180: The Sam Altman Saga, Elon Musk's X, and United Health's AI bot is our "Fail of the Week." Guest Robert Plotkin from BLueShiftIP shares in our "MythBusters Thanksgiving Episode," sipping Elijah Craig 18 Year, Single Barrel | Air Date: 11/19 - 11/25/23

We're cracking open the Pandora's box of AI and tech, exploring the stormy departure of Sam Altman from OpenAI and his potential move to Microsoft. Our guest, Robert Plotkin, co-founder of Blue ShiftIP, casts a new light on the fears around AI replacing authors, artists, and inventors. Rather than replace, he argues, AI will enhance skills and intensify competition. Feel the pressure rise as we venture into the need for individuals to adapt and upskill in a world increasingly dominated by AI.

Disney, Comcast, and Apple are shaking up the social media landscape, leaving platform X due to anti-Semitic content. We're also dissecting Elon Musk's divisive tweets and shedding light on the satirical commentary of the latest South Park episode.  Stick around as we switch gears to discuss the success of Nintendo's Wii and its impact on the gaming market.

Last but not least, trust your palates to our resident whiskey aficionado, Marc, as he shares his experience with Elijah Craig's 18-year bourbon. Discover how this particular whiskey measures up in quality and whether its high price point merits a place in your liquor cabinet. So raise your glass, and welcome to TechTime Radio with your Host Nathan Mumm.

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This week on TechTime with Nathan Mumm®, the show is packed with exciting topics to keep you on the edge of your seat. We'll be discussing the Sam Altman Saga with a complete timeline and the impact this has on AI for the future, Elon Musk's X, and AI that can detect individual geese. We'll also explore why a company using AI hits our technology fail of the week. Then, Guest Robert Plotkin from BLueShiftIP, who recently authored an article for Inc. Magazine titled "Patent Law Isn't Ready for AI," will join the show to help us bust some AI misconceptions. We have a special "Myth Busters Thanksgiving Episode," So sit back, raise a glass, and welcome to a ThankFul TechTimeRadio.

Tune into our live show on TechTimeRadio.com with Nathan Mumm, the show that makes you go "Hmmm" Technology news of the week for November 19th – 25th, 2023
 
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• A Deep dive into Sam Altman Saga as Microsoft might have just pulled the most significant coup in Technology. - https://tinyurl.com/mszev9rw
• Disney, Comcast and Apple join advertiser exodus from Elon Musk's X over antisemitism - https://tinyurl.com/bdfyx7pu

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Elijah Craig 18 Year - Single Barrel | 90 Proof| $160 MSRP

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Robert Plotkin, one of the co-founders of BlueShiftIP, He is going to be helping us with our Myth-Busters Thanksgiving Special

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November 19, 2006 Nintendo Releases Wii

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Marc Gregoire's review of this week's whiskey

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This week’s “Technology Fail” comes to us from UnitedHealth as it uses an AI model with 90% error rate to deny care.

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Question: Does peer pressure cause us to by phones?
 
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Elijah Craig 18 Year - Single Barrel | 90 Proof| $160 MSRP
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Nathan Mumm: 2:15

I'm Nathan, your host, a technologist with over 30 years of technology expertise working for fortune 500 companies across the country. Today in studio, we have with me a co-host, microday, and mark Gregoire, a whiskey tech time taster, and Odie behind the board. Now Mike is an award-winning author originally from Arizona. Mike is a human behavior expert living in the Seattle area with a master's degree in forensic psychology. Mike is here to help me Keep from geeking out and providing insight into human behavior and how it interacts with technology. Mark Gregoire, a whiskey connoisseur, is a senior technical executive with a 30-year record of establishing technology solutions, but he is our skilled whiskey drinker and our go-to pick of the day expert. We are friends from different backgrounds, but bring the best technology show possible every week for our family, friends and fans to enjoy. Welcome everyone. Let's start today's show now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm: 3:14

Today on tech time with Nathan mum. Welcome to tech time radio. This is gonna be an action packed show. Today, as we keep you on the edge of your seat, you're gonna be discussing Sam Altman saga. I just checked it before we came on the air, cuz this thing is. This is a Hollywood made for TV. Netflix drama series.

Mike Gorday: 3:32

This is. This is a Nathan lifetime series.

Nathan Mumm: 3:35

Oh, this is perfect. This is absolutely. I'd watch it over and over and over again. All right, we're gonna be talking about all the things that are going on in AI for his future. We're also gonna be talking about Leon Elon Musk's ex. What's going on in his future with his advertisers? And can AI Detect individual geese? We may get to a story that mark through in there, so we'll see if that happens. Today also, we are exploring why a company's geese that is correct.

Nathan Mumm: 4:01

Oh the bird geese. Yes, marksman, trying to get the story in, if we have enough time, at the end of the Nathan nugget. I'm gonna talk about this as on the end of my deal, so we'll see if we get to this and or we made this.

Mike Gorday: 4:12

You know it, Detective individual goose.

Nathan Mumm: 4:15

That's right. We have Robert Plotkin from blue shift IP. He's a recent author in the article of ink magazine titled patent law isn't ready for AI. He's gonna be joining the show and help us bust some AI misconceptions. We have a special myth busters Thanksgiving episode to be thankful about. In addition, of course, we have our standard features, including Mike's mesmerizing moment technology fail the week in the Nathan Nugget. So sit back, raise a glass. Welcome To a thankful tech time radio. As always, we talked about our pick of the day. Mike will either give it a thumbs up, thumbs down. I'll give it a thumbs up, thumbs down.

Mike Gorday: 4:52

It's a lige of Craig, so I'm probably gonna give it a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm: 4:55

Yeah, I may be on the thumb I think we give every little lige of Craig.

Mike Gorday: 4:58

have we thumbs up?

Nathan Mumm: 4:59

Okay. Well, we're gonna go through that. I'm sure we're gonna have Mark's mumble. We'll see what special day it is today with the whiskey. You never know what that's gonna be.

Mike Gorday: 5:08

But now Elijah Craig day. Is it goose day? Oh, it could be goose day.

