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Episode 181: Starts at 1:47

This week on TechTime with Nathan Mumm®, the show is about the Alphabet - The Alphabet Company known as Google. First, Google is deleting unused accounts this week and punishing those using ad-blockers. We have all the details on how this will affect you. Then, would you spend 1 million dollars to target illegal street racing? What is YouTube Playables, and why is this echoing Netflix and TikTok's ventures? Our monthly segment is back, "Chat about Chat," with Phil Hennessy. Tune in to hear what he has to say. 

Oops, an Nvidia employee needed to close files on his PC before sharing the screen on a video conference call, and now he is in hot water. We'll tell you about the legal consequences. 

Thank you for tuning in to Techtime Radio with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Hmmm" Technology news of the week for November 26th – December 2nd, 2023

--- [Now on Today's Show]: Starts at 4:03
--- [Top Stories in Technology]: Starts at 6:00

• Google is deleting unused accounts this week - https://tinyurl.com/4jwvhd32
• YouTube Adds 5-Second Delay to Punish Ad Blockers in All Browsers - https://tinyurl.com/yrv7f76v 
• New technology targeting illegal street racing may be on the way to Arizona. - https://tinyurl.com/54ru5d7h
• YouTube Rolls Out New Games for Premium Users - https://tinyurl.com/55ypcu7a 

--- [Pick of the Day - Whiskey Tasting Reveal]: Starts at 23:20
New Riff Malted Rye | 100 Proof | $60 MSRP

--- [Chat about Chat with Phil Hennessy]: Starts at 25:45
Today, we will talk to Phil in our “Chat about Chat” segment about the Darkweb and AI along with what FraudGPT is.

--- [This Week in Technology]: Starts at 37:44
November 28, 1948 - Polaroid Instant Camera Goes on Sale
 
--- [Marc's Whiskey Mumble]: Starts at 42:00
Marc Gregoire's review of this week's whiskey

--- [Technology Fail of the Week]: Starts at 47:48
This week’s “Technology Fail” comes to us from Nvidia staffer

--- [Mike's Mesmerizing Moment brought to us by StoriCoffee®]: Starts at 50:27
Question: If during a presentation something is shown that should not be - should you be fired?
 
--- [Pick of the Day Whiskey Review]: Starts at 54:36
New Riff Malted Rye | 100 Proof | $60 MSRP
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Mike Gorday: 0:40

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Mike Gorday: 0:45

Hashtag tech time radio. The point is yeah, if you like the, if you like our show, like and subscribe to our social media. Okay, so I think that's pretty much covers it. Like and subscribe to our social media Like us today. We need you to like us. Anything doesn't get liked a lot at home, so who's begging for everybody? Please like us. Please like us. That's right.

Nathan Mumm: 1:09

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Mike Gorday: 1:14

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Nathan Mumm: 2:31

All right, we encourage you to visit us also online at techtimeradiocom and become a Patreon supporter at patreoncom forward slash techtime radio. I'm Nathan Bum, your host, a technologist with over 30 years of technology expertise working for Fortune 500 companies across the country. Today in the studio we have our co-host, Mike Gorda, and Mark Gregoire, our whiskey techtime taster. Mike is an award-winning author originally from Arizona. Mike's a human behavior expert living in the Seattle area with a master's degree in forensic psychology. Mike's here to help me from geeking out and providing insight into human behavior and how to interact with technology, especially AI.

Speaker 3: 3:09

Mark Gregoire is our I just had to go there.

Nathan Mumm: 3:11

Mark Gregoire is our whiskey connoisseur and a senior technical executive with a 30-plus year record of establishing technology solutions. He's a skilled whiskey drinker and he's our black market go-to pick of the day whiskey expert. I call him now the black market guy. Last night he was talking about how he can get us all these whiskeys under the table prices, didn't he?

Mike Gorday: 3:33

Yeah. Yeah, we all know about Mark's secret liquor life.

Nathan Mumm: 3:38

He's got a whole little different life that he's going in, he's distributing, he's got these huge he's like a network. He's got a network of all different whiskey people. We are all friends from different backgrounds, but bring the best technology show possible. Odie is behind the board today. She's going to keep this train running on the tracks. We hope that you guys have a great time. Let's start today's show.

Mike Gorday: 4:02

Why are you laughing at that?

Speaker 6: 4:06

Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm: 4:10

All right. Today on Tech Time with Nathan Mumm, the show is all about the alphabet. When I say that, I mean the company known as Google. First, google is deleting unused accounts this week and punishing those using ad blockers. Then we have details of how this will affect you. Next, we have over a million dollars being spent to target illegal street racing. What is YouTube Playables? Have you heard of this? We're going to be talking about this. This is Echoing Netflix and TikToks Ventures into video game platforms. Youtube now is coming on out and also going to do their video game platform.

Mike Gorday: 4:46

Yeah, well, nobody can see me, but I'm making a face right now. Okay, not a good face.

Nathan Mumm: 4:50

All right. Oops, an NVIDIA employee needed to close files on his PC before sharing a screen on a video conference call, and now he's in hot water. We'll tell you about the legal consequences of having files open when you share your screen. Finally, we have some exciting news on our Nugget of the Week artificial intelligence canal ID individual geese. Stay tuned, find out more.

Mike Gorday: 5:13

Are we going to talk about the geese this time?

Nathan Mumm: 5:16

If we get to the Nathan Nugget of the Week, we will talk about the artificial ID, about the geese it's really important and it's really exciting about these two.

Mike Gorday: 5:24

You know this has been on the Nathan Nugget list for a month.

Nathan Mumm: 5:27

Well, hopefully we get to it, because there's this teacher that went on in and tried to learn about geese and then they created an application to help do it. We'll talk about that in our Nugget. And of course, we have Mike's mesmerizing moment. Our technology failed the week and, as long as time allows, all about AI geese. So sit back, raise a glass and welcome to Tech Time Radio. As always, we have our Pick of the Day whiskey tasting here in the commercial breaks. We'll see if our selected whiskey pickets zero, one or two thumbs up at the end of the show. Now let's start with the latest headlines in the world's technology.

Speaker 6: 6:00

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm: 6:05

All right, google is deleting unused accounts this week. Now is the time to save these accounts. We're going to be talking about that, but before that, we're going to go to Tom Geichen and he's going to tell us what's going on with the Alphabet Company.

