestead sour mash whiskey, released from 2023, is released from Mickters distillery. It is American whiskey, it is ninety one point two proof, and the price is a hundred and ten dollars.

Nathan Mumm: 53:39

Hundred and ten dollars thumbs up or thumbs down thumbs up, thumbs up. I give it a thumbs up. Do you have this on your shelf at home mark?

Marc Gregoire: 53:46

Well, when I grab my bottle back from you, it will be okay, okay, all right.

Nathan Mumm: 53:49

Yeah, I haven't had one before the 2023.

Marc Gregoire: 53:52

I haven't, they haven't never made it and this one definitely will make it Okay.

Nathan Mumm: 53:57

All right. Well, we are just about out of time. We want to thank our listeners for joining the program, listeners who want to hear from you. So visit techtimeradiocom, click on the, be a caller and ask us for a question on technology or a talkback Recording system. You can always stay connected by signing up for Information on our website and check out our little blog and story features. Those are additional stories that we don't carry necessarily on the air. You know it's always an honor to be the host of today's show. If you enjoyed the show, make sure you give us a five star review on whatever podcast service you may be using today. So, ending with today's show, mike, what, what is our words that we're taking away from it? Besides being depressed, you don't want to be depressed with technology. What's our Uplifting inspiration that we should go into this week with? Drink more whiskey. Drink more whiskey.

Mike Gorday: 54:45

How about that?

Nathan Mumm: 54:46

Okay, mark, thank you for being in studio.

Marc Gregoire: 54:47

You're welcome. I like that cinnamon mic. I think I would have chosen something different, but but. I love the idea of drink more whiskey.

Nathan Mumm: 54:55

Okay, well, you know, as we're about to leave, the science tomorrow starts with the technology of today. Later we'll see you guys next week.

Mike Gorday: 55:03

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