Nathan Mumm: 5:13

Ah, it could be all right Now. It's time, though, for the latest headlines in the world of technology.

Speaker 3: 5:19

Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm: 5:24

All right. Story number one open AI fails, just as the Roman Empire did to the goss and 410. Ad. That's when Roman Empire came down. Essentially, the people inside Rome Went against its leaders and said we don't want to be a part of Rome anymore, and essentially that is our story we have going on today.

Mike Gorday: 5:44

Is that how you're going to compare what happened to your hero? Well, you know the Roman Empire.

Nathan Mumm: 5:48

We're gonna talk about a deep dive, looking to Sam Altman saga. It's not that simple and did Microsoft just pull up the greatest coup of all time in technology? Nobody, we're gonna be talking, I got all the information.

Mike Gorday: 6:00

Man I have been digging I know you're gonna be talking non-stop about this. Oh, all, right, now I'll know about your bromance with Sam yeah, I know I like him.

Speaker 5: 6:09

all right, let's go to Tom Geichen for more on the story open AI CEO, sam Altman lands new job at Microsoft after surprise firing. Last week, open AI's board of directors Unexpectedly fired the company CEO, sam Altman. The board cryptically announced that Altman was not consistently candid in his Communications with the board, hindering its ability to exercise its responsibilities. Within hours, greg Brockman, the president of open AI, was also removed from the board, along with three senior researchers. Brockman later resigned from the company. Then, on the 20th of November, satya Nadella, the managing director of Microsoft, announced on Twitter that Altman and Brockman would be starting a new venture. We're extremely excited to share the news that Sam Altman and Greg Brockman, together with colleagues, will join Microsoft to lead a new advanced AI research team. So before you go carving up that turkey, nathan, we need you to give us the inside scoop from your former employer and explain what happened to the founder of chat GPT. Back to the three-headed brain trust in the studio.

Mike Gorday: 7:19

All right, you had a brain trust.

Nathan Mumm: 7:21

That's the most known. That mark was gonna be here, all right, so let's talk about what we have going on. So, first off, we're gonna talk about a timeline. So I actually broke down every news article that was out there to talk about, essentially, what is going on with. Microsoft may be getting the best black Friday deal ever. Essentially, sam Altman and Greg Brockman, who have been the leaders of open AI, have been fired by the company. We're gonna go through exactly what happens. They have been removed from the company. Well, one was let go and the other one decided to quit.

Mike Gorday: 7:54

Microsoft has decided after, after he was after he was demoted.

Nathan Mumm: 7:58

We're gonna go through the timeline after the. After he was demoted and no longer a part of open AI, microsoft Essentially said that you can come work for us and we're gonna end up opening a 600 person division. It's really important the number that they announced 600 person division of AI that will work here at Microsoft. Now, if this happens, on what's going on with Sam Altman essentially Microsoft is going to get to purchase and buy a company for free because everybody's gonna quit. So let's go through here and Breakdown now Sam Altman for everybody that doesn't know, he's the creator that. He's the main leader. He's Been talked about on the show many times. He speaks for Congress regarding AI. He is kind of considered the national speaker of AI. He's kind of the golden boy for this.

Nathan Mumm: 8:48

So November 16th, sam essentially gets a call from a board member, says that he wants to have a one-on-one meeting with him and he wants to talk with him and they schedule a Friday noon phone call.

Nathan Mumm: 8:59

This happens on November 16th. Essentially, miri Adi was told that Altman is going to be fired, miri and Miri Adi is open AI's CTO and will essentially become the interim CEO when they fire Altman, and she found out about that on Thursday night, november 17th, brockman essentially is gonna be who is the president of the company Essentially gets a text from a board member that says shortly afternoon on Friday he they need to have a quick call. After sending a Google Meet link Brockman, so they don't even use their own internal video conferencing but just a standard Google Meet link, brockman was told that he was being removed from the board of Essentially open AI chat GPT's company, but that he was vital to the company when we retain his role as president and that Altman was going to be fired. Altman essentially was fired with a public announcement. Open AI published a post on his blog announcing the executive shake-up. The company's management team was then made Aware shortly after essentially this posting was announced from the board directors.

Nathan Mumm: 10:11

Then they have an open AI all hands meeting, which is essentially a meeting within all the company for everybody to attend. Essentially, they talk about defending the firing process. He's dismissive and essentially suggests that Altman amounted to Essentially a hostile takeover. But it was because Altman would no longer talk to the board and give them information and the board members got jealous and mad. We're gonna talk a little bit about why that happened. Then Microsoft releases a statement, as Sadia Nadala, the CEO of Microsoft, says that they're making a major investment in partnering With open AI. This all on November 17th. I and they will continue to work with AI even after Altman's firing. Now, essentially, microsoft comes on out says they have a long-term agreement with OpenAI. We have full access to everything we need. We believe in the process and they believed in the new management that would take over, essentially for some, for Sam Altman's firing.

Nathan Mumm: 11:10

Now Brockman all of a sudden starts. The president starts doing some research. He decides to announce his resignation from OpenAI, citing today's news, after sending a memo internally that he then published on the platform X. Now senior OpenAI researchers resigned three senior AI researchers essentially this is the brain trust that created ChatGPT and OpenAI's main logic all instructed the board that they are preparing to leave. Also. Now, november 18th, an internal member comes on out. It says the COO, brad Lightcap, made the announcement that he was surprised that the management had met multiple times and did not know that Altman was going to be out. So this is the senior management. I think it would be in a senior management of the company itself. Then, november 20th, altman joins Microsoft. Essentially, microsoft sends out a chat on X that says that OpenAI should have consulted Microsoft before firing Sam Altman and essentially Sam Altman and Greg Brockman and other OpenAI senior staff will announce to be joining a new AI division at Microsoft to leave its brand new division, essentially created that day probably, or that Sunday night.

Nathan Mumm: 12:25

Then all of a sudden, board members start publishing on Twitter that they regret the decision to remove Altman and that they're going to do everything they can in power to reinstatement as the CEO. So the board fires him. Then they're going to reinstatement. Then employees threaten to resign nearly 500 employees at the company. It's only a 770 person company. 500 people sign an open document with their names saying that they are going to resign if they don't bring back Altman to run the company. Then Altman and Brockman move to Microsoft's deal. It is not a done deal. Both Altman and Brockman are still open to returning to OpenAI, but now, if they return, they want the remaining board members that let him go and everybody else completely fired and removed so he can then pick his own board.