Speaker 3: 6:19

Now is the time to act if you want to keep a Google account you haven't used in a while. Starting December 1st, google will start deleting inactive accounts, that is, accounts that haven't been used in at least two years. Google accounts give access to the company's other products, including Gmail, drive, docs, meet Calendar, photos and YouTube. That means emails, videos, photos, documents and any other content sitting in an inactive account are at risk. Time to log in and save the video of Uncle Bob from Thanksgiving that you posted 10 years ago Back to the guys in the studio.

Mike Gorday: 6:56

All right so let's talk about this. It might be a good thing to get rid of that video.

Nathan Mumm: 7:00

Uncle Bob video. No, the Uncle Bob video is funny. All right. So Google is going through and they're going through inactive accounts that they have. Now, people create Google accounts because they're free and this happens all the time, so this is kind of just a cleansing part of it, but I was going through my list today. I have like 15 Google accounts.

Mike Gorday: 7:16

You know, coming from you, that's not a surprise at all.

Nathan Mumm: 7:19

Okay. So I had some of them when I did some camp stuff and I posted some camp pictures, some camp videos. I had some other stuff for lots of different items that I have I've done crazy stuff.

Mike Gorday: 7:31

What if I have Google accounts that I don't remember that I have?

Nathan Mumm: 7:35

Well then, what? You should try to log into it. They'll give you an opportunity to use a previous password. It goes all the way back to four or five previous use passwords. If you're close enough, it'll ask you to send a confirmation, send it to your email and have it taken care of, but if you don't get to it by December 1st, all the information is going to be gone. Now let's talk about what's going to happen. First, though, before the deletion process happened, google users will receive multiple notifications leading up to that. Now, one of my accounts that I went to today. Essentially, I printed out the three page document that I have here in the studio, and it talked all about the account that was going to be terminated. So they.

Mike Gorday: 8:14

Oh, so that's going to tell you what account it is.

Nathan Mumm: 8:16

Yeah, so it's going to tell you if your account is going to be terminated. Now, I hadn't logged in for almost three years on this account and I said that I had two days until it was going to be taken care of, and it was great that it gave me a notice. Now, if I wouldn't log in into my account, I probably wouldn't have seen it, which is kind of their clue to delete the account itself, but you can always add an account email address or recovery email or even enable two-factor authentication to extend the life of your accounts, and you don't have to do anything after that. You do have to log into them before the end of December 1st at 5 o'clock, pacific Standard Time, and the clock takes over, and then people will start deleting those accounts. Now, the first process is to purge, essentially, accounts that were created that no one has ever used, so the company says they're going to go after those first, to delete those accounts, which would make sense. Somebody creates something they never really decided to move forward with it. The exception, though, is any account that was set up through your work, school or another organization won't automatically be deleted.

Nathan Mumm: 9:14

The policy only applies to personal accounts, so if you have a Google Gmail account through a school or a college, that account will remain active. That's a lot of colleges use Google email accounts. Your work may use a Google email account too. That'll be active Even if you haven't logged into it for a while. But your personal accounts, they're going to start disappearing. How to save your account? Very, very simple. Open up Google type in Gmail in the Google area and open up your Gmail account. You don't want to go to YouTube to open up. You don't want to go to pictures to open up. You want to go to your Gmail account, log into it. Your account will be saved Because you understand what your YouTube account has right. That includes pictures, files, anything in the Google shares that have information, any videos that you would have had posted, any important data that you may have done in a survey, or any different of their tool sets themselves. All of that will be gone and it will go to the ethers never, never land. That will never come back.

Mike Gorday: 10:16

You sure, yeah, that pause was like it's just very sad, very, very sad.

Nathan Mumm: 10:22

It's very sad. It's going to go away. All those ones and zeros are going to disappear into the ether.

Mike Gorday: 10:26

Oh so, even though nothing ever disappears from the internet, this is going to disappear from the internet.

Nathan Mumm: 10:31

Yeah, well, so Google accounts says that inactive accounts are a security measure. The Google has to spend times to regulate, which makes sense If all these accounts are just open and no one's taking care of them. They probably haven't done terms of service agreements. They probably haven't done any updates.

Mike Gorday: 10:45

How many of your 15 to 1800 accounts are you going to have wiped?

Nathan Mumm: 10:50

So I saved all 15 accounts this morning. So when this article came out, I was like oh crap. And I went into a bunch of old stuff that I haven't had, some college stuff when I coached college basketball.

Mike Gorday: 11:00

You just let some of that stuff go, man, oh no, no, I saved them all.

Nathan Mumm: 11:04

There you go. Okay, all right, story number two are you ready?

Mike Gorday: 11:07

We're going to stay on Alphabet. It doesn't matter if I'm ready or not. Well, that's right, we're going to Story 2. You're up, okay? Well, if you use YouTube, you might notice that you have a five second delay if you use ad blockers on your browsers. Okay, google has finally commented on the artificial weight that some Firefox users are encountering on YouTube. Five second delay, which is plainly visible in YouTube's code, is made to punish those who use ad blockers. It affects all browsers, not just Firefox. To support a diverse ecosystem of creators globally and allow billions to access their favorite content on YouTube, we've launched an effort to urge viewers with ad blockers enabled to allow ads on YouTube or to try YouTube premium for an ad free experience, which I'm pretty sure that's why they did it Okay.

Mike Gorday: 11:58

Users who have ad blockers installed may experience suboptimal viewing regardless of the browser they are using. Before Google commented on the story, some people speculated that the five second delay is associated with ad blocking, and they were correct. When asked about the five second delay, google explained that users who have ad blockers installed may experience suboptimal viewing regardless of the browser, and this was corroborated by Firefox, which was told 404 media that the five second delay affects all of them. As you may know, youtube has spent the last few months cracking down on ad blockers. It wants customers to subscribe to YouTube premium, which costs a weighty $13.99 a month and includes YouTube music membership.

Mike Gorday: 12:45

Presumably the five second delay is a crude way of ensuring that ads actually play. Switching a browser's user agent resolves the problem because it refreshes the web page. Youtube doesn't need to serve an advertisement after you refresh, so it doesn't enforce the five second delay. This is a pretty crude trick from Google. Ad blocking services can get around the five second delay with a simple filter, but Google is clearly hunting for new ways to discourage ad blocker usage, and a YouTube premium subscription may be worth the money if you can't tolerate these annoyances All right, so YouTube premium we're going to be talking about that because you get another bonus.

Nathan Mumm: 13:20

In just a little bit we're going to be talking about too, Well, I know it's pretty exciting. So do you use ad blockers? I used ad blockers once in the blue moon ago, and now I just don't.

Mike Gorday: 13:30

I you know that's, that's a hard, because I consider doing it, but it's just one more thing I have to pay attention to because there's always there are always finding ways around the ad blockers. There are always, and I'll tell you what. As a person in the, the today society, one of the things that I I has affected me personally is how annoyed I get at the ads. Do you get upset? Oh yeah, it's like it's. You know, it's funny, because we grew up in the. We grew up in the pre-internet days.

Nathan Mumm: 14:06

Yeah, so yeah. Yeah so we had to deal with commercials on TV.

Mike Gorday: 14:10

Yeah yeah, I used to and we were all used to it and we were all it was. It was all a way to go up and get something to drink or whatever. Yep, now I just I can't.

Nathan Mumm: 14:20

Well, now on all the streaming services, unless you're paying premium, you got commercials back again.

Mike Gorday: 14:24

Yeah it's. It's really sort of a this strong arm tactic of getting people to because it's annoying. We all get annoyed. I can't stand some of YouTube's.

Nathan Mumm: 14:37

Okay. Would you rather have an ad, or would you? Does it bother you if you're watching a YouTube video and then someone in the middle of the YouTube comes in and starts hawking for four or five minutes a product?

Mike Gorday: 14:47

Yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 14:47

What. So that actually gets me more upset than the pre the in the YouTube filters. It's when, all of a sudden, I get a commercial from the guy that I'm trying to watch, or Gala I'm trying to watch on the stream information. Yeah, when they're hawking.

Mike Gorday: 15:00

They're talking about their stuff on their on their show or whatever. That really annoys me too. But yeah, I mean, there's nothing worse than having to sit through one of those, especially one of the ones you can't skip. Yeah, that I guess they pay extra I don't know how it works, but they pay extra money so you can't skip them and they're like two or three minutes long. You're like, okay, this video is just not worth YouTube is just not worth watching right now.

Nathan Mumm: 15:26

It does YouTube. Well, we're going to continue on with the story there. So story number three we got four stories. We'll come back to the YouTube at the end. Story number three $1 million of new technology targeting illegal street racing may be coming. Now, do you this? Is you would think Florida or California would be the hotbeds for street racing?

Speaker 8: 15:45

No.

Nathan Mumm: 15:45

No. Do you know where the most significant street races in the U S take place? Yes, I do. Where's that? Arizona, that is correct. Arizona, tucson, arizona.

Speaker 3: 15:57

As a matter of fact.

Nathan Mumm: 15:58

So much so that the technology is now being set up to target illegal street racing was presented to the Tucson Arizona city council meeting last week. In the meeting, the council agreed to have Tucson police department and the attorney general's office looking to technology that could be used, including these technologies, that pan and tilt zoom camera. They're designed to cover large areas while tracking items of interest. These could be mounted on street lights, power poles or mounted to air traffic vehicles. They also have another technology called a gunshot. Yeah, we've done the story in the system.

Nathan Mumm: 16:32

Yeah, we've talked about that An automated license plate reader to capture all the plates that come into view. These are three areas that they're looking at doing that are just going above and beyond. Invasion of privacy if people are on these roads, but the cost of this per each of these devices is anywhere between $120,000 to $300,000 for these devices.

Mike Gorday: 16:57

So how did you come up with invasion of privacy?

Nathan Mumm: 16:59

Well, hang on, here's some good, here's some good concerns.

Mike Gorday: 17:02

How dangerous illegal street racing is. Well, okay.

Nathan Mumm: 17:05

So here's the concerns at the meeting that came on out is that, once implemented, could this be used to monitor not only street racing but regular commuters? Yeah, okay. So how do you feel about surveillance cameras being set up to track your vehicles on those roads in Tucson?

Mike Gorday: 17:23

Well, if I start getting presumably if I start getting tickets for doing something that I should have been able to get away with, that wasn't street racing, then I might be a little annoyed by that, okay, but now I we're arguing about some. You know why Tucson isn't a hotbed for street racing.

Nathan Mumm: 17:43

Why is that?

Mike Gorday: 17:46

Because in Arizona the streets are straight, they're long, they're a lot of them are deserted at night. Yeah, it's the prime way to.

Nathan Mumm: 17:57

Well seeing. So I was watching a video. I never knew that Tucson, arizona was the hotbed and I've seen a bunch of these videos now posted and you get like 150 cars pull up on the side of the roads. They get on out and they have like pop-up tents and they have. Djs coming on out, yeah. And then these electric vehicles are doing music raves and everything as they're street racing.

Mike Gorday: 18:18

That's kind of crazy, I don't know. There you go Well what did you know?

Nathan Mumm: 18:21

I found out. I don't know if I'd be spending a million dollars to.

Mike Gorday: 18:25

I don't know either, but obviously that's one of those areas where my disdain for some of this stuff is on the other side of the coin.

Nathan Mumm: 18:35

All right, Story number four YouTube rolls out a new gaming platform for premium users.

Mike Gorday: 18:40

Here you go YouTube.

Nathan Mumm: 18:41

Playables. Great name Echoes, Netflix and TikToks ventures into gaming. The latest battle for your attention YouTube ventured into gaming this week by rolling out a test of YouTube Playables to all premium users. So they get their ads blocked.

Mike Gorday: 18:55

Yeah, see, if YouTube wants my attention, get rid of the ads. Let me just watch YouTube videos for free. Okay, and all you have my attention.

Nathan Mumm: 19:03

Yeah, that's it All right. Now playable are small free games for mobile and desktop devices With no downloads, such as Angry Birds showdown from YouTube. Youtube is the latest video Watching platform to branch out in the gaming that experiment, now expanded to all premium users, continuing the trend with Netflix and TikToks, and last year.

Nathan Mumm: 19:23

We asked why is YouTube now deciding to get into the game division? Well, because playables, along with these other game ventures, could be a part of the game. Industry, is a hundred and ninety three billion dollars who were registered in 2021. Nearly double the revenue of the film industry at a hundred billion. So essentially you have almost double. There's no the industry for video games. Then you do for people watching movies.