Nathan Mumm: 13:17

So here's what we have Now. During this time, openai board has been discovered that they went to a rival large language model developer and offered the CEO there to replace Altman. Also, during these events himself, we have found that what happened is Sam Altman is the creator and one of the originators for, essentially, openai. Openai is a non-profit company, not a for-profit company. So what happened is the board members wanted to move the company to a for-profit company and Altman said no, he didn't need to do that, he didn't need the money itself. So his disagreement with his board members were essentially, he was no longer listening to them. He was like giving them the middle finger, saying kiss off, I have nothing to do with you.

Mike Gorday: 14:04

This sounds a lot like a soap opera.

Nathan Mumm: 14:06

It is. So essentially the board members get mad. They have a hissy fit over Sam who's not listening to them, because they want to go public and become rich. A lot of the board members are not well-named board members so if they did go public the company would be worth millions and millions of dollars that they would get to put in their pockets and they'd be taken care of. Altman said no His leadership. They did a two-month investigation to see if they could find any other dirt on Sam Altman to fire him for other reasons at the company itself and what ended up company out of that is essentially that he's kind of a jerk of a guy but he didn't do anything wrong. He's just kind of a jerk type of guy that expects people to work hard your normal, typical CEO of a company and your finger head right.

Mike Gorday: 14:50

Yeah, your Elon Musk type yeah.

Nathan Mumm: 14:52

So you get a little bit crazy. The board then ends up not talking with the investors because it's a nonprofit board. They have to be invested, so people pay money for the board. All of a sudden, sam Altman goes away. Microsoft on Monday announces they're going to hire him. Microsoft's stock shot up over $63 million in profit just by the announcement of bringing on Sam Altman to the company itself, and one day the stock value increases that much by them bringing on to the company itself. Now OpenAI is trying to go back and saying hey, we'd like for you to come on back Now. You gave him a golden staff to say essentially okay, I come on back. I want all the people reinstated that I had previously. So we go back to like there was nothing that happened on Friday and all you board members that were here that decided to get me out of the company itself all of you need to be replaced.

Mike Gorday: 15:46

So he the board members wanted to clean house Yep, and learn that it was a bad idea Yep. And now Altman wants to clean house for him to come back. That's correct.

Nathan Mumm: 15:59

And if he doesn't come back, essentially, microsoft has decided to create a brand new AI division with Sam being the leader. He can be in charge of it and they're going to open up 600 positions in the same area that OpenAI has 600 employees looking to essentially go and work for Sam Altman at a different company.

Mike Gorday: 16:22

Okay, so there's Microsoft. Wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah, so OpenAI is a non-profit, correct? You said the board wants to go. They want to go public, they want to be a for-profit company. Yep, so they fire Altman, correct, then picks him up because they're a for-profit company. Yep, and he's okay with that.

Nathan Mumm: 16:45

Well, yeah, he's, because he can come on in. He can bring out all the people that he had working on AI. It wasn't necessarily that. What he didn't want is, I'm sure, he didn't want his board members, and he wants this price for his AI to be used by the common people. So now, if Microsoft gets it, they're going to put it on GitHub, which is used by common developers all the time. They'll put all that code base in there and essentially we'll just blow up essentially what ChatGPT did for their $20 a month subscription fee per person They'll just move it over to Microsoft. And now Microsoft has the whole brain trust.

Mike Gorday: 17:17

So Microsoft is going to treat it like a non-profit. No, no, they're going to treat it All right, just checking.

Nathan Mumm: 17:21

I'm just checking, but Altman doesn't have a job right now.

Mike Gorday: 17:26

This is one of the problems why I have issues with AI because of this kind of stuff. Right here, okay. Because, first off, we don't know the complete and full stories about what's going on, but it sounds pretty accurate. Okay, you know, it sounds like there's a lot of problems going on. There is, yeah, between human beings.

Nathan Mumm: 17:50

Yeah.

Mike Gorday: 17:50

And the same human beings are the people that are coding.

Nathan Mumm: 17:55

AI to do things Well. I don't think the staff was upset with Altman. I don't think none of the staff asked for him to be replaced. I think it was just the board members that he was kind of giving them the middle finger to and say, hey, you guys are a bunch of idiots, I don't want to deal with you. They were the ones who got upset.

Mike Gorday: 18:09

Yeah, so they said okay.

Nathan Mumm: 18:11

So they said either work with us or don't work with us. We're going to see what happens here.

Mike Gorday: 18:15

So what do you think is going to happen?

Nathan Mumm: 18:19

I think Altman gets to go back to open AI. You think they're going to hire everybody back. They're going to hire everybody back.

Mike Gorday: 18:25

And the board members that wanted them out are going to step down. Yep.

Nathan Mumm: 18:30

What? And then he's going to continue to run the company and have three times more power than he ever had previously, because they decided to do this.

Mike Gorday: 18:38

So what does that mean, though? What does it mean, if he has more control over what direction they take?

Nathan Mumm: 18:44

Well, I don't know if it makes a huge difference, because I think he was already kind of running the company in his direction that he wanted to already, so I don't think that necessarily changes anything. I think what it does is that all these people that he didn't know were against him or didn't like him, essentially he doesn't have to worry about him anymore. So I mean, if you look at that, that's like a dream come true. Right, if you have bad board that you're working with and they get rid of you, all your employees say, hey, I want to continue working with this.

Mike Gorday: 19:11

It depends on what side of the fence you come down on. Obviously, you're an Altman fan.

Nathan Mumm: 19:18

You can't get 500 people to sign a petition, open petition, with their names. That's a big deal. I mean even the first 20 or 30 people.

Mike Gorday: 19:26

Sure, it's a big deal.