Mike Gorday: 19:48

Yeah, there's no. There's no blurb in there about money grubbing and no, you want.

Nathan Mumm: 19:54

You want to put that blurb in there. I think I just did okay.

Mike Gorday: 19:57

It's just. It's just another, another form of cash grabs.

Nathan Mumm: 20:01

Well, you know what? So now's the time to sign up for premium subscribers for 1399 a month. That's right. We now have access to 30 phaser games, a 2d game framework for your desktop and mobile. The department developed by Phantom Storm. The game includes eight classics like Ball, billiards, merger, master and farmland. Youtube says premium users can provide feedback on playables, which will inform the experience on if YouTube decides to roll this out more broadly in the future. Whatever like like, so everybody's gonna have a mobile game division.

Mike Gorday: 20:36

Yeah, and, and how many of those are gonna get really used? Probably not a lot, no, I.

Nathan Mumm: 20:42

Go to steam and download it. Go to the Xbox and download or buy the third-party game itself installs.

Mike Gorday: 20:48

Yeah, game gamers have their, have their Platforms and that's what they use. Yeah, there's no market to try to compete with Nintendo.

Nathan Mumm: 20:55

I understand the market is so big that Microsoft, nintendo and Sony has, but it doesn't mean yeah, but this is what executives think hey well, if we get into that market and we just take 1% of it, that's 2 billion dollars. That would be 4 billion that we could have available to us and we could have all. So they just want these little micro.

Mike Gorday: 21:15

Areas of the market and they're like, oh, we'll make so much money, it's just money grub.

Nathan Mumm: 21:19

All right. Well, that is our top technology stories of the week. Moving on to our next segment, we have Phil Hennessy back on the show with our chat about chat segment. Yeah, and we have a Star Wars twist today.

Mike Gorday: 21:31

Oh no.

Nathan Mumm: 21:32

Oh no, we're going Star Wars, so stay tuned. You're listening to tech time with Nathan mum. We'll see you after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm: 22:43

Well, welcome back to tech time Mark's theme. Yeah, mark loves this music. This is it's lick.

Mike Gorday: 22:49

It's really funny because I'm the one that's from the west, Okay that's city slickers, billy, billy crystal. Yeah, I know, I know okay, all right.

Nathan Mumm: 22:57

Well, welcome back to tech time with Nathan mum. Tech times a weekly hour technology show. Talks about current technology in a simple format, without to geek out, brought you by myself. Nathan mum, micro day, odie behind the board and mark Greg Wow, then we are gonna have our first whiskey tasting during the break. We did, and it was amazing. But now mark.

Mike Gorday: 23:17

Which part? Which part are you at? Oh wow.

Nathan Mumm: 23:19

This is really good mark. Tell us what we are sipping in our pick of the day.

Marc Gregoire's: 23:22

We are drinking today the new riff malted rye. It's the six-year version, so it's from the new riff distillery. They are located in Newport, kentucky. It's a straight rye. It's age at least six years. It is 100 proof. It is a hundred percent a malted rye and it went for. Msrp is $60 and it has been going on the second area as high as 200, but you should see that dropping soon. They just announced last month an eight-year version coming out, so I think the the price will steady when that gets released.

Nathan Mumm: 23:53

Okay, all right. Well, what was your first? What'd you think? Mike, well, I was immediately Knew it was a rye, okay it's the burn at the very start, but it's very tasty it is, and it's like a sour mash, right? No, it's malted rye.

Marc Gregoire's: 24:08

It's a malted rye.

Nathan Mumm: 24:09

Okay, well, why does it say sour mash on the bottom of that? What does that say, sour mash?

Marc Gregoire's: 24:14

Okay.

Nathan Mumm: 24:14

All right, okay, well, we can have to explain that to me, because I think it's a sour mash.

Marc Gregoire's: 24:19

That's the bottle said right, sour mash is a way that they do for the Initial juice. Okay, it just means use a little bit of juice from before to make your new one.

Nathan Mumm: 24:32

I'll know, sour mash it when you go to Trader Joe's. You know the funny thing is.

Mike Gorday: 24:35

Is you try to talk whiskey with him? Yeah, and you know nothing about.

Nathan Mumm: 24:39

I've never said that I'm a whiskey connoisseur.

Marc Gregoire's: 24:43

Drinking already said, but you know it's a good, it's a really good question and I would like to give a more involved answer during a mark mumbles, but not today. I'll put it in a future one, because today we're talking about the malted process.

Nathan Mumm: 24:54

Okay, I had to choose one, all right. Well, so we're talking about the malted.

Marc Gregoire's: 24:57

Do sour mash another time.

Nathan Mumm: 24:58

That's a very good one, most most your most whiskies out there.

Marc Gregoire's: 25:02

Bourbons are definitely sour mashes, but they don't usually publicize.

Nathan Mumm: 25:06

All right, okay. Well, with our first whiskey tasting completed, now let's move on to a galaxy not so far away, where we have digital realms intertwined with our reality. We face a threat acting to the dark side of Star Wars. We call this the rise of AI on the dark web. Today's segment of chat about chaff ties deep into the cryptic and evolving threats. Join me and Phil, a seasoned expert in robotics and artificial intelligence, to. Together, we're gonna navigate through the murky waters of AI driven chatbots and their roles in cybercrime. Buckle up, it's gonna be an alighting journey.

Mike Gorday: 25:43

I Welcome to the AI segment, cat about cat, with our tech time guest, my favorite humanoid, mr Phil Hennessy.

Nathan Mumm: 25:54

Alright, phil. Hi Phil, welcome to the show today. How are you doing?

Phil Hennessy: 25:58

Good, good, good. Mike, I went there hard today, did you what?

Nathan Mumm: 26:03

was that? Oh okay, well, I guess what we got AI all over the place. It's going to be great, phil.

Mike Gorday: 26:12

We're doing a. Star Wars deal today instead of Star Trek, star Trek, star Trek.

Nathan Mumm: 26:15

We got some Jedi's and some evil people. We're going to be talking about tons of stuff. Phil, for our listeners not familiar with the term, can you please explain to us what the dark web is and how AI is becoming a part of it?