Nathan Mumm: 19:27

Because you're just putting it right out there Okay, you can fire me, I want to work for this guy. Okay. So you got 90 plus percent of the company that put their name on there and say, hey, we want to work for this guy. So this is what can happen. If open AI chooses not to bring them back, microsoft is going to buy a building down the street from where they're currently at the headquarters of open AI. They will open a Microsoft campus right there. Altman will have a three minute less commute to go from-.

Mike Gorday: 19:51

So an even bigger dog is going to crush the little dog.

Nathan Mumm: 19:55

Yeah, and then they don't even have to buy the company Because, essentially, they all quit and they all come over there. Microsoft will transfer them over. My guess. I don't necessarily know, but this is what Microsoft does when they buy over companies and want to take over companies. They go to all the employees and say bring us your current rate that you have, bring us your current vacation package that we have. We're going to transfer it right over like nothing ever happened. You've been there at how long in the company? 12 years, great, okay, you got 12 years of history here. We're going to have you go on. Thank you very much. How interesting. Now Microsoft doesn't have to pay all that money for open AI's search algorithm, because they're going to be creating themselves. It's a big story. This is like.

Mike Gorday: 20:37

Steve Jobs being fired from Apple.

Nathan Mumm: 20:40

Yeah, this is what it kind of smells like, but Altman isn't a I mean, he's probably a crummy guy, but he's not a horrible guy, and so all of us people want to work for him. That tells you something.

Mike Gorday: 20:50

Is that-? Well, it doesn't necessarily tell you something about his personality. It just tells you something about his leadership skills.

Nathan Mumm: 20:59

Yeah, that's true, all right, okay, where? Are you done with that one. Yeah, I was excited about that man. This is a good-.

Robert Plotkin: 21:05

Yeah, you're all over that one.

Nathan Mumm: 21:07

This is I gave you the timeline. You can ask me anything you want on this.

Mike Gorday: 21:10

I got it. I don't really need to. It sounds like a big mess to me and it's rife with all kinds of human behavior stuff.

Nathan Mumm: 21:19

There you go that, I can't even comment on. We can talk years and years and years about that.

Mike Gorday: 21:23

I don't think we need to, Okay here you go.

Nathan Mumm: 21:25

Let's go to story number two, bud.

Mike Gorday: 21:27

Well, Elon Musk is in the news again.

Nathan Mumm: 21:29

No way, really Really.

Mike Gorday: 21:31

Oh, and it's not a good thing. What? No, what did he do now? Well, disney, comcast and Apple are all joining together to leave the platform known as X.

Nathan Mumm: 21:45

So Thanksgiving's all about joining together.

Mike Gorday: 21:48

That should be our motto of our story right.

Nathan Mumm: 21:50

People are all joining together.

Mike Gorday: 21:52

Well Thank you. I don't know if you're talking about them joining together to leave X or joining together to I don't know what you mean I'm just saying, well, that we had the employees for open AI the same day.

Nathan Mumm: 22:04

Okay, yeah, okay, let's, let's tell me more about your robbery in kumbaya.

Mike Gorday: 22:07

All right, here we go. What do we got right? So Disney, comcast and Apple are leaving X? Oh, because of anti-Semitism that has been on the On on the platform. Okay, so they're leaving the site Known as X after a new report found that pro Nazi content was appearing next to company ads and Musk himself supported a baseless anti-Semitic conspiracy theory to his 163 million followers. This I don't. I don't know. I don't know all the details, but it sounds like Musk did a another fun tweet where he he spoke before he should have. Yeah, he does that all. He does that all the time, doesn't he? He does it a lot he does it's a hustle.

Mike Gorday: 22:55

Ibm confirmed on Thursday that it is stopping advertising on X, saying the company has zero talents for hate speech and discrimination. European Commission also condemned X promotion of hate speech, confirming during a press briefing on Friday that it would no longer advertise on any social media platform. And this this comes, of course, on the heels of him trying to get money by selling Profiles. Yep, and all the other Whatever yep. As of Saturday morning, disney, comcast, nbc, universal, warner Brothers, lionsgate, paramount Global and Apple had all announced they were pulling ads.

Mike Gorday: 23:33

Okay, after I guess after that happened, must tweeted that X planned to file a lawsuit against media matters on Monday, accusing the group of wrongfully attacking the company's right to free speech. Earlier in the week, must put it. Must posted. You have said the actual truth. In response to a post that claimed Jewish people hold dialectical hatred of white people. The White House was among those who condemned the tweet, with Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates calling in an abhorred promotion of anti-Semitic and racist hate, which runs against our core values as Americans. Jewish advocacy groups have said that allowing hate against Jews to spread on X during an escalating war in the Middle East is especially reckless. Okay, and so there's more. There's more. There's more to this, maybe. Maybe they'll get together. And you know, fire, elon, I don't know this, so have you.

Nathan Mumm: 24:31

Are you a South Park fan? Yeah, have you seen the new Panda verse, the?

Mike Gorday: 24:36

episode. No, I'm not. I'm not current.

Nathan Mumm: 24:38

Oh, you need to watch that. But yeah, you need to watch it. I'll just all say all my listeners out here I'm not a big South Park fan but I don't mind watching South Park but the new Panda verse. If you're not a big Disney supporter and you know, kind of don't like the Marvel movies now and stuff like that, nothing's better than the new South Park. So there you go. That's your watching hours.

Mike Gorday: 24:58

Okay, all right. Well, you know what? What does that have to do with what I just?

Nathan Mumm: 25:01

talked about. Oh, I just, I was just thinking about that because I'm not gonna go to story number three. So story number three, we're out of time. We got a lot going on in story number one, so we are gonna move on now and we are gonna get ready to take a commercial break and when we come on back, we have a special guest that will be joining us from blue shift IP. That's Robert Plotkin. He's one of the co-founders. He's gonna be talking about myths of AI in our Thanksgiving special. You're listening to tech time with Nathan mum. We'll see after this commercial break.

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Nathan Mumm: 26:41

This is your favorite, wasn't it? Welcome back to tech time with Nathan mum. Tech time's a weekly technology show that talks about current technology in a simple format without having to geek out. Brought to you by myself, nathan mum and microday. We just had our first whiskey tasting or in the break. Now we have mark in studio to tell us what are we are sipping for, our pick of the day.