Phil Hennessy: 26:27

Sure, dark web is basically a hidden world of the internet. It's the underworld. It's a place that's only available through certain software and it gives an optimization to the people and makes people untraceable there. There's a lot of dark things that go on there in terms of drug dealing and a lot of other things that can go on illegally in trading of things Right now. What they're doing now is certain groups are creating chat AI bots that are not doesn't have any filters and they can basically do whatever you want them to do. We're going to talk about that today and what they have them doing, which is basically phishing, scams, malware distribution and other things that, unfortunately, the underbelly is there.

Nathan Mumm: 27:12

Okay, so let's talk. There's three webs. Let's talk about it. All right, so there's a deep web and that's like bad, bad bad, that's like that's like the Sith Lords, underbelly and everything.

Mike Gorday: 27:27

I really think you should get away from the whole dark Star Wars thing. Well, this analogy is working now.

Nathan Mumm: 27:31

Then you have the dark web. I think this is more like Darth Vader, probably clone troopers, not really the star. So this is bad, but it could be sometimes good. Darth Vader could have helped with some stuff during the Dude. You need to stop, and then we have the regular web which is all commercialized and that's like Princess Leia. So they put her in every reboot movie again. They have her as a little kid, they have her as this. So there you go. All right Now talking about the dark web here.

Mike Gorday: 28:03

Which web does Nathan exist on? Nathan goes to the dark web a lot.

Nathan Mumm: 28:07

He's kind of a Darth Vader guy. All right, interesting to find out. Tell me a little bit, phil, about fraud GPT. Now, this isn't Chad GPT, but there's a product called Fraud GPT. What is this and how is this being used by cybercrime?

Phil Hennessy: 28:21

Yeah, and the scary part is you nailed it on the head this is a product that you can buy on the dark web and actually it's a subscription service. So for 200 bucks a month or $1,700 a year is what's been published last you can get access to a AI chatbot with no filters and it basically can provide sophisticated attacks such as phishing, scamming, impersonating, spreading misinformation all these different things that helps them create content for phishing and other fake emails and websites and such Okay.

Mike Gorday: 28:54

It should be Fraud. Gpt plus.

Nathan Mumm: 28:56

Fraud, gpt plus and it comes with commercials.

Mike Gorday: 28:58

Oh yeah, and this you pay for the double premium, premium versions.

Nathan Mumm: 29:01

All right, okay, so Phil, tell me a little bit about this. Dark Bert, all right. Dark Bert is another name that often comes on up. What's the difference between dark Bert and fraud GPT?

Phil Hennessy: 29:14

Well, for every sith you have. What do we have? To have A Jedi right? So dark Bert is the is the is a chat GPT type of bot or chat bot that is trained on the dark web for all the technology that's going on out there. It's trained on it but used by cybersecurity experts to detect when there's potential threats going on on the dark web, including ransomware and phishing attacks and those types of things. So it actually can. It's it. It scours the dark web for things that are going on so and to help cybersecurity experts. So it's we're using the technology. They're using it for bad and there's other security companies now using AI to fight the bad AI. So you got AI wars again going on in the dark web.

Nathan Mumm: 29:56

All right, we got AI wars, kind of like you got the republic and they got the new order.

Mike Gorday: 30:01

You're just going to keep trying, aren't you? You keep trying, buddy, all right, so how?

Nathan Mumm: 30:07

significant is the cybersecurity threat posed by these AI chat bots. Now, chat bots didn't exist. A year ago I went back and started looking at AI and stuff. Ai did not hit until March. March is when AI we started talking about it on the show 2022. Last well, actually last, no, this year. This year, this year, in February and March is when we started really talking about AI, chat bot type of stuff. So it's really kind of funny that you'd think it's almost like two years old, but it's really only about nine months. Now we are a technology show, so we're talking about it all the time. But how is this now, in the cybersecurity aspect, causing a threat with these bots?

Phil Hennessy: 30:43

Well, the big thing is it enables iteration and speed for phishing attacks and malware and other things, right? So instead of a human doing it, now you have AI that can go ahead and help you create better phishing attacks. It also is a learning bot, right? So this didn't work. Tell me, give me something better to use the next time. So it's learning and you get higher iteration. So at that point in time, you're going to always have bypassing of traditional security, cybersecurity measures, and it's always ongoing and it's always pushing.

Nathan Mumm: 31:18

All right. What type of attacks come from these chat bots?

Phil Hennessy: 31:23

We talked a little bit to phishing, the scamming operations. Basically, you're trying to get a bad email in there, right? We've talked about phishing and scamming before, those types of things and trying to convince somebody to give you money, give them money or a account or these types of things, and they're looking so realistic. Now they're tricking more people for this.

Nathan Mumm: 31:43

So most of the chat bots on the dark web, and I know a little bit about this. I'll kind of jump in a little bit. Most of them are like secretaries, so what they do is you give them a list of emails, titles, information, and what they do is they'll go through in their AI bots when you pay for one of these services and they'll send out phishing attempts with all of these names and information, create a new email, create an email that maybe has information regarding the person itself, with the AI bots to essentially target somebody that may have a specialty and maybe I like a certain type of tea, or like a certain type of I don't know video games. It'll target those areas in itself. So that's what the AI is being used for, correct.

Phil Hennessy: 32:26

Yes, absolutely. You can do individual targeting now. You can target celebrities, all these different things. And the big thing is again, it's learning and it can keep moving. It can keep learning and providing additional content quickly.

Nathan Mumm: 32:42

All right. What measures can we take, as a listener, to mitigate any of these threats coming to us?

Phil Hennessy: 32:51

Stay off the dark side. So I mean, the big stuff from an individual is basically is be skeptical of unsolicited communication. Right, just what we talked about for the fake pictures and the videos and such like that verify the source and the credibility. So check where the email is coming from, always. Check that you know we're sure you've talked about that.

Nathan Mumm: 33:14

Click on it right, take a look at it. Don't click on it on your phone, because your phone you're going to always just see the name that they want you to do. But it'll sit down on a computer or expand that email so you can take a look at where that email address is going to. That makes sense.

Phil Hennessy: 33:27

Have your enable two factor where you can have it on and make sure you have your antivirus or any malware programs up to date and let them make sure they're getting updated. So it's really being. We talked about the on County Valley last time. These attacks are getting to the point. Where Is it fake anymore? It looks really real. Before some of these come out, you're like, ah, it's fake. Right Now it's like is it real or is it fake?