Marc Gregoire: 27:00

Tell us about this mark. Today we brought in Elijah Craig 18 year single barrel. So it is from heaven hill, is from the heaven hill distillery distillery in Bardstown, kentucky. It is a straight bourbon. It's at least 18 years old. It's 90 proof. It is 78 percent corn, 12 percent molted barley and 12 percent or 10 percent rye. Cost is about a hundred and sixty dollars and on the secondary market it goes for roughly around 300.

Mike Gorday: 27:30

Sounds like my kind of mash bill.

Nathan Mumm: 27:31

Yeah, there you go. Okay, Well, what was your first taste of it? It's good, it was pretty you know, I thought you said I was gonna like this thought you weren't gonna like it.

Marc Gregoire: 27:40

It's a little heavy on the wood, a little tannins in there from the wood because it's been in sitting in the barrel 18 years. I thought Mike might really enjoy because he's demonstrated he really likes that woody taste.

Nathan Mumm: 27:51

Well, I think I've been Elijah Craig fan though before, haven't we? I think you're up and down, my up and down, you're up and down, I kind of think consistent.

Marc Gregoire: 27:58

So if it's cheap, you tend to like it the more expensive not so much.

Mike Gorday: 28:03

Okay what is that?

Nathan Mumm: 28:07

We like that thrifty not, so let me tell you what?

Marc Gregoire: 28:10

what they say about it? Okay, so from Elijah Craig's Craig's website, it's bottled solely from the contents of one expertly chosen barrel. So this expression of Elijah Craig is the pinnacle of bourbon craftsmanship bold, robust, incredibly complex. 18 year old presents a rare and unique opportunity to sip some of the oldest bourbon in Kentucky Richly textured, nutty and semi-sweet initial bursts of honey give way to toasted wood and pleasant char, then lingers with vanilla and pepper.

Mike Gorday: 28:39

Yes, all right.

Nathan Mumm: 28:40

Yeah, I taste the pepper part, so I gotta get off quick, so we have time for that.

Marc Gregoire: 28:48

that little Goose at the end of the show, I'll be so excited. Otherwise we're gonna turn into like Matt Damon and Jimmy Kimball, where you're gonna keep promising this episode and then we'll get to it, we're gonna get to the geese.

Nathan Mumm: 29:01

That's right. This is but how he's been pushing that story at least the last five, six meetings. Is it been that?

Mike Gorday: 29:06

long. I don't know that is a three or four.

Nathan Mumm: 29:09

How many meetings have you been pushing that story for? Okay, hopefully.

Nathan Mumm: 29:14

We get to it today, all right. Well, with our first whiskey tasting completed, let's move on to our feature segments. Today we have Robert Plotkin, one of the founders of blue shift IPs, an expert in the intellectual property law and has authorized several articles on the subject. He's recently selected for the 2023 Massachusetts Super Lawyers list for intellectual property law. His book the genie in the machine addresses generative AI Concept. Let's get ready to start our Comcast video stream to start our next segment myth busters Thanksgiving. All right, robert, welcome to the show. Welcome for the Thanksgiving episode. I'd say that this was uniquely different, but this is pretty much all of our episodes. You just don't know what you're gonna get. All the time right, it's everything's a uniquely celebratory show that we do.

Mike Gorday: 30:15

Is that? Is that what you tell yourself? That's why I tell myself you go to bed.

Nathan Mumm: 30:19

All right, so welcome to the show. Now we're gonna go right into some holiday myth busting AI Assumption, so let's get right out of the bag. What are some myths that most people assume about AI?

Robert Plotkin: 30:31

Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I mean, the biggest myth and definitely the biggest fear that people have about AI is that it's going to replace us all and make us obsolete, if not become our overlords. And although it's true and we can't deny that AI is getting better and better, yeah, at performing tasks that only we could do in the past that's been true of every new wave of technology and it probably will make some types of jobs obsolete. But there's at least two ways in which we're all gonna remain Necessary and in demand and I don't think you have to worry about AI doing the next episode of your podcast. The first way is that we all need to learn how to use and leverage AI to become more efficient and effective at what we do. So if you're someone who writes for a living or podcasts, or speaks or consults for a living, now's the time to learn how to use chat, gpt and other AI tools to brainstorm, generate drafts, summarize documents, a work back and forth of it and perform other types of tasks to become better at what you do.

Robert Plotkin: 31:40

And the second reason AI isn't going to make us obsolete is that new technologies like AI always create a demand For new skills, new products, new services. There was no job called web developer, for example, about 30 years ago, and because there was no web and AI is creating demand for people who know how to create new kinds of AI, who know how to set up and command AI, who know how to leverage it to solve problems Better and faster than before. So that's going to continue the way in which AI creates demand for new skills and new services, and it's going to happen in ways we can't even begin to imagine now.

Nathan Mumm: 32:19

All right, so there you go. So, so, mike. Mike's a big skeptic here of AI, so you're gonna have to, by the end of this interview, convince him that he will like AI, right, mike?

Mike Gorday: 32:30

I don't think that's possible Okay all right. It's not about the whether I like it or not. It's about how I see it being used and especially how people will interact with it.

Nathan Mumm: 32:42

Well, let's start off right off with a big question here, robert is AI going to replace human authors, artists and inventors? So, artists, you got all these graphics from Dolly to Mid Journey. That does all this work, and the big thing is out there that people are concerned, that people will lose their jobs, like the author's, artist and inventor. So explain what is your feeling on this.

Robert Plotkin: 33:05

Yeah, I don't think that if you are a really skilled author, artist or inventor, you're going to be replaced, but if you're mediocre at what you do, you need to really start upping your game now, because you're going to face some competitive pressure from AI.

Robert Plotkin: 33:21

But what's also interesting is that if you're not a very good artist at all I'm not a good artist you can use AI tools like you mentioned Mid Journey, dolly and there's others out there to turn you into at least an average artist. That's kind of amazing. I mean, if you use those tools, you can create pretty good artwork just by writing a description of what kind of image you want to create. And if you're on the other end, if you're a like a top tier, professional artist, you can use those same tools, plus all of the traditional art graphics software that's out there to make you even better, to put you like right at the top of your field. So what I'd say is that AI is not going to replace artists, for example, it's going to make it possible for anyone to create art and it's enabling great artists to become super, super great artists, as long as they put the time and effort in. It's the people in the middle who I think might get squeezed out from the bottom and the top and who need to be concerned.

Mike Gorday: 34:21

Yeah you're talking about. You're talking about somebody getting pressure from both sides. Now, Not only are we having pressure from the AI that's creating a downward pressure, so to speak, to perform better, Now we have pressure from people that don't do this regularly using AI to increase the pressure going the other direction. So you're essentially-.

Nathan Mumm: 34:48

So isn't this getting rid of the people that aren't really that good with graphic art, I mean? So that's what I feel like.

Mike Gorday: 34:53

This comes down to competitiveness in general. You're increasing this competitiveness in this section of the population in two directions. Which what is that going to do? I mean it's going to put a lot of people who, yeah, maybe they're mediocre, it's going to put a lot of people out of their skill set because they're being replaced by this new wave of creation.

Nathan Mumm: 35:25

But let's all maybe ask go back to Robert here Aren't those people the mid people that the AI is going to replace? Those people will probably go find other jobs, and if they're the mid levels, wasn't that kind of making it really muddy for the real artists to actually get?

Mike Gorday: 35:37

paid. So we're talking about if you're Joe and you are, I don't know how you see, one of the problems with creativity is that it's subjective. So if you're Joe and you're mediocre by some standard, and then you have AI coming in and putting you out of work, that means you have your whole entire life has just been wiped away and you have to go and you have to reeducate yourself on something else.

Nathan Mumm: 36:11

Okay, yeah, maybe that's exactly. Isn't that a problem? Well, I don't know. Is it better that you get reeducated and always stay out of it? I don't know. I mean, I like to learn all the time.

Mike Gorday: 36:19

I've asked you this question before. But if you know I learn all the time, All right. But if you came, in and AI replaced you your skill set, you would be okay with that even if you couldn't make money doing what you do.

Nathan Mumm: 36:33

I would be a little bit okay with that. All right, you can see Mike really is passionate about AI, so, like a lot of our listeners, are too.

Mike Gorday: 36:41

You're just baiting me right now. No, I'm not baiting you.

Nathan Mumm: 36:43

I'm not Okay. So you're thinking that the human authors, the artists and inventors they're still going to exist, if I got it right, but they're going to either have to be at the real top of their game and no longer in that middle level tier of just kind of floating around, otherwise AI can replace them. Is that what you're saying?

Robert Plotkin: 37:02

Yeah, and I think this is just a continuation of the competitive trends we've seen over the last few decades. That came from things like outsourcing, you know, where people have been competing against the global labor market.

Robert Plotkin: 37:15

This is a continuation of the same trend in that direction. I think it's important to remember that all kinds of automation automates skills. It doesn't automate entire people. So unless your entire job was creating mediocre art, I don't think it's true that you're going to be out of a job. It means you may not be able to generate economic value from doing that one thing, but as long as you have the ability to do other things that have economic value, you'll still be able to do that.

Marc Gregoire: 37:45

All right, that makes sense Okay, all right.

Mike Gorday: 37:47

Next question Well, that's not my biggest concern with it.

Nathan Mumm: 37:49

Okay. So how is AI being used by technology companies to develop new products and services? Let's talk about that.

Robert Plotkin: 37:57

The way that I find most fascinating In addition well, let me just mention one way is that companies can uncover demand for new products and services by having access to data like how customers use their products and services. What people, like, dislike, are satisfied with, dissatisfied with what works well, what doesn't work well. Companies can mine that information to come up with ideas for new products, services, improvements that customers will like and will pay for. So that's one thing. When it comes to actually developing new products and services, ai can be used for that. I'll use drug discovery as an example.

Robert Plotkin: 38:37

It's AI is being used very widely now for drug discovery to perform which you can think of as simulated experiments on massive numbers of possible drugs In a fraction of the time it would have taken to do the same kind of testing in the traditional way, doing real world experimentation. So, in other words, ai is simulating, generating possible drug designs and automating the kind of tedious experimentation that's bogged down human inventors throughout the ages, and it's doing that in all kinds of fields, not just drug design. And I like to say you may remember that Thomas Edison had said a genius is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration. The perspiration was doing all of that tedious experimentation, and AI is automating that 99% of the equation now, and it's freeing up human inventors to focus on the being inspired, coming up with ideas and letting AI do the hard drudgery work.

Mike Gorday: 39:40

Unfortunately Thomas Edison didn't buy into his own thing.

Nathan Mumm: 39:43

Okay, all right. So let's talk about the last thing here. Ai created inventions. Can they be patented, right? So we've talked about this on the show quite a bit also. So if I use AI to create something, maybe I create a storybook, and then I create a storybook and then I try to publish it on Amazon. Well, that's already been done, but let's say, I created some type of an invention. Is there AI creation that can be now patented, so that I can actually get credit for the work that was going on?

Robert Plotkin: 40:09

Absolutely, and the book that you mentioned that I wrote. I actually wrote it back in 2009, when people were already starting to do this in the 1990s, in the 2000s. That book, the Genie and the Machine, was about computer automated inventing, and I provided examples even back then, of inventions that were created using AI that had been patented.

Robert Plotkin: 40:31

Plenty of drugs now being created with the assistance of AI and note that I keep saying with or using or with the assistance of, because in any real world case, you don't just push a button and get AI to generate a new invention there's always significant human involvement, either in creating the AI, configuring it, using which data to feed into it, evaluating its outputs, and there's very often what you can think of as collaboration back and forth between the human and AI. I like to think of humans and AI as partners or collaborators, or to think of AI as a tool that humans use, and throughout history, humans have used all kinds of tools to assist them in generating inventions, and those inventions have always been patentable, and so there's no reason why inventions created with the assistance of AI can't be patented. It's been done plenty of times. I do it for clients all the time, and that will continue to grow. We're going to see more and more inventions created using AI that will be patented.