Speaker 8: 33:57

And then they're really close.

Nathan Mumm: 33:58

All right. So I'm sure you've heard that, Mike, talking about the ethical concerns regarding the development of what we see with AI. What are some processes that can be put into the communities out there to help us to be a little bit more ethical about what we're trying to do here?

Phil Hennessy: 34:16

I think the big thing is, technology is going really fast for legislation and it's really hard to keep up. I mean, that's a huge challenge right now, so we need to have a good regulatory environment and a good legal framework that allows people to allow us to be able to punish what's happening, as well as in giving a good framework and regulatory environment so that we can innovate AI for good, basically. So there's a lot of technologies going so fast that I think the lawmaking bodies and the regulatory bodies are struggling how to keep up, and so we need to figure out a way to get that moving as faster as well.

Nathan Mumm: 34:56

All right, final closing comment here what is one practical application that everybody can do to make sure that they don't get hit by one of these AI bots on the dark web trying to trick them in for the holiday season?

Phil Hennessy: 35:09

I think it's what we talked about is it doesn't feel right. It's probably not right. And then what we just talked about check the email on your computer and see if it's from a legit source. A lot of times they come in. I'll still check it like yeah, that's fake, it's a bad email, but there's not, it's. They're getting pretty darn good. It's quite scary. I've seen someone come through. It's. You know myself personally.

Nathan Mumm: 35:34

You know my personal email, so yeah they're definitely doing it and they're spelling names right now. I mean, I'll just tell you, the one thing that makes it easy is you can. Your grammar now has been greatly increased.

Mike Gorday: 35:44

Yeah, that's because. That's because one of the issues that I have with the AI system is that I think it was in 2020. All the features of the chatbot algorithms and functions operate at above normal human intelligence and that's why this is such a concern, because it's operating at a level that the average human being cannot. There you go.

Nathan Mumm: 36:12

All right. Well, phil, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. I'm sure that we'll have more to talk about next month on our chat, about chat with.

Mike Gorday: 36:19

Phil Hennessy. Yeah, I can't wait yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 36:22

Thank you so much. We'll talk to you later.

Phil Hennessy: 36:23

Bye Phil.

Nathan Mumm: 36:25

All right, that ends our segment. Chat about chat with Phil Hennessy. Up next we have this week in technology, so now be a great time to enjoy a little whiskey on the side, as we will be doing so during the break. You're listening to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm. See you in a few minutes. Hey, mike, what's up? Hey, so you know what.

Mike Gorday: 36:41

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Nathan Mumm: 36:58

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Speaker 6: 37:45

And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm: 37:51

All right, we go to November 28, 1948. 1948. I cannot believe it's this long ago. Do you realize the Polaroid Insta Camera goes on sale? That's when the very first one.

Nathan Mumm: 38:03

Just in time for Christmas shopping season, 57 units of the first commercial instant camera, the Polaroid Land Camera Model 95, went on sale at the Jordan Marsh Department Store in Boston, producing photographs in about one minute. The Model 95 became a hit almost as quickly as possible as you can pull out that film. Polaroid believed that 57 units would be enough to last through Christmas. All 57 units in the film available on that day were sold before the end of the night. It was simply too good to be used.

Nathan Mumm: 38:36

The portable and instant gratification that came from the self-developing film made the camera the most popular camera of all time. The name Land came from the camera's inventor, edwin H Land, who was also the company's founder. Nearly 1 million Model 95s were produced, setting the stage for Polaroid's flagship product line, making the company's name synonymous with the instant film and the cameras that they used back then. True black and white instant film was released in the 1950s, but Polaroid didn't create color film until 1963. Polaroid produces their instant film cameras until 2008, but recent resurgence among Generation Z has made this the go-to gift for the holiday season.

Mike Gorday: 39:18

Yeah, your son has one.

Nathan Mumm: 39:19

Yes, I mean this is kind of the big rage again. Now to take Polaroids.

Mike Gorday: 39:24

It's funny watching kids use Polaroids and be all excited about it.

Nathan Mumm: 39:30

Isn't it really? Because we're just kind of used to it, you're welcome, you get it taken care of and you did this and now, it's not the phone. It's not the phone that you want anymore. Now you want that instant gratification.

Mike Gorday: 39:42

I know he was taking all kinds of pictures at the fourth. Was that last year?

Nathan Mumm: 39:47

Oh, it was this year. Yeah, all right, odie, do you have a Polaroid phone? Yeah. Yeah, do you like it? Yeah, I love it, it's cute. It's like the hot item.

Ody: 39:56

Also it's something that I've taken it when I go and visit family in another country. You know, that way I'm not using my phone and we're just in the moment kind of just taking the picture and then we're all cutesy looking at the photo.

Mike Gorday: 40:12

Yep, that's how life used to be.

Nathan Mumm: 40:13

And they get to have it Exactly so all the way back to 1948.

Mike Gorday: 40:18

I can't wait for you guys to get interested in the rotary phone again.

Ody: 40:20

That's right. They are bringing that kind of back. I know it's starting. I know All the rest of the stuff I'm going to laugh a lot People.

Nathan Mumm: 40:28

you know my generation, we hated that crap.

Mike Gorday: 40:30

When we were kids, we were like this is like, this is cool Phone phones are coming back, but is it cables coming back?

Nathan Mumm: 40:36

Yeah. It's all just a big circle. It's a big circle.

Mike Gorday: 40:40

Yeah, that's right.

Nathan Mumm: 40:41

Gen Z just wants all the things that. Gen X had. I think it's cool. All right, I'll meet you, all right. Well, that was this week in technology.

Mike Gorday: 40:46

Maybe they'll get rid of the internet. We don't have to worry about you. We don't have to worry about you anymore.

Nathan Mumm: 40:50

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Speaker 6: 42:03

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Nathan Mumm: 42:14

Alright, mark. Now I did some research. There's two days today. There's two days today. I'm going to take a guess, alright, so today is Giving Tuesday, which is hashtag Giving Tuesday.

Marc Gregoire's: 42:25

Everybody knows about that with all the emails spam they're getting, and it's Red Planet.

Nathan Mumm: 42:29

Day.

Marc Gregoire's: 42:30

Ah, good one, we're doing Red Planet Day today, are you serious? There wasn't a lot for today, okay, okay look at that.

Nathan Mumm: 42:37

My job is, when I prepped for the show, to figure out what the day is. I love it. Do some research and see if I got it. I had no clue. Okay, tell us.

Marc Gregoire's: 42:45

I thought maybe you got it because when you looked at the bottle and you saw the red writing, on there, red on it.

Mike Gorday: 42:50

Oh.

Phil Hennessy: 42:51

I did.

Nathan Mumm: 42:51

Okay tell us, did you?

Mike Gorday: 42:53

just hear him talking about Star Wars and what we were talking about earlier.

Nathan Mumm: 42:58

He doesn't connect things like that. It could be an Imperial Guard. Is that what the Red Guards?

Mike Gorday: 43:03

are, oh my God, yeah, aren't they Imperial Guards? You're just not going to give up on that.

Ody: 43:07

Oh, okay, here you go. So, mark, what's new with? This Alright, sorry.

Marc Gregoire's: 43:11

Well, let me tell you, Odie, about Red Planet Day. So Red Planet Day, for those that did not look it up out there, it recognizes the planet which has captivated human observers for countless years, which is Odie Mars.

Nathan Mumm: 43:26

Oh, okay, thank you.

Mike Gorday: 43:27

Nathan Let me just Seriously.

Marc Gregoire's: 43:30

Good job, nathan, every clap, sorry You're like I'm pretty excited about this.

Nathan Mumm: 43:34

I feel like that kid, that like hangs out on the front row and raises his hand for every question.

Marc Gregoire's: 43:38

I got it teacher Now for centuries. Mars you can actually see with the naked eye at some times and it has a reddish tinge of the solar system's fourth planet in the night light. Now, little did scientists know back then, but the red on Mars surface comes from a preponderance of iron oxide, which is common rust. So on the Red Planet Day we celebrate our fascination with Mars and all the scientific advancements to understanding this dusty planet.

Nathan Mumm: 44:04

By drinking a rusty rye. Now, do you have Netflix? I do. Have you ever seen the series the Unexplained with William Shatner?

Marc Gregoire's: 44:12

No no.

Nathan Mumm: 44:13

It's on season two.

Marc Gregoire's: 44:15

No, I did. In search of that was Leonard Nimoy, way back in the 70s. Oh my God, okay, you're hating yourself, okay so?

Nathan Mumm: 44:20

there's a Netflix series called the Unexplained. I watch this every night and they just finished the whole Red Planet about Mars, where they actually believe Mars meteorite stuff came to Earth and it's helped us do a. So you need to watch Netflix. The Unexplained with William Shatner Mars episode, season two, episode four. All right, there you go.

Mike Gorday: 44:40

Sorry, we'll get right on that.

Nathan Mumm: 44:43

All right.

Marc Gregoire's: 44:43

Odie, we are drinking new rye of straight-multed rye today. Now this is made for 100% malted rye grain, which is quite rare even in today's craft distilling scene. Malted rye is a rye grain that has undergone the process of molting, during which the grain is moistened and begins to germinate, creating enzymes in the seed that actually convert the starches in that seed to sugar. Nearly any grain can be malted, though barley is by far, far the most common. Now that process alters and arguably improves and refines its flavors, and that's why they molt in a lot of the whiskeys. Now what exactly happens here is this typical spice flavor of rye becomes polished, refined and settled so that you get a little bit of a different rye flavoring on it. You still get some of the spice, but when they first were doing it, they thought it was going to be really heavy, heavy spice, and they found it became a little bit more elegant. Now I picked up this bottle from I'll put it in quotes a friend.

Nathan Mumm: 45:48

Yeah, you're a little underground secret group, secret liquor network. So, anybody in the world. If you just want to contact a host at techtimeradiocom and want to find the underground seediness of whiskeys, let me know there's no seediness.

Marc Gregoire's: 46:02

It was this great guy, so I picked this up because I want to do a little experimentation. Okay, so we've discussed before. I'm not a fan of whiskeys with a high barley content, so if they usually have about 15% or more, whatever the barley flavor is, it's not for me. But most barley, as we just talked about, is molted. Now I have had high barley whisky that has not been molted still don't care for it but I didn't know if I liked the molted portion or not. So I went and searching for a bottle that was a molted grain, that was not barley, and this is what I found. Now, in case you're wondering, yes, I do enjoy this, oh good, and what the malting did to it. So I've been very, very happy with this. This is $60 bottle.

Marc Gregoire's: 46:44

Yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 46:46

Is that on the open market, or do you have to find that kind of?

Marc Gregoire's: 46:49

Well, open market. Generally this goes for up to $200. I think the average price has been about $100. The guy had just opened it and drank a little bit just to try it. It wasn't his jam, so actually I got it for less than MSRP for almost a full bottle.

Nathan Mumm: 47:05

That's great, that's really good. All right, mark, thanks for that mumble. As always whisky and technology. What a great pairing, just like the pairing of turkey sandwiches with cranberry juice after Thanksgiving.

Mike Gorday: 47:16

I think it's over, don't you?

Nathan Mumm: 47:18

like your turkey sandwich. After you have your turkey a couple days later.

Mike Gorday: 47:23

I don't put cranberry juice on it. You don't put cranberry juice on it.

Marc Gregoire's: 47:27

No, oh, I see what you're saying. Now I do disagree with Mike. I love cranberry and turkey, Okay there you go.

Nathan Mumm: 47:34

Sorry, that's my jam. Let's get ready for our.

Mike Gorday: 47:36

Do you pair it in the?

Nathan Mumm: 47:38

way that Nathan pairs the sandwich. Yeah, yeah he does.

Phil Hennessy: 47:43

All right, let's move on to our technology build.

Speaker 3: 47:46

Congratulations, you're a failure.

Speaker 6: 47:49

Oh, I failed. Did I, yes, did.

Marc Gregoire's: 47:53

I yes, did.

Speaker 8: 47:53

I.

Marc Gregoire's: 47:53

Yes, all right.

Nathan Mumm: 47:59

Talking about, this week's technology fail comes to us this week from NVIDIA. That's a video conference goes wrong. Now there's a rule for video calls at work Close all the files you don't want others to see before sharing your screen.