Nathan Mumm: 41:38

I'll just tell you, my AI stock broker is way better than my Charles Schwab stock broker right now.

Mike Gorday: 41:47

You're just going to go out and say that. I'm just going to say that right now.

Nathan Mumm: 41:50

So maybe you should be replaying it. No, ok, all right, robert, before we go.

Mike Gorday: 41:54

How is it that you're going to argue both sides of the, both sides of the fence, I like that OK.

Nathan Mumm: 41:59

How can people find out more about your book, find out more about your company, and you are essentially a lawyer that helps out with patent AIs, correct?

Robert Plotkin: 42:08

Yeah, I am a patent attorney. I help individuals and companies obtain patents on new types of software, including AI, and on inventions created using AI. I'm at the Law Firm of Blue Shift IP. You can find my book the Genie and the Machine on Amazon. You can follow me on LinkedIn linkedincom Slash in Slash, robert Plotkin. I post there frequently all on topics relating to AI and you can check out our law firm website at blueshiftipcom.

Nathan Mumm: 42:38

All right, thank you so much, robert. Thanks for being a part of the show. Are you OK, mike? You going to?

Mike Gorday: 42:43

be OK. Oh yeah, thanks, robert, appreciate it.

Nathan Mumm: 42:45

That ends our segment Myth Buster Thanksgiving Special. Up next we have this week in technology, so now would be a great time to joy a little whiskey on the side, as we'll be doing a show during the break. See you in a few minutes.

Mike Gorday: 42:57

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Speaker 3: 43:20

And now let's look back at this Week in Technology.

Nathan Mumm: 43:26

Alright, november 19th 2006. Nintendo releases Nintendo Wii. Nintendo released the Wii Game Console to compete with the Sony PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 that overheated by a foregoing raw computer processor for increased player interaction, utilizing the innovative motion sensitive Wii remote controller, the Wii defied the expectations and became the best-selling seventh generation game console. The Wii's original price was very forgiving it was being sold for $249.99, but Nintendo didn't anticipate the success of the Wii, so during the Holiday Times, production rates were lower than they first expected, and it had its all-time sales when it released in November in both America, japan and Europe. The result, though, was that a lot of people were buying these consoles online on eBay and other places for the price of $450 to $500. Does that sound familiar? Oh yeah, I love the Wii. I just can't keep hold of one. You just can't keep hold of one.

Mike Gorday: 44:27

No.

Nathan Mumm: 44:28

It keeps on melting on you, literally yeah, literally this last time. That's right, okay, alright. Well, that was this Week in Technology. If you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history, with over 180 weekly broadcasts spanning three-plus years of video, podcasts and blog information, you can visit techtimeradiocom to watch our older shows or join the Tech Timer Facebook group to talk with us live all the time. We're going to take a commercial break here and when we return, we have Mark's mumble whiskey review and our technology fail the week. See you after the break.

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Speaker 3: 45:32

The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Marc Gregoire: 45:41

Wow.

Nathan Mumm: 45:43

All right, what have we got? What have we?

Marc Gregoire: 45:44

got the most exciting time of the show for you two.

Nathan Mumm: 45:47

It is sometimes.

Marc Gregoire: 45:48

Every time. I listened last week because I wasn't in studio, so that made me sad.

Nathan Mumm: 45:52

We were sad for you not being here. Well, thank you we drank extra, Well, good.

Marc Gregoire: 45:57

And I was listening to it and you guys were like, oh man, we have to do what's today. It's PJ Day, so silly. And then you spent five minutes talking about pajamas and jammies.

Nathan Mumm: 46:07

That's his fault. That's the way we go. You never know what's going to happen.

Marc Gregoire: 46:10

I don't, okay, all right. So what are we celebrating today? So our Alaskan friends will know what today is. Salmon day? No good guess. Is it Gold Rush day? It's close.

Mike Gorday: 46:20

It is an animal kind of Is it the goosey bear?

Marc Gregoire: 46:25

No, it is Alaskatalo day. Alaskatalo, okay, alaskatalo. And what does that? Do you want to explain that I will. It's a funny celebration based on the Alaskan mascot. It's a cross between a moose and a walrus.

Mike Gorday: 46:41

Oh, okay.

Marc Gregoire: 46:42

So the we have those in.

Mike Gorday: 46:44

Arizona and Texas, but they're called jackalopes.

Marc Gregoire: 46:48

Jackalopes yes, you can see some funny pictures of those online, and so the Alaskatalo day parade and Anchorage lasts for around four minutes. It goes down an alley that measures a block. That's because it's too cold. So if you participate in this, you can claim you are part of the longest running, shortest parade in American history. Oh wow, and you wear disguises and you step on Because you don't want to be Ben.

Mike Gorday: 47:14

that sounds like something that Nathan is going to do next time.

Marc Gregoire: 47:19

And if you do, it always starts at the same time. Three minutes past noon. Oh, okay, All right.

Mike Gorday: 47:25

And it lasts for four minutes. Yep, that's the perfect. You can do that during your work break. You can do that during your work break. You can do that during your work break. There you go, there you go. You got to be a disguise. You can wear your costumes.

Nathan Mumm: 47:35

Tell us more about the whiskey, because I'm liking this whiskey, right, because I already gone through it. Wow, but he was really liking it, so tell us what we got.

Marc Gregoire: 47:41

So Elijah Craig was an American Baptist preacher who sometimes he's rather dubiously been credited with the invention of bourbon whiskey.

Mike Gorday: 47:49

Okay.

Marc Gregoire: 47:50

So the Evan Hill markets Elijah Craig, 18 year, by asking, ready to experience some of the oldest bourbon barrels in Kentucky. Well, elijah Craig, 18 year, and Elijah Craig, 23 year, remain the stewards of high age bourbon Now. They used to have yearly releases or they have yearly releases of those, and no other brand matches that track record really of high age bourbon. But at one time they used to have a 20, a 21 and a 22 year single barrel variance, but at this time those are all discontinued. So you just have now the 18 and the 23 on a yearly basis.

Marc Gregoire: 48:25

Now Elijah Craig 18 has its fans. I am now one of them. So now, remember, these are single barrels and they can fluctuate quite a bit, quite a bit. So I've tried three different bottles recently. All were wildly different. One was undrinkable for me, couldn't even really put it down. It was way over oak for me. One was so so and one was fairly enjoyable. Well, luckily that's the one I brought to a party last week to share with friends, but it's still even that it still wasn't my favorite. So, sadly, this bottle way I have here for me was the so so bottle. Now for the money, you remember, if you can find it at cost $160, it's not worth the money, especially for something that varies so much and you don't know whether you're going to have a good bottle or an okay bottle. It's not worth the hunt. So I will be sticking with Elijah Craig barrel proof, which is usually around 12 years, and that is one of my favorite all time bourbons.

Mike Gorday: 49:20

Okay, there you go.

Nathan Mumm: 49:22

I'm kind of liking this, though. Are you liking this?

Mike Gorday: 49:25

Yeah, I already finished mine.

Nathan Mumm: 49:27

Okay, well now, just like a great pairing of fried Brussels sprouts and French onion green beans for Thanksgiving. You're really starting to stretch these. We're going to move on to our technology fail the week. We are out of time. Congratulations, you're a failure.

Mike Gorday: 49:44

Oh.

Speaker 3: 49:46

I failed.

Marc Gregoire: 49:47

Did I yes, did I yes.

Nathan Mumm: 49:50

Did I? Yes, All right. This technology fail comes to us from a listener submitted this on our process to submit emails to us. You all got to send it to info at techtimeradiocom or host at techtimeradiocom. Essentially, this technology fail is the United Health company that uses an AI model that has a historical 90% air rate that denies care.

Mike Gorday: 50:18

Look at there.

Nathan Mumm: 50:19

A lawsuit alleges for the largest health insurer in the US, ai's air rate is like a feature, not a bug. United Health Care, the largest health insurance company in the US, is allegedly using a deep flawed AI algorithm to override doctors' judgments and wrongly deny critical health care to elderly patients. This has resulted in patients being kicked out of rehabilitation programs and care facilities far too early, forcing them to drain their life savings to obtain needed care to be covered under the government-funded Medicare Advantage Plan. This is all according to a lawsuit filed in the US this week at District Court in the District of Minnesota. According to the lawsuit, united Health started using NH predict in at least November of 2019 and is still being used today. When patients and their doctors have requested to see NH predicts reports from the AI, united Health has denied their request, telling them the information is proprietary. According to the lawsuit, when the prescription physicians disagree with United Health's determination of how much post care is needed for the patient, the judgment is just overridden by the AI's decision.

Nathan Mumm: 51:23

The use of the AI is not new to the healthcare industry. While AI chatbots create images and generate grabbing headlines, the healthcare industry has been using AI for over 20 years. Ai uses establishing algorithms racially based in its patient care all the time. Maybe hear that racially based, but what sets the situation apart is that the dubious estimate NH predicts spits out seems to be a future, not a bug, for United Health care. Since United Health care acquired by Navi Health in 2020, former employers have told stats the company who focuses on shifting patient advocacy that they're getting even worse in what they do today. All right, well, now we're going to head into our Mike's mesmerizing moment. This is Mike's mesmerizing moment, presented by StoryCoffee. Visit StoryCoffeecom. All right, so we're going to be talking about the era of green and blue message bubbles on an iPhone versus an Android device. Yeah, okay, this was a big discussion last night.

Mike Gorday: 52:26

Yeah, I don't even know why this is going. Well, I know why it's going on. It's just funny that it's going on, okay, so explain yourself.

Nathan Mumm: 52:34

Essentially, if you are an Android user let's say you're under the age of 30 and you hang out with iPhone users there seems to be a lot of discrimination between the Apple users of a phone versus the Android users of a phone. We have somebody in our staff that's an Android user, a younger individual, and she says that she is struggling because of the envy of the iPhone users saying that she is not at the same level as them because she has Android phone. Now you went off to try to help explain this last night.

Mike Gorday: 53:06

Yeah, I want you to explain this a little bit today. This is a displaced anger. You know, in this whole whole economy of inclusion, we forget that human beings are naturally exclusive. Okay, so we're always looking for differences, because differences mean danger to our primitive brains, and we are trying to overcome that. But there's a lot of anger that and this is just an opinion, right, yep that this unsubstantiated anger is drifting into these smaller scale places where we can discriminate against people based on certain things that we do. The iPhone, android bubble is one of these ways in which we can continue to do our natural human thing of exclusion. And I think there's a lot of displaced anger because we are being forced to kind of think about this idea of inclusion all the time and it's not a natural process for us. It takes work to be inclusive.

Nathan Mumm: 54:22

Okay, all right. Well, you know what? That's why I carry two phones. Yeah, no, geese, I got that. And you know what? We are out of time. We did not get to the geese store, so we're going to have to have that on next week's show. Make sure you listen to next week to get the geese that. What the heck? Well, you know, I know you're excited about that.

Marc Gregoire: 54:40

I guess I am Matt Damon. Thank you so much.

Nathan Mumm: 54:42

All right, what are we going to do for our pick of the day? Let's move there next.

Speaker 3: 54:48

Now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings. Let's see what bubbles to the top.

Marc Gregoire: 54:55

We are drinking Elijah Craig, 18 year old, single barrel. Probably thumbs down for me, but if you really like wood and heavy wood influence, this might be your jam. All right.

Robert Plotkin: 55:04

Thumbs up.

Marc Gregoire: 55:05

Thumbs up.

Mike Gorday: 55:05

Oh do you like that? Yeah, I don't think I have to say anything because You're already gone.

Nathan Mumm: 55:09

I'm already. I already drink all my. It reminds me of thumbs up. I'm going to give it a thumbs up too. You know, that was. It was pretty good.

Mike Gorday: 55:14

I actually liked it a lot, the whiskey drink it's not my flavor profile.

Marc Gregoire: 55:19

All right Now.

Nathan Mumm: 55:20

we didn't get it through the nth and nugget. I'm going to have that on air later, so make sure you look to our stream later.

Speaker 3: 55:25

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