Mike Gorday: 48:13

Yeah, and don't stand up with pants off.

Nathan Mumm: 48:15

Those are both very good areas to have Now. According to a lawsuit filed against tech giant, nvidia, senior staff member Mohamed Monserri Aimen made this error with a disastrous consequence. He was given an online presentation to a team from his former employee from the car technology firm VALIO. But of course, valio claims that he accidentally displayed a file proving that he stole tech secrets. The tech that the VALIO claims he took this was a source code behind its parking and driving assistant software, an area NVIDIA has been trying to expand into. So Brazen was a theft, to complain, alleged.

Nathan Mumm: 49:04

The file path on the screen still reads. Valio docs suggested it was a folder specifically containing documents taken from the company itself. Valio claims gigabytes of data was taken in 2021 when he was working for the German arm of the French firm. He left and joined NVIDIA later that year. In a letter written to NVIDIA lawyers submitted with the lawsuit, he said the tech giant was not aware that the data had been removed from the company.

Nathan Mumm: 49:33

Valio claims that the information was in a slide presentation. When it was minimized, the app he was using showed essentially the screen share shot of the files themselves containing the source code behind his proprietary software. Valio participants on the video conference call, immediately recognized the source code and took a screenshot before the user was alerted of his error, and then he closed his screen. Now let's talk a little bit about this. Essentially, then the German police come and knock down this guy's door. Essentially, he admits to stealing software and using the software will employed in NVIDIA. The lawsuit claims you know what, before we move anywhere, we're going to go to Mike's mesmerizing moment, because I got a question I want to ask you directly, mike. This is Mike's mesmerizing moment, presented by StoryCoffee. Visit StoryCoffeecom.

Nathan Mumm: 50:37

All right, so we're asking about this Really yeah, we're asking, I want to ask you directly regarding this. Mr Monir Rassaman. Mr Monir Rassaman. Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, so him, yeah, he gets. He essentially goes to jail. Should people get fired for showing something in a presentation that they should not have on their computer?

Mike Gorday: 51:02

Well, you know, clearly that has degrees of suspicion. Okay, right, if you, if you were to show some you know inappropriate pictures while you're giving a presentation, yeah, maybe not. Maybe you should get, you know, a little slap on the wrist or talk to about what you're doing. Okay, if you're just playing outright industrial espionage on your on your thing, then yeah, maybe you said you see, you take care.

Speaker 3: 51:30

Yeah, you know yeah.

Mike Gorday: 51:31

If you're if you're stealing, if you're stealing information from a company, did he used to work for it?

Nathan Mumm: 51:36

Yeah, so he used to work for the company. Yeah, that's, and this was the code that NVIDIA essentially hired him for, probably.

Mike Gorday: 51:41

Yeah Well, he stole proprietary information from Vallejo and he had it on his computer screen.

Nathan Mumm: 51:47

He had it on his screen during the presentation.

Mike Gorday: 51:49

He got caught. I think that's the least of his worries.

Speaker 3: 51:53

And, yes, I think he should be fired.

Nathan Mumm: 51:54

He was a senior member of.

Mike Gorday: 51:56

NVIDIA. I don't think there should be any sort of distinction about whether or not this person should be fired. Okay, you know. And now if it was his girlfriend in a bikini or his boyfriend in a bikini, or whatever it was, you know that might be. That might be a case where a supervisor pulls him aside and is like hey, you need to be more careful what you show on your presentations.

Nathan Mumm: 52:17

But today's world, but in this real lesbian eyes. You know that's. You do figure in today's world. People need to understand how to do video conferencing. During COVID, we all figured out how to do video conferencing right. I mean, you got the mute button, you got the camera button, these things are still these.

Mike Gorday: 52:33

These are all things that when technology does not work well with human behavior. This guy was probably not thinking about it, he was. He may have been using it for a reference, or he may have been like playing around with it or something. And we don't consciously, we don't consciously look at these things and say, oh, that might be shown on my computer. Or oh, yeah, that's like when I'm sharing stuff on a zoom call, call, yep, and I need to switch over to something else. Yeah, does that get shown? I don't know, because I'm not viewing.

Nathan Mumm: 53:14

I'm not viewing the page. Well, you, only. You should only share out your screen, right? Just share it on a screen. You should have a screen. In today's world, if you learn nothing else, you should make sure that you know that. Have one of your screens set up to share for presentations.

Mike Gorday: 53:28

Well, this is an area this is an area where we don't have immediate feedback. We don't have any immediate feedback. So if I'm sharing something and I X out of what I'm sharing, does it automatically share something else because it's looking for something on the screen? I don't know that, because I'm not viewing it. I'm not in the participant's viewpoint seeing seeing what's showing on my screen. So it's. It's a way where I'm doing something where I'm not getting feedback that something that I'm doing is being viewed by other people.

Nathan Mumm: 53:57

Okay, All right, all right. Well, let's move on to our next subject.

Mike Gorday: 54:01

Here, I think we're going to be able to do the geese today.

Nathan Mumm: 54:04

I don't know. Do we have enough time to do our Nathan nugget? Let's do our Nathan nugget. This is your nugget of the week, All right? Artificial intelligence can now ID individual geese A few. Oh, there's only a minute left. Oh, so a few years ago an interview became. What's this about Australia we're going to have?

Mike Gorday: 54:27

to talk about this next week here. So here we go. All right, the nugget of the day is we don't have time, we don't, you know?

Nathan Mumm: 54:32

it talks about how AI is created. Because this person need to have this. Let's move to our pick of the day. Thank you, Nathan.

Speaker 6: 54:39

We'll get my story in there one day Now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings, all right. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Marc Gregoire's: 54:47

What we're drinking today is the new Riff Malted Rye, Six Years. On the palette, you get elegant spices, saltwater, taffy fruits, cloves and an interested toasty multi-note finishing with clove and pink peppercorn All right, I'm giving this absolutely a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm: 55:01

What are you giving this, Mike? You know.

Mike Gorday: 55:03

I'm going to give it a thumbs down, wow.

Nathan Mumm: 55:06

Okay, what do?

Mike Gorday: 55:06

you think. It is only because of the rye burn at the very front. Everything else is delicious. What do you give?

Nathan Mumm: 55:12

it. Oh, it's thumbs up for me. All right, Remember the technology of tomorrow starts Geese with today.

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